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Yeah, it does, and I thought about using it for the pictures, but I was lazy/kickstand was easier.
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That VFR is gorgeous. It looks like such a porker, but that somehow makes it more endearing.
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Jun 11, 2017 02:34
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OK so I might as well ask here. I'm shopping for a dirt bike to do some riding around logging trails and maybe at some dirtbike parks in the area (I'm in the PNW, there's tons of them). But I really have no clue as to what I'd be shopping for in a dirt bike. I've got a street bike already, but am 5'6 and maybe 165 lbs. I'm trying to go for something super cheap that I can bang up without worrying about it. Should I be looking at a 150, 250? What CC is too small?
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Jazzzzz posted:Are you negging his bike?!  That was fast, well done, and hilarious.turn it up TURN ME ON posted:OK so I might as well ask here. I'm shopping for a dirt bike to do some riding around logging trails and maybe at some dirtbike parks in the area (I'm in the PNW, there's tons of them). But I really have no clue as to what I'd be shopping for in a dirt bike. Dirtbike dirt bike: WR250F Dual Sport dirt bike: WR250R (3k might not be cheap enough) OR XT225 (cheap and light) Paging Slaavy to come recommend the Super Sherpa again.
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Coydog posted:Dirtbike dirt bike: WR250F My budget is $1k without financing or $3k with. So I might be SOL for those particular ones. But it sounds like you're saying not to go for a 150, you think that'll be too small/slow? EDIT: Here's one I was looking at today before I asked. No idea what the CRF 250R is designed for though. http://www.beavertonmotorcycles.com/default.asp?page=xPreOwnedInventoryDetail&id=3412575&p=3&s=Year&d=D&t=preowned&fr=xPreOwnedInventory turn it up TURN ME ON fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Jun 11, 2017 |
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Jun 11, 2017 06:01
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For that price you might want to consider an early 2000s yz125. A 2t 125 isn't too slow, you just have to shift alot and stay in the powerband. The lack of weight is great. https://eugene.craigslist.org/mcy/6150602844.html https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/mcy/6166185055.html https://salem.craigslist.org/mcy/6137903563.html
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Super sherpa. Strictly dirt I'd say 150 is too small (talking 4t here), if you want to use it on the road than anything with less than ~230 tends to be really painful. That CRF is a straight-up MX bike and will more than do the job offroad. It'll also gently caress you up if you're careless but that's ok. Keep in mind MX bikes have ludicrously severe service intervals compared to what you're used to.
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Jun 11, 2017 06:18
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Slavvy posted:Super sherpa. Strictly dirt I'd say 150 is too small (talking 4t here), if you want to use it on the road than anything with less than ~230 tends to be really painful. Hah, I heard "yeah basically change the oil after every ride". Yeah I don't care about on-road, I've got a road bike if I ever want to take an actual road trip. And I've got a pickup truck to get the bike to the trail or track.
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Jun 11, 2017 06:28
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In that case get a 2t 125 as mr_loc says. They're less maintenance-intensive than a 4t whichever way you look at it, won't hurt you, super light and the suspension is just as good as a bigger bike. You'll learn pretty quick that suspension is like the most important thing there is offroad.
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Jun 11, 2017 06:52
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Slavvy posted:In that case get a 2t 125 as mr_loc says. They're less maintenance-intensive than a 4t whichever way you look at it, won't hurt you, super light and the suspension is just as good as a bigger bike. You'll learn pretty quick that suspension is like the most important thing there is offroad. Cool. I've got a goal then. 2t = 2 stroke? Also while I'm keeping an eye out for a 125 - I'm guessing this is going to be too small/slow? https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/mcy/6155893505.html turn it up TURN ME ON fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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Jun 11, 2017 07:15
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Oh poo poo so I discovered I can actually fit on a Tiger 800. Somebody tell me all of the awful things about this bike because I rode it for a bit and I really really like it.
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Jun 12, 2017 18:51
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Mr. Wiggles posted:Oh poo poo so I discovered I can actually fit on a Tiger 800. Somebody tell me all of the awful things about this bike because I rode it for a bit and I really really like it. I'd really like to have one as a second bike for long trips. You should buy it.
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Mr. Wiggles posted:Oh poo poo so I discovered I can actually fit on a Tiger 800. Somebody tell me all of the awful things about this bike because I rode it for a bit and I really really like it. I didn't choose the ADV life. ADV life chose me
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Mr. Wiggles posted:Oh poo poo so I discovered I can actually fit on a Tiger 800. Somebody tell me all of the awful things about this bike because I rode it for a bit and I really really like it. They're good.
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Jun 12, 2017 20:46
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Rented one for a road trip once. It's very good. Too big to be my only bike, though.
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Jun 12, 2017 21:02
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gently caress. Ok.
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Mr. Wiggles posted:gently caress. Ok. ? It's a good bike. If it makes you happy, you should get it.
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Jun 12, 2017 23:28
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Do it! I want a tiger 1200 so bad aahhhh
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builds character posted:? Nah, I'm happy about it. I just means there's no reason for me to not get off my rear end and go get it.
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Jun 13, 2017 00:09
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They're fine bikes but I found the engine terminally boring.
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Jun 13, 2017 05:54
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Z3n posted:They're fine bikes but I found the engine terminally boring. Yeah but this is true of every triumph bar the daytona and 1050 spiple.
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How's the Tiger 1050, there's one for sale here and it looks kinda neat.
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Heavy. But I think all the ADV bikes are too heavy to do what they're advertised to do. As a touring bike they're great but then you may as well get a sprint ST instead. Only issue those motors have to my knowledge is a starter clutch appetite ala MV agusta but triumph, being not-italian, are able to supply an up-rated sprag and flywheel assembly that fixes the issue entirely.
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turn it up TURN ME ON posted:Cool. I've got a goal then. 2t = 2 stroke? Yes (2t = 2 stroke) and yes that would be too small and possibly too slow (especially if you've come from a road bike). I'd agree with others that a 2t 125 would be your best bet, just kak[ sure you're on the pipe so you don't foul up the plug  Also, a 4t 250 would be ideal, but seriously (and even more so older CRF's) the maintenance is terrible. I have a 2016 KTM 350SXF and I change the oil every 5 hours (manual says 10) and you are supposed to do the piston and rings at 50hours. If you're going for the lower end of the market, seriously go with a 2t, that way if the engines trashed you an rebuild the whole thing yourself for at least half the price of a 4 stroke. Edit: a 125 is the minimum size for a "full size" dirtbike in terms of height/size (not weight - it's about the lightest). I'd suggest at 5"6 you might not be able to completely touch the ground (even tippy toes potentially, not sure), but you'll get used to it super quick. Guni fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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What's going on inside these little four-stroke engines that they need such frequent maintenance? It's making the periodic 2t cylinder overbore look reasonable.
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You can get away with longer intervals depending on how you ride. These are MX bikes though, and are made to be flogged and put up wet. Two smokers by design are more simple machines and have less moving parts. If all you do is leisurely trail ride then you can double the intervals, possibly more. Keeping the air filters clean and bearings lubed is the biggest worry.
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Slide Hammer posted:What's going on inside these little four-stroke engines that they need such frequent maintenance? It's making the periodic 2t cylinder overbore look reasonable. Ultra short stroke and big bore, very aggressive cams, often Titanium valves. Periodic top ends on a 2t seem more expensive at first glance until you do a top end on a 4t and you're replacing valves and cutting seats and poo poo. Then factor in oil and filter changes every few hours and valve clearances every few services and just doing a plug and gear oil on a two stroke becomes a lot more palatable. They're definitely more expensive in the long run, quite literally race engines for the consumer and a far cry from the tractory air cooled shitters of old.
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The service intervals are also for racing where you're running at WOT all the time. If you do some looking around at thumpertalk, ktmtalk, advrider (maybe elsewhere) you'll see that folks are getting far better numbers. They're still ridiculous - ex. replacing the piston and rings at 2-300hours, but they're a lot better than what the manual is recommending. That's the XCF-W/EXC-F versions though, not the SX (which has, I think, higher compression and a different tune so that it gets ~10 more hp).
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Jun 13, 2017 16:48
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Turns out when you spin tiny parts at a billion RPM's they wear out quickly.
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The WR250s and 450s seem to go forever with just regular oil changes. Those are enduros, not MX bikes, but AFAIK the motors are pretty much the same as the YZ versions, it's the gearing and suspension that's different. Is that not the case?
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Jazzzzz posted:The WR250s and 450s seem to go forever with just regular oil changes. Those are enduros, not MX bikes, but AFAIK the motors are pretty much the same as the YZ versions, it's the gearing and suspension that's different. Is that not the case? Just a quick google, so do your own research, but it looks like WR250R compression ratio is 11.8:1 and WR250F and YZ250F are 12.5:1. WRRs have regular/normal maintenance intervals but the WR250F maintenance interval is roughly similar to the KTMs. Redline on the WR250F may also be ~1500rpm higher, but I couldn't find that as easily. Also, KTM 250 EXCF weighs (per KTM, with 2 gallons of fuel added) 239 lbs, WR250F weighs 256 per yamaha. But... WR250F is like $8k and KTM is ~$9,500. Anyway, I think you may be thinking of the WRRs, not the WRFs.
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It's just the natural tradeoff between power-from-displacement and reliability. All other things being equal, an engine with a higher compression ratio which spins faster will generate more power, but it puts the internal components under greater stress. The slower-spinning, lower-compression engine won't be as powerful but it will last longer. It applies equally to every combustion engine ever built. Some very expensive limousines (think Rolls-Royce, Maybach, etc) will actually have large, high-performance engines that are deliberately detuned, reducing their power output -- because the detuned engine is still powerful enough, but is now greatly overbuilt for the power it produces, making it that much more reliable. The extreme ends of this spectrum are e.g. a tractor motor, which makes like 150 horsepower from 8 litres and runs for decades, and a Top Fuel dragster motor, which makes 3,000 horsepower from 8 litres and lasts 3.5 seconds at full throttle.
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Sagebrush posted:The extreme ends of this spectrum are e.g. a tractor motor, which makes like 150 horsepower from 8 litres and runs for decades, and a Top Fuel dragster motor, which makes 3,000 horsepower from 8 litres and lasts 3.5 seconds at full throttle. Sweet, I get to post this again http://www.sccoia.org/articles/top-fuel-dragster-fast-facts/ "Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel flow."
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I don't necessarily want to become the VFR guy here, but this popped up in my search results while looking for a cheap bicycle. Seems like a pretty good deal: denver.craigslist.org/mcy/6156695247.html For posterity: https://imgur.com/gallery/1xrAd There's only the one pic of the bike, but at least the right side looks ok! Is the starter clutch issue really as easy as s/he makes it out to be, or is that a bit of a downplay? My ZX6E was starting to do that, but it was right before I sold it, so I never got into it.
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Faster Blaster posted:I don't necessarily want to become the VFR guy here, but this popped up in my search results while looking for a cheap bicycle. Seems like a pretty good deal: Doesn't seem so bad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN9Jk2EUn_0 Obviously you should buy it.
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Jazzzzz posted:Sweet, I get to post this again
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Jazzzzz posted:Sweet, I get to post this again I feel like some of this is BS. The supercharger compresses the air so much that it not only reaches liquid form, but nearly reaches solid form? Also there is this: "The constituents of air were once known as "permanent gases", as they could not be liquified solely by compression at room temperature. A compression process will raise the temperature of the gas" 
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I feel like some of this is BS. The supercharger compresses the air so much that it not only reaches liquid form, but nearly reaches solid form? "Near solid" is hyperbole for sure. That said, I have no idea how much boost pressure they're running at full throttle, the AF mix is 1.7:1 so it's already heavy on liquid, and at WOT they're dumping a shitload of fuel into the cylinder. That's gonna be a dense charge.
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