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The No Fap movement is great because it inherently exposes the stupidity and sadness of the the people that preach and practice it. "God I'm pathetic and weak and can accomplish nothing. All I do is crank it. I need to change something in my life to get better." and they decide it was the masturbation that was the core problem with their ennui/loneliness.
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bessantj posted:Hey now let's not try and take on Sargon, he's a fat man with a youtube account who works on nothing but logic, we can't win. agreed, i'm deathly afraid of him revealing the vaudevillian christmas fallacies i'm constantly dropping
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:The No Fap movement is great because it inherently exposes the stupidity and sadness of the the people that preach and practice it. "God I'm pathetic and weak and can accomplish nothing. All I do is crank it. I need to change something in my life to get better." and they decide it was the masturbation that was the core problem with their ennui/loneliness. it kinda seems to me like they're just really, really self destructive and that's actually the core problem if they think taking away the "one thing they do" that actually releases pleasure in the brain is gonna fuckin fix everything oops i mean who needs to crank it when you can just game instead
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:The No Fap movement is great because it inherently exposes the stupidity and sadness of the the people that preach and practice it. "God I'm pathetic and weak and can accomplish nothing. All I do is crank it. I need to change something in my life to get better." and they decide it was the masturbation that was the core problem with their ennui/loneliness. Every addiction is fundamentally an issue of avoiding one's real problems. Even heroin addicts have to confront the problems in their lives that led them to heroin addiction as a means of avoidance and escape, and that's as important--maybe more important--than breaking physiological dependency, which clears up in about a month and just gives you headaches and bad diarrhea.
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business hammocks posted:Every addiction is fundamentally an issue of avoiding one's real problems. Even heroin addicts have to confront the problems in their lives that led them to heroin addiction as a means of avoidance and escape, and that's as important--maybe more important--than breaking physiological dependency, which clears up in about a month and just gives you headaches and bad diarrhea. This definitely isn't always true. I'm pretty sure that evidence points towards some people being biologically predisposed towards finding certain substances addictive, and if you're talking about certain drugs the physiological dependence is enough on its own to prevent recovery. What most lay people don't understand is that the physiological effects (with opioids at least, and I think also benzodiazepines and alcohol) aren't just limited to the acute withdrawal that just lasts several days to a week or so. Long-term addiction can also cause additional physical effects (post-acute withdrawal syndrome) that can last months, if not years, after the drug is discontinued. This is arguably the biggest reason why long-term opiate addicts are so rarely able to become permanently clean. Obviously psychological issues can exacerbate this, but they aren't always present or necessary. Also lol at the idea of describing withdrawal as just "headaches and bad diarrhea." That might be true for really trivial addictions, but the withdrawal from serious addiction is horrifying enough to be a sufficient deterrent on its own, and the more times you experience it the more the memory of it gets drilled into your head.
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Pencils R Cool posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JymtGcDAg-M https://twitter.com/dril/status/134787490526658561?lang=en
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business hammocks posted:Every addiction is fundamentally an issue of avoiding one's real problems. Even heroin addicts have to confront the problems in their lives that led them to heroin addiction as a means of avoidance and escape, and that's as important--maybe more important--than breaking physiological dependency, which clears up in about a month and just gives you headaches and bad diarrhea. Beyond the other stuff mentioned, the idea that mental processes are somehow not physical things is more garbage dualistic thinking. Get rid of it, because these mental processes are nothing but some internal feeling from the physical processes of the brain occurring. Also, these men are not addicted to masturbating, any more than they are addicted to gaming. The actual answer is that they have nothing and are nothing, so use these things to fill their time. The more I see of them, the more a comparison to the hikikomori and grassfed males of Japan is appropriate. Unfortunately, I don't know how you get them to stop at this point. They've already thrown away their youth, and since they're middle class have had 2-3 chances at a do over. You almost have to find a way to direct them into being simply self-destructive so that they stop spreading their cancer to the rest of society.
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https://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/ posted:Mr. G is a very intellectual young man who was an infant prodigy. He has been concerned with general ideas since the age of ten and has one of those minds that can scintillatingly rationalize everything. I have known him for ten years and in that time have heard him enthusiastically explain Marx, social credit, technocracy, Keynesian economics, Chestertonian distributism, and everything else one can imagine. Mr. G will never be a Nazi, because he will never be anything. His brain operates quite apart from the rest of his apparatus. He will certainly be able, however, fully to explain and apologize for Nazism if it ever comes along. But Mr. G is always a “deviationist.” When he played with communism he was a Trotskyist; when he talked of Keynes it was to suggest improvement; Chesterton’s economic ideas were all right but he was too bound to Catholic philosophy. So we may be sure that Mr. G would be a Nazi with purse-lipped qualifications. He would certainly be purged.
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E3 is a-happening so Notch is back on his bullshit from his mountain candy mansion and the newest cyberpunk game is What If Minorities Were The Bad Guys or something so I'm sure we'll be hearing from the usual suspects.
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rkajdi posted:Beyond the other stuff mentioned, the idea that mental processes are somehow not physical things is more garbage dualistic thinking. Get rid of it, because these mental processes are nothing but some internal feeling from the physical processes of the brain occurring. You get them to stop by actually providing them with a hopeful future and investing in growing the prospects of your youth and workers. You just give the homeless homes and you work to eliminate the underlying causes for addiction and mental illnesses that come from a grinding lack of any sort of future or perceived future. Japan and it's "grass-fed males" have been undergoing austerity style politics and a future of soul-crushing dead-end labour for almost 3 decades. They literally have virtually nothing to look forward too in alot of cases. Such is as it is in parts of America, like the dead and dying towns in the rust-belt, where opioid addiction has skyrocketed, and in the United Kingdom as well. Why do you think Corbyn just turned out the youth vote as he did? It's because he provided them with a message that said "we understand your pain and will actually invest in you". Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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Pierson posted:E3 is a-happening so Notch is back on his bullshit from his mountain candy mansion and the newest cyberpunk game is What If Minorities Were The Bad Guys or something so I'm sure we'll be hearing from the usual suspects. what's notch doing now? did a search but couldn't find anything
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being depressed with his money and mansion with a candy room that he outbid beyonce and jay z for after loving over everyone from his company except for the cfo.
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Groovelord Neato posted:being depressed with his money and mansion with a candy room that he outbid beyonce and jay z for after loving over everyone from his company except for the cfo. so he didn't give everybody the $1m severance he said he would in the end?
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Pierson posted:E3 is a-happening so Notch is back on his bullshit from his mountain candy mansion and the newest cyberpunk game is What If Minorities Were The Bad Guys or something so I'm sure we'll be hearing from the usual suspects. I was wondering why eveyone was back to tearing into Notch on Twitter.
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Lovechop posted:what's notch doing now? did a search but couldn't find anything https://twitter.com/notch/status/874107099604688896
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The game he's referring to isn't made by Notch, it's called The Last Night and it's made by a big gamergater. He described the game as being about a future where "progressivism has spiraled out of control." E:^^ Jesus, no wonder no one likes him
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Jun 12, 2017 13:21
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jesus. imagine being set for life and still being this mad. it's actually almost impressive as a side note, wow zoe is swole as gently caress now. hell yeah
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I still can't quite grasp that a dude getting dumped by a small time game dev spiraled so far out of control.
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Jun 12, 2017 13:28
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Crain posted:I still can quite grasp that a dude getting dumped by a small time game dev spiraled so far out of control. It's amazing isn't it. Do you remember when Rebecca Watson made a short comment about how she didn't like men trying to pick her up in elevators and it turned into her getting rape and death threats and Dawkins saying she was the reason female genital mutilation still happens? What a glorious time of pure rationality we live in.
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bessantj posted:It's amazing isn't it. Do you remember when Rebecca Watson made a short comment about how she didn't like men trying to pick her up in elevators and it turned into her getting rape and death threats and Dawkins saying she was the reason female genital mutilation still happens? What a glorious time of pure rationality we live in. That and how prescient this joke diagram was: 
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Kokoro Wish posted:You get them to stop by actually providing them with a hopeful future and investing in growing the prospects of your youth and workers. You just give the homeless homes and you work to eliminate the underlying causes for addiction and mental illnesses that come from a grinding lack of any sort of future or perceived future. Or maybe understand that these guys would have been low value regardless of economic conditions. They have nothing to look forward to because they were middle/lower middle class failsons and squandered the largess they were given to begin with. I'd prefer just to see them fall down the economic ladder to permanent destitution, but like all the rest of the failsons out there they have families with money to parasite off of. But good on you for defending the people this entire thread was set up to mock. I guess "economic uncertainty" makes it okay to be a living filth monster who spread racism, misogyny, and fascism via meme. Even if these guys have cash, they still are the exact same kind of useless loser. Witness all the stuff about Notch (i.e. a channer who lucked into gently caress you money) right above. I don't know about you, but I'd rather people like that have zero odds at success, so their crappiness gets spread around the minimal amount possible.
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aware of dog posted:The game he's referring to isn't made by Notch, it's called The Last Night and it's made by a big gamergater. He described the game as being about a future where "progressivism has spiraled out of control." Oh no really? The trailer looked so loving cool  What a shame
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Crain posted:I still can't quite grasp that a dude getting dumped by a small time game dev spiraled so far out of control. i think it's what happens when you end up having no actual financial/civic motivations to actually get up and do literally anything and end up being a professional reddit poster
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Crain posted:I still can't quite grasp that a dude getting dumped by a small time game dev spiraled so far out of control. You can't? The guys doing this are (rightly) economically dispossessed losers. Gonji was the best case trajectory for their lives. If he's a liar, he's a standard loser who realizes he lost the best relationship he ever had a chance at because he's a trash monster and is raging. If he's telling the truth, he's a sad sack loser who should be laughed at for getting walked on by a obviously better person. The only reason this caught on is because there's a contingent of basement dwelling losers who realize if Gonji is better than they could hope for as a life goal, they are going to die alone surrounded by murder simulators and waifu body pillows. And of course they are white dudes so people have to at least pretend they have value before pushing them into a corner instead of just telling them to know their place and STFU.
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Lovechop posted:jesus. imagine being set for life and still being this mad. it's actually almost impressive I still don't know anything about Gamergate apart from the rampant misogyny and supplementary racism. I mean, I know it ostensibly started with Zoe Quinn and a dickhead ex but most of what I've heard about it relates to Anita Sarkeesian. I just decided to wait for Ms. Quinn's book. I hope everyone is planning to grab that up when it comes out in September. Why is this rear end in a top hat rich, though? Is it from the reactionaries? They give Sargon and Jordan Peterson and others over $100,000 a month so they could conceivably set this bastard up for life too I guess. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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NikkolasKing posted:I still don't know anything about Gamergate apart from the rampant misogyny and supplementary racism. I mean, I know it ostensibly started with Zoe Quinn and a dickhead ex but most of what I've heard about it relates to Anita Sarkeesian. Notch made Minecraft and sold it to Microsoft for billions of dollars. He's set for life but it won't ever make him happy. NLJP posted:Oh no really? The trailer looked so loving cool Yeah, sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
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NikkolasKing posted:Why is this rear end in a top hat rich, though? Is it from the reactionaries? They give Sargon and Jordan Peterson and otehrs over $100,000 a month so they could conceivably set this bastard up for life too I guess. He literally made Minecraft, and cashed out so that he got over a billion. He's since proved that the lottery stereotype doesn't just apply to toothless losers from hill country. It's funny because even with a billion the guy is so awful he can't get a partner on a non-hourly basis. Every person in this thread is probably a more complete human being by a long shot.
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bessantj posted:It's amazing isn't it. Do you remember when Rebecca Watson made a short comment about how she didn't like men trying to pick her up in elevators and it turned into her getting rape and death threats and Dawkins saying she was the reason female genital mutilation still happens? What a glorious time of pure rationality we live in. That's still going on over five years later. I don't even think there's a skeptic movement at all any more, and she still gets daily death threats. Thunderfoot moved on to fixating on Anita Sarkeesian years ago, and hundreds of people post death threats on Rebecca Watson's youtube videos about information literacy. It's insane.
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rkajdi posted:He literally made Minecraft, and cashed out so that he got over a billion. He's since proved that the lottery stereotype doesn't just apply to toothless losers from hill country. It's funny because even with a billion the guy is so awful he can't get a partner on a non-hourly basis. Every person in this thread is probably a more complete human being by a long shot. it started with an assblasted ex and then just over time became an internet wide feminism hate-jerk - it got to the point where milo yabadabadopolis and similar were chiming in on it just because they hate feminism so much, even though they had no real attachment to video games. it was kinda just a shitshow.
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Wait notch is some kind of alt right weirdo instead of just a beardy billionaire shut in weirdo now?
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business hammocks posted:That's still going on over five years later. I don't even think there's a skeptic movement at all any more, and she still gets daily death threats. Thunderfoot moved on to fixating on Anita Sarkeesian years ago, and hundreds of people post death threats on Rebecca Watson's youtube videos about information literacy. It's insane. e: ^^^ I hope his autobiography is called Mein Kraft.
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He's also apparently become a better person, so I'm willing to not poo poo on his game until I actually see some stuff come out that's actually playable. I do know it's 100% off the pre-order possibility, which is sort of the kiss of death for most games given the awful way they are handled now. The hearts that have to be won are the devs and studioes. Regardless of how much the manchild neckbeards want titty/genocide simulator 2020 if no devs are willing to make beside some half-assed asset flippers on Steam, they aren't going to get a AAA version.
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OwlFancier posted:Wait notch is some kind of alt right weirdo instead of just a beardy billionaire shut in weirdo now? It turns out that whether you're dirt poor, middle class or a loving billionare staying cooped up in a house for too long with very little social contact will eventually turn you into a reactionary.
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MiddleOne posted:It turns out that whether you're dirt poor, middle class or a loving billionare staying cooped up in a house for too long with very little social contact will eventually turn you into a reactionary. it's really funny because you know notch and people like him view themselves as the cool outsiders that still have friends but aren't popular
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landgrabber posted:it started with an assblasted ex and then just over time became an internet wide feminism hate-jerk - it got to the point where milo yabadabadopolis and similar were chiming in on it just because they hate feminism so much, even though they had no real attachment to video games. it was kinda just a shitshow. I thought he was talking about notch. That guy made all his money independent of the man-o-sphere types. That's an okay description of Gamergate, though it falls into the trap of putting too much emphasis on top versus the bottom. The leader types are symptom. The cause is the mass of disposable male losers that made up the mob of the movement.
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rkajdi posted:He's also apparently become a better person, so I'm willing to not poo poo on his game until I actually see some stuff come out that's actually playable. I do know it's 100% off the pre-order possibility, which is sort of the kiss of death for most games given the awful way they are handled now. The hearts that have to be won are the devs and studioes. Regardless of how much the manchild neckbeards want titty/genocide simulator 2020 if no devs are willing to make beside some half-assed asset flippers on Steam, they aren't going to get a AAA version. https://mobile.twitter.com/ombrophilia/status/874054576323809280 Not saying it's impossible, but it's weird how him supposedly being a better person only comes up when there might be financial ramifications for his shittyness 
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rkajdi posted:I thought he was talking about notch. That guy made all his money independent of the man-o-sphere types. That's an okay description of Gamergate, though it falls into the trap of putting too much emphasis on top versus the bottom. The leader types are symptom. The cause is the mass of disposable male losers that made up the mob of the movement. the innocents that got wrapped up it were definitely a thing but i feel like they sort of straightened the hell up and were cool by the winter-time a couple months later. the only people yelling about it past that were 4chan board members and leaders, and that was really the case for the majority of it's time - at least from my perspective. i'd imagine now that the only people still talking about GG are the occasional degenerates yelling about it - probably generally on pol or whatever but i guess notch on twitter is one. people who couldn't move past it just silently watch sargon vids and post on reddit.
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rkajdi posted:I thought he was talking about notch. That guy made all his money independent of the man-o-sphere types. That's an okay description of Gamergate, though it falls into the trap of putting too much emphasis on top versus the bottom. The leader types are symptom. The cause is the mass of disposable male losers that made up the mob of the movement. Disaffected male youths who see another group undeservedly receiving advantages and benefits in life that they believed were actually owed to them? Makes sense.
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business hammocks posted:That's still going on over five years later. I don't even think there's a skeptic movement at all any more, and she still gets daily death threats. Thunderfoot moved on to fixating on Anita Sarkeesian years ago, and hundreds of people post death threats on Rebecca Watson's youtube videos about information literacy. It's insane. It's STILL going on? What the gently caress? These people have got to have some problem. How can you care about something so innocuous so long after it happened. I remember after the whole thing kicked off I was reading the Skeptic's Guide to the Universe forum and saw someone post something like "This proves Rebecca Watson wants to destroy all relationships" and I thought it was someone having a joke. A little reading later made me realise he was 100% serious and I didn't go back to that forum for over a year because that's insane.
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