UKMT General Elextravaganza 2017: Lord Buckethead would have won

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Labour	907	49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative)	48	2.64%
Liberal Democrats	31	1.71%
UKIP	13	0.72%
Plaid Cymru	25	1.38%
Green	22	1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party	12	0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party	1	0.06%
Scottish National Party	59	3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist	4	0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian	3	0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist	36	1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots	35	1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash	8	0.44%
Monster Raving Loony	49	2.70%
Space Navies Party	39	2.15%
Independent / Single Issue	2	0.11%
Can't Vote	188	10.35%
Won't Vote	8	0.44%
Spoiled Ballot	15	0.83%
Pissflaps	312	17.17%
Total:	1817 votes

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jabby: Oct 27, 2010

Some actual truth seems to be dribbling out over the raucous fake applause of the 1922 committee:

https://twitter.com/smashmorePH/status/874332258672443396
https://twitter.com/smashmorePH/status/874332428336340992

Looks like their plan is to keep her in office and fake obsequious loyalty and support in the meantime, on the basis that all other parties are going to be clamouring for another election but if they change leader the public are going to join in.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:51

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# ? May 17, 2024 13:47

Captain Fargle: Feb 16, 2011

Honestly what I'm picking up from this whole discussion is that the FTPA means we might actually be stuck with this crap for five years.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:55

Aurubin: Mar 17, 2011

Ludicro posted:

Sorry I should specify this was my parents house. I moved back a few years ago after my relationship broke down and I lost my flat, since then I bounced back, met my current girlfriend and have spent a few days a week there while we house hunt as it's a 20 minute walk from work rather than a 37 mile drive.

Basically she started arguing with me almost as soon as I came through the door (I'd been staying with my girlfriend since Thursday as usual). Tried to avoid the discussion as I know it never ends well, but ended up responding as she seemed convinced that the Tories won, Labour lost, and that all "you young people" voted for Corbyn because we wanted free handouts. She blew her top when I commented that the Tories view the sick and disabled as scroungers (she is disabled) and screamed at me repeatedly to pack my stuff and get out.

Luckily I was able to go back to my girlfriends place which is where I am now. Bit of a shock tbh.

In the US the Republicans are trying to ram through a bill that will basically dismantle what few steps we took towards socialized healthcare under Obama. There's a story in the NYT talking to Kentucky voters, many of them who only have affordable healthcare because of the ACA. They still trust their local rep, Hal Rogers, who voted to eliminate their healthcare because "He must know what he's doing."

Beyond the fact that of course you can find a diehard for any political cause if you look hard enough, the real lesson is that people vote for how they perceive the candidate/party. It sounds like your mother is in a similar state of denial. "They won't take away my benefits, only those who don't deserve them!"

# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:56

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

Tories seem to be getting real desperate. I don't really think that they're going to be able to sell a PM who has obviously lost all authority to the public even if they try to act all loyal.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:57

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

communism bitch posted:

13,411 supporters
1,589 needed to reach 15,000

Social media. It'll have been around fash facebook and fash reddit.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:57

ThomasPaine: Feb 4, 2009; We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Captain Fargle posted:

Honestly what I'm picking up from this whole discussion is that the FTPA means we might actually be stuck with this crap for five years.

There's a non-zero chance that she fails to pass a queen's speech tbh. I can see some Tories walking over the DUP arrangement.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:58

Skinty McEdger: Mar 9, 2008; I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!

Looking at the whispers as what seems likely to make it on to the Queen's speech, they seem to be looking at Brexit, terrorism and... social care reforms.

All of the press stuff seems to be gone. Which I can't imagine the Mail will be happy about.

Captain Fargle posted:

Honestly what I'm picking up from this whole discussion is that the FTPA means we might actually be stuck with this crap for five years.

It was introduced by the Lib Dem coalition gov to try and ensure it couldn't collapse within 5 years. This is pretty much it's entire purpose, to make it harder for weak gov's to fall.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:58

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Looke posted:

My boy Rees-Mogg with the real news

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/17/vellum-laws-parliament-paper-costs?CMP=fb_gu

vellum is cool and good and paper is not.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:00

learnincurve: May 15, 2014; Smoosh

CestMoi posted:

Everyone please remember to sign the petition to investigate Labour's electoral fraud, because students have 2 places they can sign up, so they obviously voted twice. We need to deliver this petition to the Sun newspaper.

https://www.change.org/p/uk-electoral-commission-labour-general-election-fraud-2017

Can I just say truly deeply from the bottom of my heart that I hope that anyone who signs this drowns in a big vat of syphilitic dicks marked "gently caress off you Tory scum"

Thank you.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:01

Private Speech: Mar 30, 2011; I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.

JFairfax posted:

vellum is cool and good and paper is not.

Either way it's so cheap that seriously who gives a toss.

Might bring in more in tourism revenue for being part of "quaint Britain" image.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:02

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

Looks like the Tories are suddenly all for benefits??

https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/874302940680511490

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:02

Captain Fargle: Feb 16, 2011

ThomasPaine posted:

There's a non-zero chance that she fails to pass a queen's speech tbh. I can see some Tories walking over the DUP arrangement.

I have a very hard time believing enough Tories will defect to get a 2/3rds majority.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:03

Skinty McEdger: Mar 9, 2008; I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!

The foodbanks are stocked with foie gras tonight.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:03

ThomasPaine: Feb 4, 2009; We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Captain Fargle posted:

I have a very hard time believing enough Tories will defect to get a 2/3rds majority.

Queen's speech only needs 51% iirc. It's a formal recognition that a PM holds the confidence of the house (which is why a 51% majority is considered a 'win' in the election and why the DUP are needed in the first place).

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:05

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

Captain Fargle posted:

I have a very hard time believing enough Tories will defect to get a 2/3rds majority.

It only takes 50% for a Queen's speech to fail.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:05

Captain Fargle: Feb 16, 2011

ThomasPaine posted:

Queen's speech only needs 51% iirc. It's a formal recognition that a PM holds the confidence of the house (which is why a 51% majority is considered a 'win' in the election and why the DUP are needed in the first place).

So we need ten Tory defectors? You think it's likely that we'll get that many?

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:08

vegetables: Mar 10, 2012

I thought there was a fund especially for MPs who lost their seats; did I just imagine that?

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:08

Intrinsic Field Marshal: Sep 6, 2014; by SA Support Robot

baka kaba posted:

It always feels like a contractual requirement to keep the stoner college students on board. I've seen bits where he seems genuinely angry about the issue he's talking about, and then he has to visibly grit his teeth and do the LOL PHOTOSHOP bit before he can get back to the actual important stuff

Samantha Bee is better at the acidic humour thing but it's weird that the US has multiple 'look at this terrible poo poo in politics/social issues but with humour' shows and we just get comedy panel shows

http://www.slate.com/blogs/schooled/2016/06/17/the_upper_west_side_is_new_york_s_latest_school_integration_battleground.html

quote:

New York City has an integration problem. This is nothing new, of course; the supposedly most diverse city in the world has long had some of the most segregated schools in the country, and that�s saying something.

In recent months, the city�s battle over school segregation has played out in a few specific schools in some of the its fastest-gentrifying (or already gentrified-to-saturation-point) neighborhoods: Nikole Hannah-Jones chronicled the Brooklyn version of the saga in her much-discussed New York Times Magazine piece last weekend, �Choosing a School for My Daughter in a Segregated City,� about her decision to send her black daughter to a mostly minority school, only to have that school rezoned to include an affluent, predominantly white population.

The Upper West Side is another place where the �rights� of rich parents are being pitted against the reality of the neighborhood�s demographics. The current battleground is the sought-after P.S. 452 on West 77th Street, a stone�s throw from the Museum of Natural History.

Like so many public schools in New York City, P.S. 452 has a lopsided enrollment, with a population that�s three-quarters white and Asian, with only 13 percent of kids qualifying for free lunch, in a district that�s 43 percent white and Asian and 48 percent low-income, according to a Chalkbeat story on the brewing controversy.

P.S. 452, which opened in 2010 to relieve overcrowding in other nearby sought-after schools, quickly became overcrowded itself. And so the city proposed moving the school, which currently shares a building with two other schools, 16 blocks south, to a site with more space that happens to be just adjacent to large housing projects. In one swoop, the city could solve the school�s capacity problem while improving its diversity.

But of course, in an as-if-scripted repetition of the integration fights that have gone down since the birth of busing, many current P.S. 452 parents are up in arms against the proposal. After all, didn�t they buy their expensive Upper West Side domiciles precisely for the right to attend this fabulously high-performing school? That, at least, is the argument getting the most airtime.

Bill de Blasio, the great white hope of progressivism when he was elected�the guy who�s married to a black woman, after all�has stumbled when it comes to integrating schools, on the Upper West Side and elsewhere. From the Chalkbeat story:

The mayor has expressed support for school diversity, but he also has said the city must respect parents� real-estate investments (a statement that at least one P.S. 452 parent repeated this week), while Chancellor Carmen Fari�a has warned against forcing integration �down people�s throats.�
Fari�a�s line about forcing integration down people�s throats is almost laughable, for what else is the whole history of integration in this country but one of force-feeding, often in the form of landmark Supreme Court decisions?

P.S. 452�s principal and many of its teachers are on board with the rezoning proposal, as are some parents. �There�s more support among parents than is generally acknowledged,� one P.S. 452 parent who favors the rezoning told me, �but those folks have been less organized and less vocal. There�s also been a fair amount of vitriol that has divided parents on the issue and hasn�t left a lot of room for nuance,� he said. �When parents blast the principal and faculty for lack of understanding because some do not have children themselves, it�s hard to pursue a civilized conversation and find common ground.�

�Truth be told, I like the school where it is,� this parent said. The school�s relocation would increase his family�s morning commute�one of the anti-rezoning contingent�s biggest arguments against the move�but, he said, �the needs of the community outweigh my own personal convenience.�

One P.S. 452 parent speaking out against the move is comedian and former Daily Show correspondent Jason Jones, who�s married to Samantha Bee. "To portray any opposition as classist or racist is as bad as it can get," Jones told WNYC. And elsewhere: "We are not divided,� he said at a public hearing about the proposal, �we are absolutely united in wanting what's best for our children," then encouraged fellow parents not to talk to the press about the controversy.

So what�s going to happen? If precedent is any guide, the well-organized�and well-heeled�parents of P.S. 452 will likely win the day. Last year, a similar drama went down in the neighborhood when the city proposed changing the attendance zones so that some of the kids at the overcrowded (and also mostly white and middle-class) P.S. 199 would be reassigned to the under-enrolled (and also mostly minority and poor) P.S. 191.

An uproar ensued, and the city eventually tabled the rezoning plans, proposing instead a labyrinthine solution that lands P.S. 452 in the building that currently houses P.S. 191. Now that P.S. 452 parents have rejected this compromise, what�s the city going to come up with next?

Do as I say not as I do

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:10

cormac: Dec 18, 2005

Fans posted:

or the DUP saying something completely unconscionable

12th of July it is then!

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:10

Borrovan: Aug 15, 2013; IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY

lol, BBC News right now (re 1922 Committee): "PM described as 'strong and purposeful'".
"Well guys, 'strong and stable' was a total bust, we need to change tac... any ideas?"

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:11

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

Captain Fargle posted:

So we need ten Tory defectors? You think it's likely that we'll get that many?

Just seven I believe.

It's unlikely at this early stage. The real test will be when May wants to get actual legislation through, and her backbenchers know she has nothing to punish them with if they rebel or threaten to rebel. Then once government becomes a farce, with every vote hanging on a knife edge and major concessions to the DUP, we only need seven people in relatively safe seats to think 'gently caress this, I'd rather be in opposition' to collapse the government.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:11

Intrinsic Field Marshal: Sep 6, 2014; by SA Support Robot

Futuresight posted:

The Clintons were "dead broke" after Bill got out of the presidency too.

Its a good thing the Saudis stepped into help :smuggo:

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:14

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

communism bitch posted:

I've never seen an Orange march because (thank god) I live in the Home Counties where people are far too civilised and refined for such gauche provincialism.

I passed two guys on their way to one. Some fat cunts in a lovely uniform drinking buckfast in the street and goading the Muslim woman across the road from them.

I go right up to them and I say "Good Morning, Officer".

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:16

Lord Ludikrous: Jun 7, 2008; Enjoy your tea...

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

That kind of thing is unfortunately what happens when people who've bought whole hog into the right wing narrative get smacked in the face with reality. Cognitive dissonance translates into panic anger.

Sorry man.

Luckily my girlfriend has been amazing so its not the end of the world, and truth be told I've probably overstayed my welcome anyway. My sister has also been very supportive and my dad is furious about the whole thing.

Problem is she spends so much time on Facebook reading the absolute garbage right wingers put up and has no idea how parliament works. It's frustrating.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:16

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

how can the Tories possibly be unintelligent. Many of them are upper class, which makes them our betters

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:16

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/874344586767814656

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:18

Red Bones: Aug 9, 2012; "I think he's a bad enough person to stay ghost through his sheer love of child-killing."

TheRat posted:

Looks like the Tories are suddenly all for benefits??

https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/874302940680511490

Hopefully Julian Brazier is facing enough financial problems that he has to sell his car, so he can't kill anyone else with it

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:20

Joda: Apr 24, 2010; When I'm off, I just like to really let go and have fun, y'know?; Fun Shoe

Angepain posted:

how can the Tories possibly be unintelligent. Many of them are upper class, which makes them our betters

Which is why eugenics should have been given a chance!

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:20

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

TheRat posted:

https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/874344586767814656

An apology or them just explaining how stupid they are and how they're now questioning the universities that apparently educated them would be nice.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:21

BigHandsVince: Mar 30, 2007; Mamma Mia, my hands are huge!

I need to apologise to Forkboy, he forced me to reconsider my options for this election. I ended up voting for the Labour candidate because of Corbyn, even though the odds were like 6:1 of her winning.

She overturned a 10,000 majority and won it. Tory vote here doubled since 2015.

Anyone know why Coburn contested Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath?

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:21

R. Mute: Jul 27, 2011

It's gonna be real funny that Corbyn couldn't turn around without having his leadership challenged when May can gently caress up as massively as she did here and somehow survive.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:21

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

Little Timmy is mad

https://twitter.com/montie/status/874341324295737344

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:21

Intrinsic Field Marshal: Sep 6, 2014; by SA Support Robot

TheRat posted:

https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/874344586767814656

Why is the man being crushed by big Majhong pieces

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:22

Skinty McEdger: Mar 9, 2008; I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!

Wait the DUP only attends Westminster for a day and a half a week?

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:22

ThomasPaine: Feb 4, 2009; We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Captain Fargle posted:

So we need ten Tory defectors? You think it's likely that we'll get that many?

There are more than ten Catholic/lgbt Tories

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:23

Acaila: Jan 2, 2011

BigHandsVince posted:

I need to apologise to Forkboy, he forced me to reconsider my options for this election. I ended up voting for the Labour candidate because of Corbyn, even though the odds were like 6:1 of her winning.

She overturned a 10,000 majority and won it. Tory vote here doubled since 2015.

Anyone know why Coburn contested Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath?

Fife goon?

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:25

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Skinty McEdger posted:

Wait the DUP only attends Westminster for a day and a half a week?

Can't do Sundays, March days, or Saints' days (when they throw rocks at a bishop).

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:25

Firos: Apr 30, 2007; Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism

TheRat posted:

https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/874344586767814656

Polly Toynbee posted:

Expect an amusingly brief Queen�s speech for lack of much to agree on: most items in the �worst manifesto in history� are toast. There are schadenfreude delights to relish: with no majority, the Salisbury convention � whereby the Lords let through anything in a government�s manifesto � is out. Peers will be bloody-minded over every Brexit detail, with no Henry VIII powers passing them by.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:26

BigHandsVince: Mar 30, 2007; Mamma Mia, my hands are huge!

Acaila posted:

Fife goon?

Indeed, everything's a little backward but it suits me.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:27

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# ? May 17, 2024 13:47

Captain Fargle: Feb 16, 2011

ThomasPaine posted:

There are more than ten Catholic/lgbt Tories

Yes but are the angry enough at the DUP to be willing to give up being in power? That's the question.

# ? Jun 12, 2017 20:30

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