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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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communism bitch posted:Not that I know anything about anything, or have heard anything in any corridors, but recall that the State Opening of Parliament and Queen's Speech was already delayed once because of Theresa May's fit of hubris in calling a GE. Now recall that it's been delayed again because of the massive gently caress up at the GE and ensuing negotiations.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:I hope John Oliver cut him a check with at least 5 zeroes at the end of it for appearing on his shitshow of a program So why do we all hate John Oliver again?
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Jun 12, 2017 17:15
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mehall posted:So the BBC got back to me after my complaint, and it's a doozy: To be fair, it could be they are right. Maybe the met actually has a policy of shooting people at random, and it was just luck that the random selection mechanism happened to pick 3 people who were, entirely coincidentally, currently doing a terrorism.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:16
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mehall posted:So the BBC got back to me after my complaint, and it's a doozy:  Are they seriously saying that an interview two years ago on a different topic is an appropriate response to a present-day terrorist attack?
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Jun 12, 2017 17:18
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mehall posted:So the BBC got back to me after my complaint, and it's a doozy: BBC Trust posted:What if I’m dissatisfied with the BBC's reply? Still waiting on (both of) my non-response(s)
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Jun 12, 2017 17:18
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radmonger posted:To be fair, it could be they are right. Maybe the met actually has a policy of shooting people at random, and it was just luck that the random selection mechanism happened to pick 3 people who were, entirely coincidentally, currently doing a terrorism. The Met does not have an (official) shoot to kill policy.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:20
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not sure if you're joking about harrogate being a sectarian hell because the odd time I've visited there it has put me on edge, there's something distinctly not right about that place. Lovely managed parklands in the stray, though. Great stuff there.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:20
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Regarde Aduck posted:So why do we all hate John Oliver again? Don't hate him but he has an annoying habit of feeling you can't go more than 1 minute without an asburdist non-sequitur. Unfortunately this tends to end up being more like someone quoting Python at you for the nth time rather than being genuinely funny.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:20
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What exactly does "shoot to kill" mean? Because I haven't been able to figure it out. Possibly the most basic rule of firearms safety is that you don't point a gun at something that you don't want to kill. Employment of firearms is lethal force because you operate under the assumption that you will probably kill whoever you shoot. If you aren't in a situation that merits lethal force, you don't use firearms. So what does shoot to kill mean? There is no such thing as shooting to wound in any military or law enforcement organization I've ever heard of except for, like, I think Israel decided that .22LR counts as less than lethal a while back, but I'm disinclined to take the Israeli army/police's opinions about anything as being a good idea. And regardless all our armed plod use proper 9mm SMGs and 5.56 assault rifles which are very definitely lethal. So what the hell does a "shoot to kill policy" mean? The question itself appears to be malformed, if the police are shooting you, they're not concerned whether they kill you, if they are concerned about whether they kill you, they aren't shooting you.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:21
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Regarde Aduck posted:So why do we all hate John Oliver again? Can't speak for the thread but its not so much John Oliver himself that sucks, but the people who think that his smug liberal put downs do literally anything at all to curb the horrifying nightmare that is all western politics. We're mostly getting sick of headlines stating that "THIS John Oliver segment will stop Donald Drumph in his TRACKS" and this idea that being smart and the bigger man will help you win at politics. Honesty I get the same thing from Jonathan Pie.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:22
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Tesseraction posted:That's Justine Greening... So it is.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:22
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OwlFancier posted:What exactly does "shoot to kill" mean? If this is a genuine question, "shoot-to-kill" means "Shoot suspects without attempting to arrest them, even if they currently present no danger to the public".
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Jun 12, 2017 17:23
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MrL_JaKiri posted:If this is a genuine question, "shoot-to-kill" means "Shoot suspects without attempting to arrest them, even if they currently present no danger to the public". What kind of idiotic idea is that?
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Jun 12, 2017 17:24
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OwlFancier posted:What kind of idiotic idea is that? One that we used in Northern Ireland
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Jun 12, 2017 17:24
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OwlFancier posted:What exactly does "shoot to kill" mean? The UK doesn't (currently) have a shoot to kill policy, it has a reasonable force policy. Obviously killing active terrorists is reasonable force. A shoot to kill policy in this context means extra-judicial executions of terror suspects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoot-to-kill_policy_in_Northern_Ireland
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Jun 12, 2017 17:25
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OwlFancier posted:What kind of idiotic idea is that? A Tory one.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:25
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MrL_JaKiri posted:One that we used in Northern Ireland That doesn't really refute my assertion that it's idiotic.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:25
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Yeah it was used against the IRA, most famously when we assassinated some in Gibraltar. It is literally the authorisation of assassinations in the middle of our streets and if it was reported as such people may agree with Corbyn more.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:25
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^^^ wasn't this direct blowback from that too? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milltown_Cemetery_attack works great  Regarde Aduck posted:So why do we all hate John Oliver again? John Oliver's a good guy when he's not going "NO JANET! I SAID NO! NO JANET YOU DO NOT GET ICE CREAM!" over and over in the middle of an exposé about America's incarceration of poor people or whatever. Honestly we could do with some shows like that here to get people more politically engaged I don't know who these 4chan youtube superstars are because why would you intentionally watch any of that
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Jun 12, 2017 17:25
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Are you seriously telling me people are getting their knickers in a twist because the police aren't currently shooting anyone they think is suspicious?
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Jun 12, 2017 17:26
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baka kaba posted:John Oliver's a good guy when he's not going "NO JANET! I SAID NO! NO JANET YOU DO NOT GET ICE CREAM!" over and over in the middle of an exposé about America's incarceration of poor people or whatever. Yeah it's that bit that pisses me off. He's more than capable of being funny without doing those and it often is a detriment to the narrative of the segment. NO JOHN. I SAID NO. YOU DO NOT GET TO KEEP DOING THIS BIT TO DEATH.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:26
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Regarde Aduck posted:So why do we all hate John Oliver again? he tried to make drumpf a meme edit: the dreaded vote of confidence https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/874301680409600000
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Jun 12, 2017 17:27
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OwlFancier posted:Are you seriously telling me people are getting their knickers in a twist because the police aren't currently shooting anyone they think is suspicious? Ah you must be from a sane country. Welcome to Britain.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:27
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At the 1922 Committeequote:Asked if May said sorry, the MPs said her argument was that she got the party into this mess, and she will get it out No! Dig UP stupid! 
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Jun 12, 2017 17:27
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OwlFancier posted:Are you seriously telling me people are getting their knickers in a twist because the police aren't currently shooting anyone they think is suspicious?
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Jun 12, 2017 17:27
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I thought it was some argument about the police should try to arrest people who are running around with knives instead of shooting them, which is a debate you can at least have even though I would probably err on the side of no that's what armed plod are for. Not that the police should just shoot anyone they think looks a bit dodgy for fucks sake because that would seem to be self evidently stupid.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:28
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"Shoot to kill" in the public mind is like what happened weekend before last rather than being a specific term associated with extrajudicial killings in Gibraltar.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:29
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OwlFancier posted:Are you seriously telling me people are getting their knickers in a twist because the police aren't currently shooting anyone they think is suspicious? No they're getting their knickers in a twst because they've been misled into thinking that shoot to kill meant what you thought it had meant.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:29
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baka kaba posted:^^^ wasn't this direct blowback from that too? Sargon himself is funny because he's such a dipshit. The guy stupid beyond belief. Almost can't dress himself dumb and out of his depth when it comes to any actual politics. It's when you see hundreds of thousands watch him and look to him for "correct thinking" that it gets depressing.
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OwlFancier posted:I thought it was some argument about the police should try to arrest people who are running around with knives instead of shooting them. Not that the police should just shoot anyone they think looks a bit dodgy for fucks sake because that would seem to be self evidently stupid. Only kills Irish and duskies, so no harm done. It's like nuking people, only hits other countries to drop a nuke ye big jesse.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:30
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jBrereton posted:People are getting their knickers in a twist because the implication being made was that Jeremy Corbyn would ask the police to calmly and politely arrest jihadis on a rampage. Need more 'proper policemen' to fight these ragheads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwYxkZ9jTvk
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Jun 12, 2017 17:30
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Regarde Aduck posted:Sargon himself is funny because he's such a dipshit. The guy stupid beyond belief. Almost can't dress himself dumb and out of his depth when it comes to any actual politics. It's when you see hundreds of thousands watch him and look to him for "correct thinking" that it gets depressing. It's amazing how consistently he owns himself and doesn't realise because his legion of 14 year old boys continue to adore him regardless as long as he promotes right-wing views.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:31
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OwlFancier posted:Are you seriously telling me people are getting their knickers in a twist because the police aren't currently shooting anyone they think is suspicious? OwlFancier posted:I thought it was some argument about the police should try to arrest people who are running around with knives instead of shooting them, which is a debate you can at least have even though I would probably err on the side of no that's what armed plod are for. Not that the police should just shoot anyone they think looks a bit dodgy for fucks sake because that would seem to be self evidently stupid.
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Tesseraction posted:Yeah it's that bit that pisses me off. He's more than capable of being funny without doing those and it often is a detriment to the narrative of the segment. The American market needs its political satire leavened with some sillier poo poo because they dumb. Although I dunno I guess that's what Paul Merton's always been there for on HIGNFY?
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Jun 12, 2017 17:31
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But what about the reporters who keep asking the question, do they understand what they're asking because afaict they just keep asking this dumb nonesense question because they don't know what it means but they know what answer they like the sound of.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:32
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OwlFancier posted:Are you seriously telling me people are getting their knickers in a twist because the police aren't currently shooting anyone they think is suspicious? No. They don't know what it means and the media, including the BBC, refuses to clear it up. The public all think Corbyn wants to remove the ability for the police to shoot anyone ever.
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Jun 12, 2017 17:32
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OwlFancier posted:But what about the reporters who keep asking the question, do they understand what they're asking because afaict they just keep asking this dumb nonesense question because they don't know what it means but they know what answer they like the sound of. 
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Jun 12, 2017 17:34
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OwlFancier posted:Are you seriously telling me people are getting their knickers in a twist because the police aren't currently shooting anyone they think is suspicious? People know the police have the power to shoot people with intent to kill them in certain circumstances, like in the London attack. Corbyn was asked a question about something else (effectively expanding those powers in the way you said), but it was presented as 'Corbyn wants to remove those powers so the police can't shoot anyone anymore' It relies on people not understanding the context and jumping to the most obvious, opposite conclusion. Which is what makes the BBC poo poo even worse - you can understand his enemies misleading people about what his position is, but the news is meant to inform and should have made it explicitly clear what he was talking about, and what his opinions are about reasonable force in ongoing situations like Paris
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WeAreTheRomans posted:The American market needs its political satire leavened with some sillier poo poo because they dumb. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2z-AdzgKjY
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