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Mueller is an ex FBI director. If he gets fired so soon after the defamation of Comey the FBI might literally go openly rogue.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Mueller is an ex FBI director. If he gets fired so soon after the defamation of Comey the FBI might literally go openly rogue. Oh well that's fine then, I feel very reassured Here's to hoping that the military junta isn't too repressive
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Jun 13, 2017 01:34
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Mueller is an ex FBI director. If he gets fired so soon after the defamation of Comey the FBI might literally go openly rogue. I, for one, look forward to the HUMAGAC and its investigation of the FBI
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Jun 13, 2017 01:37
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Zophar posted:This Mueller firing talk has me spooked. Their whole narrative since Comey's hearing has been some real doublethink poo poo, spinning it like it actually *cleared* Trump of suspicion. Makes me worry all this plus Sessions going in to testify has been to build this narrative that the matter is sealed and there doesn't need to be a special counsel. If he fires Mueller, he may as well tattoo "IM GUILTY" across his forehead, and I think some of the reps from Trump+5 and less districts, if they haven't already, will really start to feel the heat and the pressure will turn up from Congress. All but his most frothing rabid supporters will be convinced something is rotten.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:40
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Also, this is Donald Trump we're talking about. If he fires Mueller, it won't be done in a calculated, careful way. It will be done openly, brazenly, and without tact. There is a 50% chance that he will trip on a rug, tear open the countess' blouse, and fall over a stair railing after doing it.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:42
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Fart City posted:Also, this is Donald Trump we're talking about. If he fires Mueller, it won't be done in a calculated, careful way. It will be done openly, brazenly, and without tact. There is a 50% chance that he will trip on a rug, tear open the countess' blouse, and fall over a stair railing after doing it. So basically it will be done in precisely the same manner as the campaign that got him and a bunch of sycophants into all institutions of American power
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Jun 13, 2017 01:43
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Fart City posted:Also, this is Donald Trump we're talking about. If he fires Mueller, it won't be done in a calculated, careful way. It will be done openly, brazenly, and without tact. There is a 50% chance that he will trip on a rug, tear open the countess' blouse, and fall over a stair railing after doing it. He'll literally brag to some foreign press that he fired Mueller specifically because he hopes it'll relieve the pressure of a Russian investigation. Just like he did with Comey. The man is literally retarded.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:43
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NoDamage posted:How much damage did firing Comey actually do? It sounds like Republicans are still entirely on board with Trump, McConnell and Ryan are still defending his every action. Republicans in Congress are (almost) entirely on board in public. In private a lot of them, at least the ones who aren't in R+10 districts, are panicking. Stuff like this is the tip of that iceberg: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/secret-recording-reveals-gop-lawmaker-freaking-out-about-going-down-with-the-ship-for-trump/
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Jun 13, 2017 01:44
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NoDamage posted:How much damage did firing Comey actually do? It sounds like Republicans are still entirely on board with Trump, McConnell and Ryan are still defending his every action. Remember a few weeks ago when everyone said firing Comey would be so obviously corrupt that Trump would never do it because the Republicans would turn on him? Well, he did, and they haven't. Why would firing Mueller be any different? It caused a spate of damaging leaks, lead directly to the appointment of a special prosecutor, and led to Comey testifying publicly and numerous Republicans saying they believed him. It was definitely not a good move and made everything worse for Trump.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:44
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:He'll literally brag to some foreign press that he fired Mueller specifically because he hopes it'll relieve the pressure of a Russian investigation. Just like he did with Comey. https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/874426768261877761
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Jun 13, 2017 01:45
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Your Taint posted:All but his most frothing rabid supporters will be convinced something is rotten.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:45
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buglord posted:Would Fox News be amongst the frothing rabid? If they haven't dropped him now, I don't see them doing so anytime soon. Given how their ratings are dropping it hardly matters.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:47
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Can't he be both?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Acosta/status/874415483885428736 Reminder that Trump often does the opposite of what people around him tell him to do.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:48
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So June 20 is the GA-06 election but the SC election for Mulvaney's old seat is happening the same day. I haven't heard poo poo about this race or seen any polls so I'm guessing it's a lost cause?
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Jun 13, 2017 01:49
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DaveWoo posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/Acosta/status/874415483885428736 I did my part: https://twitter.com/0Phorrum/status/874428515189489664
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Jun 13, 2017 01:49
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DaveWoo posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/Acosta/status/874415483885428736 God, what I would give to be a fly on the wall when people are trying to talk sense into Trump.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:50
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I'm going to go a step further and say even suggesting Mueller's firing can backfire on Trump. Just like only a guilty person fires the head of an investigation that may implicate him, suggesting that firing isn't something innocent people do. Fortunately for Trump his administration is one huge flak screen of distractions so it's unlikely any one thing will catch people's attention.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:51
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Low Desert Punk posted:God, what I would give to be a fly on the wall when people are trying to talk sense into Trump.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:51
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Paradoxish posted:Even if this is true, I don't think you can blame people for being uncomfortable with the state intelligence apparatus having this much control or influence. If we ever actually reach that point then the federal government is legitimately broken. What you are actually seeing with the so called "Deep State" are career professionals who are taking their oath of service seriously. Because Trump is an existential threat to the Republic. The first and most important part of the oath of service is to defend the nation and the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Note that these people are trying to do this with a light touch. Because these people are patriots in the best sense. Also it's not like they're manufacturing evidence, they're just providing the evidence to the people who need to know. Which is everyone. So I don't see any evidence of anything that the citizens of nation should be worried about. This is just the civil institutions of the nation and those people in those positions doing their job to make the system work.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:53
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FuturePastNow posted:Stuff like this is the tip of that iceberg: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/secret-recording-reveals-gop-lawmaker-freaking-out-about-going-down-with-the-ship-for-trump/ They can't turn on Trump too early lest they torpedo their window to ram through horrific legislation and risk a primary by some crazed Trumpstaffel.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:54
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Skex posted:What you are actually seeing with the so called "Deep State" are career professionals who are taking their oath of service seriously. A bunch of unelected spooks entering into something resembling open revolt against a democratically elected leader is, while preferable to Donald loving Trump, is still profoundly disturbing
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Jun 13, 2017 01:55
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Hollismason posted:Yeah, I am honestly not sure what would happen if Mueller was fired. Trump drops a Mueller fire during the Tuesday testimony of keebler Elf, blaming him for the act and firing him for it. Sessions learns this and his release from AG just happened during a rando question five minutes after going under oath.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:55
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Low Desert Punk posted:God, what I would give to be a fly on the wall when people are trying to talk sense into Trump. The tell all books will be amazing, especially if Trump leaves office super unpopular (which is likely) and everyone is racing to distance themselves as much as possible. They'll show all these conversations in full, unflattering light.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:55
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JosefStalinator posted:They'll show all these conversations in full, unflattering light. Ugh. He does seem like the kind of guy who would hold a meeting while sitting in a hot tub.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:56
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Spiritus Nox posted:A bunch of unelected spooks entering into something resembling open revolt against a democratically elected leader is, while preferable to Donald loving Trump, is still profoundly disturbing So open revolt is doing their jobs to investigate possible treason by the president, I mean if they won't do it who will.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:57
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Spiritus Nox posted:A bunch of unelected spooks entering into something resembling open revolt against a democratically elected leader is, while preferable to Donald loving Trump, is still profoundly disturbing Not if they have evidence that said democratically elected leader is a sock puppet for the Russians. Because there is a loving there there. This is whistle blowing.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:57
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JosefStalinator posted:The tell all books will be amazing, especially if Trump leaves office super unpopular (which is likely) and everyone is racing to distance themselves as much as possible. They'll show all these conversations in full, unflattering light. I feel like we'll never know the full story because his aides hate each other so much they'll all have wildly conflicting stories.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:58
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nachos posted:So June 20 is the GA-06 election but the SC election for Mulvaney's old seat is happening the same day. I haven't heard poo poo about this race or seen any polls so I'm guessing it's a lost cause? not necessarily. i was looking it up and mulvaney was the only republican to win that district in a hundred years. the previous republican was robert smalls, who looked familiar:  and when i checked his wiki page i remembered that this guy escaped slavery along with his entire family by commandeering a confederate ship and sailing it out of charleston harbor and became the first black navy captain according to the "finders keepers" principle
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Jun 13, 2017 01:58
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Imagine how many unbelievable things we know about Nixon because he was crazy enough to tape himself saying everything, and how long it took for many of those tapes to come out. Assuming Trump's lying about taping Comey, there's going to be crazy poo poo we'll never know about even if he does go down in flames.
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Jun 13, 2017 02:00
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Spiritus Nox posted:A bunch of unelected spooks entering into something resembling open revolt against a democratically elected leader is, while preferable to Donald loving Trump, is still profoundly disturbing Considering that Trump is trying to make himself the last democratically elected leader, or at least the most openly corrupt in history, I think these actions are granted. Also probably wouldn't be using "spook" often if it were me. Too adjacent to something awful.
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Jun 13, 2017 02:02
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Ularg posted:Considering that Trump is trying to make himself the last democratically elected leader, or at least the most openly corrupt in history, I think these actions are granted. "preferable to Donald loving Trump" was a key part of my last post. Doesn't make me comfortable with it.
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Jun 13, 2017 02:03
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Spiritus Nox posted:"preferable to Donald loving Trump" was a key part of my last post. Well we wouldn't even be here if the first ten "Checks and Balances" actually did their job. Yea I get the idea being a bit frightened by a group beholden to no one but themselves, but they aren't some invincible thing that can't be dismantled if they ever threatened the country, at least I would hope. Edit: I rather it being intelligence agencies doing it. Because it's more of a sign of "Listen, we gave you fuckers all the information you need to know this guy was bad news and you ain't doing poo poo" than an open civil war or a military coup.
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Jun 13, 2017 02:05
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Ularg posted:Also probably wouldn't be using "spook" often if it were me. Too adjacent to something awful. It's a totally normal way to talk about spies, and I don't see what it has to do with Lowtax.
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Jun 13, 2017 02:05
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Sinteres posted:It's a totally normal way to talk about spies, and I don't see what it has to do with Lowtax. Fair enough, that's why I'm not going all frothy pointing fingers. Just seemed like a really old way to refer to spies when it has that double racist meaning.
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Jun 13, 2017 02:06
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boner confessor posted:not necessarily. i was looking it up and mulvaney was the only republican to win that district in a hundred years. the previous republican was robert smalls, who looked familiar: What a badass.
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Jun 13, 2017 02:08
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Sinteres posted:I feel like we'll never know the full story because his aides hate each other so much they'll all have wildly conflicting stories. The Trump tell-all books will be like Rashomon, and it'll be up to us to determine the truth.
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Jun 13, 2017 02:08
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boner confessor posted:not necessarily. i was looking it up and mulvaney was the only republican to win that district in a hundred years. the previous republican was robert smalls, who looked familiar: This is basically a premodern actual naval law thing, incidentally.  At least if you're dealing with unrecognized or hostile powers.
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Jun 13, 2017 02:09
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boner confessor posted:not necessarily. i was looking it up and mulvaney was the only republican to win that district in a hundred years. the previous republican was robert smalls, who looked familiar: That's goddamn awesome.
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Ularg posted:Fair enough, that's why I'm not going all frothy pointing fingers. Just seemed like a really old way to refer to spies when it has that double racist meaning. Wait it does?
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