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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Red Bones posted:Hopefully Julian Brazier is facing enough financial problems that he has to sell his car, so he can't kill anyone else with it I believe you'll find that any one hit by a distraught Brazier driving down the wrong side of the road at a remarkable speed coming up to a sharp corner would probably turn out to have possibly been speeding, have a badly fitted helmet, was probably a socialist and almost certainly was asking for it. Just based on past form.
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I've always really liked the idea of a UKMT podcast, but instead of being strictly UKMT it should be assorted maoist third worldists from the various country threads sharing the hosed up poo poo that happened in their corner of the world each week. There's always funny and obnoxious poo poo going on all over the place.
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Deptfordx posted:Yes. Churchill famously changed parties twice, and there have been numerous more recent examples. This is a magical sequence (format is year, name, original party, new party, reason) 1810 Charles Wiliams-Wynn Whig -> Tory Tried to create a third political party, failed and joined the Tories. 1828 Charles Wiliams-Wynn Tory -> Whig Was not offered a position in Government. 1834 Charles Wiliams-Wynn Whig -> Tory Offered position in Government
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Jun 12, 2017 21:21
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forkboy84 posted:I'm just jealous you had a Labour candidate worth voting for. She was a local Councillor since 2012, to be honest I still don't know a whole lot about her, but she seems to be doing a good Job. I have a severe dislike of the old guard of Scottish Labour due to some things that happened to a friend of mine. The candidate here did not appear to have any links to the insidious and nepotistic side of the party that I'm against, so I figured she was worth a shot.
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Jun 12, 2017 21:22
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Jesus Christ, if this thing from the BBC blog is true:quote:Robert Halfon has told the Press Association that he "wasn't really given a reason" for his dismissal from government and it had been an "honour" to serve. *immediately sacks a guy because his friend was mean to her*
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Jun 12, 2017 21:25
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Angepain posted:Someone defected at the last election from the SNP to the Scottish Greens in the Scottish Parliament and kept a seat, but then we have a voting system that doesn't totally blow chunks so Technically while he was a member of the Greens he was an independent at Holyrood. John Finnie is good & I'm glad he was re-elected as a Green. Jippa posted:I subbed to the new statesmen podcast fans. They are great and I really enjoyed election ep. Are there any other political casts that are cool? Just listen to Chapo Trap House. Owen Jones & Ellie Mae O'Hagan are generally good eggs as far as UK journos go & they have a podcast, but I've only listened to one episode where they had Josie Long on. Seemed fine but I like Josie so YMMV. I dunno, most of the podcasts I listen to are history or sports related.
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Jun 12, 2017 21:27
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Yeah Chapo is always good for a bit of a laugh and chronic irony poisoning. The (obviously) spend a lot of their time on US topics, though.
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Jun 12, 2017 21:32
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So does anything at all that the British Parliament does require greater than a simple majority?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:So does anything at all that the British Parliament does require greater than a simple majority?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:So does anything at all that the British Parliament does require greater than a simple majority? Thanks to parliamentary sovereignty no parliament can bind a future parliament, so even if you pass some legislation saying you need a super-majority to do something you can undo the original legislation with a simple majority (see: the FTPA).
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Jun 12, 2017 21:38
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jabby posted:Thanks to parliamentary sovereignty no parliament can bind a future parliament, so even if you pass some legislation saying you need a super-majority to do something you can undo the original legislation with a simple majority (see: the FTPA). What if you pass something that says it requires a supermajority to repeal it?
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Jun 12, 2017 21:45
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Zephro posted:Under the Fixed Term Parliament Act one way to trigger an early election is with a 2/3rds vote (the other is with a no-confidence vote). On the other hand, you can repeal the FTPA with 50%+1 just like every other Act. Also the idea that the opposition wouldn't vote for an election is ridiculous so it makes it meaningless anyway.
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Tesseraction posted:What if you pass something that says it requires a supermajority to repeal it? Not allowed, you can't bind future parliaments and this includes making it more difficult to repeal things.
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Jun 12, 2017 21:46
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Tesseraction posted:What if you pass something that says it requires a supermajority to repeal it? Then you repeal the part (or make a new law that supersedes) that requires the supermajority with a 50%+1 vote, and then have your 50%+1 vote to repeal the rest.
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Corrode posted:This is a magical sequence (format is year, name, original party, new party, reason) I liked this one (all in a row in the table): 1935 Katharine Stewart-Murray, Duchess of Atholl Conservative Independent Resigned Whip over the India Bill and the "socialist tendency" of the government's domestic policy. 1935 Katharine Stewart-Murray, Duchess of Atholl Independent Conservative 1937 Katharine Stewart-Murray, Duchess of Atholl Conservative Independent Resigned Whip over Anglo-Italian Agreement 1937 Katharine Stewart-Murray, Duchess of Atholl Independent Conservative 1938 Katharine Stewart-Murray, Duchess of Atholl Conservative Independent Resigned a third time, this time to stand as an Independent in opposition to Neville Chamberlain's policy of appeasement of Adolf Hitler Incidentally, never knew Nye Bevan got expelled!
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Jun 12, 2017 21:47
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Tesseraction posted:What if you pass something that says it requires a supermajority to repeal it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_sovereignty#United_Kingdom quote:The doctrine of parliamentary supremacy may be summarized in three points:
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Do NOT listen to dan carlin's political podcast, repeat do NOT listen to it just download as many hardcore history episodes as you can. Sincerely an American. Ps if I posted "up the RA" on Facebook would it offend my cute British roommate whom I am hoping to hook up with?? Thanks
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Darth Windu posted:Do NOT listen to dan carlin's political podcast, repeat do NOT listen to it just download as many hardcore history episodes as you can. Sincerely an American. Ps if I posted "up the RA" on Facebook would it offend my cute British roommate whom I am hoping to hook up with?? Thanks
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Jun 12, 2017 21:49
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:So does anything at all that the British Parliament does require greater than a simple majority?
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Jun 12, 2017 21:49
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Just hurry up and collapse the government already. I need my fix. TIA, Fargle.
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Jun 12, 2017 21:51
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The FTPA is such a pointless piece of legislation.
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Jun 12, 2017 21:51
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Darth Windu posted:Do NOT listen to dan carlin's political podcast, repeat do NOT listen to it just download as many hardcore history episodes as you can. Sincerely an American. I really enjoy how he is wrong about everything always. Hardcore History is my real jam though yeah.
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Jun 12, 2017 21:52
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jBrereton posted:It would make them roll their eyes at yet another plastic. IDk what that means. I also have a southern Irish roommate who might think I'm cool for posting it? Idk
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Jun 12, 2017 21:52
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Darth Windu posted:IDk what that means. I also have a southern Irish roommate who might think I'm cool for posting it? Idk American's have a long history of supporting the IRA without really knowing what they're doing. Why stop now?
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Jun 12, 2017 21:53
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Darth Windu posted:IDk what that means. I also have a southern Irish roommate who might think I'm cool for posting it? Idk How about, even jokingly, you don't go around endorsing terrorists?
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Jun 12, 2017 21:53
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VstDOv0C1do eamon de valera punched the queen intae the jaw
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Captain Fargle posted:How about, even jokingly, you don't go around endorsing terrorists?
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Jun 12, 2017 21:54
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Maybe he's trying to join May's coalition. But he's not endorsing the UDA?
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Darth Windu posted:IDk what that means. I also have a southern Irish roommate who might think I'm cool for posting it? Idk Plastic Paddy. It's a derogatory term for people who aren't from Irish but like to pretend they are & thus big up the IRA. For example, fans of Glasgow Celtic Football Club, and the population of Boston, MA.
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Darth Windu posted:IDk what that means. I also have a southern Irish roommate who might think I'm cool for posting it? Idk Definitely call him southern irish he will like that.
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I know a couple people have different reading on confidence and the queens speech, but the intent of the FTPA was to define the terms when parliament can be dissolved and by conventional failure to pass a first queens speech does not lead to dissolution but to the sitting prime minister recommending the leader of the opposition to replace them after tending their resignation, as per the last successful defeat on a queens speech in 1924 saw Baldwin resign in favour of MacDonald after his minority governments speech was amended after the 1923 election. So honestly I'm not sure the terns relating to confidence motions to dissolve parliament necessarily overrule existing convention that would see a resignation - it gets complicated cause every historical queens speech defeat entailed a no confidence motion being amended into the text of the humble address. May could argue the FTPA sets clear rules for every no confidence motion ever and over rules existing convention in this regard and try to cling on or stage a confidence vote 14 days later, but the act is clear in that such a motion would dissolve parliament for new elections completely tossing out the ability to swap government without elections - which has historical precedent and the weight of convention. Money bills are a lot less clear but I think the queens speech isn't too complicated and if its amended or defeated she would have to instruct the monarch to allow the opposition to attempt to form a government. kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The FTPA is such a pointless piece of legislation.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:So does anything at all that the British Parliament does require greater than a simple majority? It's not quite that simple. Don't forget how much of our constitution is governed by convention and not rocking the boat too much: take the House of Lords for instance, everybody knows that the Commons can just legislate their power away if they want to, but they don't, because that would be causing a nuisance and just plain un-British; accordingly, the Lords do their job of kicking up a fuss when absolutely necessary* but not take the piss. If an Act of Parliament requires a special majority, it must be complied with, but that Act itself can be overturned by simple majority and then the original vote done over. This means that the whole process involves a lot more scrutiny, so it takes a lot more political capital to push it through. *See, for example, this crucial debate on a matter of crucial historical significance e: context
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Until someone repeals it the rules it sets for how parliament works do still hold weight.
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Jun 12, 2017 21:58
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OwlFancier posted:I mean he's right, I'm pretty sure the government can afford to write the important stuff on some durable paper. "We slaughtered a baby cow to write these laws on, so that should tell you just how fooking serious we are about them"
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OwlFancier posted:Definitely call him southern irish he will like that. She and I already did and she agreed? Confused why that would be controversial when she is literally from the southern tip of the island Also I'm catholic SO I'm pretty sure I can support the IRA unironically (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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OwlFancier posted:Definitely call him southern irish he will like that. I don't mind it. But then, I am from the south coast  Darth Windu posted:Also I'm catholic SO I'm pretty sure I can support the IRA unironically umm please don't
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