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CityMidnightJunky posted:42 is astonishing in that I have definitely watched it, possibly more than once, but it is so aggressively unmemorable that it has completely dropped out of my head, to the point where if I do a series watch through, I'll constantly be surprised it exists and then forget it again immediately afterwards. The whole episode has a perception filter on it. The equivalent for me is Planet of the Dead. I do not hate Planet of the Dead, because that would require me to have formed an emotional or even an intellectual reaction to it that would differentiate the experience of watching it from having stared at a blank screen for an hour and a half.
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The one bit of "42" I remember best is the Doctor yelling "COME ON, MY SON!" like he's at a football match while he's outside the spaceship trying to reach for something.
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TL posted:This is from a while back, and while I mostly agree, there is one area I have to disagree: while Moff is obviously an extremely talented writer, and I have no doubt he absolutely loves Doctor Who, he is a TERRIBLE producer/showrunner. You can quibble with the direction he's taken the show, though overall I've enjoyed the hell out of it. But we've also essentially lost two entire seasons under his watch, and his running of the show seems to be resulting in us losing two amazing actors playing the Doctor prematurely. From that perspective, he's done a terrible job. The rumour is that the BBC is forcing Capaldi out because they think he's costing them young female viewers, which I don't think can really be called Moffat's fault
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docbeard posted:The equivalent for me is Planet of the Dead. I do not hate Planet of the Dead, because that would require me to have formed an emotional or even an intellectual reaction to it that would differentiate the experience of watching it from having stared at a blank screen for an hour and a half. I hate Planet of the Dead.
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2house2fly posted:The rumour is that the BBC is forcing Capaldi out because they think he's costing them young female viewers, which I don't think can really be called Moffat's fault Yeah, I don't know who to blame for this, but it's the thing that makes me the most nervous, because it also feels like they're tying Chibnall's hands out of the gate, and we probably won't get a woman in the role like... ever.
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The thing that annoys me about Torchwood is that it started from such an advantageous position and still managed to gently caress it up horrendously. Captain Jack Harkness' paranomal investigation squad was a legitimately good concept for a show that squandered it's potential on DAY ONE so I find it bizarre it got a 2nd season, let alone a 3rd and 4th (though yeah it did pick up a bit). It's attached to Doctor Who and has some likeable character overlap so it kinda starts with a built in audience. It's set on Earth so they don't need to do exposition about alien worlds nor try to justify why ALL OF TIME AND SPACE takes up less screentime than present day Earth, but the dimensional rift idea means they can still introduce weird and wonderful aliens whenever they want. Whilst also having a good excuse why they appear one week then are never heard of again. Moving away from being a family show could have given them an opportunity to explore ideas too heavy for Doctor Who proper, but instead they embraced the most laughably immature idea of what "adult" means. If it was just rejected Doctor Who scripts investigated by the Torchwood team then that would have been a semi-passable show (though certainly not great), but it's the ridiculous attempts to sex things up at a cost of everything else made it truly awful. TL posted:This is from a while back, and while I mostly agree, there is one area I have to disagree: while Moff is obviously an extremely talented writer, and I have no doubt he absolutely loves Doctor Who, he is a TERRIBLE producer/showrunner. You can quibble with the direction he's taken the show, though overall I've enjoyed the hell out of it. But we've also essentially lost two entire seasons under his watch, and his running of the show seems to be resulting in us losing two amazing actors playing the Doctor prematurely. From that perspective, he's done a terrible job. Well I wouldn't go quite so far as to say he did a terrible job but with the benefits of hindsight it seems fair to say Moffat's talents are better employed as a writer than as a showrunner. I was really excited when Moffat became showrunner because he had penned my favourite episodes of the revival series... but the golden age I was anticipating never really happened and the show seemed to suffer more production issues with him at the helm. And I suppose when you think about it it's kind of obvious that showrunning and writing involve different skills.
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Elite posted:The thing that annoys me about Torchwood is that it started from such an advantageous position and still managed to gently caress it up horrendously. In retrospect, Theresa May was a poor choice of showrunner.
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Bicyclops posted:Yeah, I don't know who to blame for this, but it's the thing that makes me the most nervous, because it also feels like they're tying Chibnall's hands out of the gate, and we probably won't get a woman in the role like... ever. I'm sure there are ways to get young female viewers interested in a young female Doctor, though.
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Jun 13, 2017 15:37
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Wheat Loaf posted:In retrospect, Theresa May was a poor choice of showrunner. Don't put the blame on me, I voted for Lord Buckethead.
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Elite posted:I was really excited when Moffat became showrunner because he had penned my favourite episodes of the revival series... but the golden age I was anticipating never really happened You could probably argue that it did... but only for one season. 
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Burkion posted:Don't put the blame on me, I voted for Lord Buckethead. It's pronounced Lord Bouquet-head  .
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Burkion posted:Don't put the blame on me, I voted for Lord Buckethead. "Lord Buckethead, prime minister." "Yes, we know."
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Babelcolour has done another excellent Almost Doctors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QctIQ_EDroI
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vegetables posted:I'm sure there are ways to get young female viewers interested in a young female Doctor, though. *BBC executive voice, sucking in air through teeth* Ehhhhhh, I'm just not sure it's time for that sort of risk, let's play it safe, go with a dashing, romantic sort of fellow.
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2house2fly posted:The rumour is that the BBC is forcing Capaldi out because they think he's costing them young female viewers, which I don't think can really be called Moffat's fault Crazy decision, anecdotally talking to my gf and other female friends they almost uniformly list Clara as thw main reason they lost interest in Who.
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Senor Tron posted:Crazy decision, anecdotally talking to my gf and other female friends they almost uniformly list Clara as thw main reason they lost interest in Who. Hey, snap. It's the same among my gal pals. (Not that it probably means very much, as I know the character had a huge female tumblr following -- Including that one that was obsessed with Clara's status as a "wannabe tragic heroine". Project much? -- but I digress. It's interesting to note, is all.)
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Jun 13, 2017 17:31
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Lol if you think the doctor won't be a white male forever
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Every woman I have talked to has listed Tennant as their favorite, with maybe Eccleston as their second favorite. One or two actively disliked Smith (for having no eyebrows, or for sexualizing the Tardis - though I'd blame Moffat for that). It's not that many but still. I kind of am not sure of the point of changing the gender or race of the doctor beyond giving a more diverse list of actors that position. The doctor is an alien who did not come from any human culture, and does not represent something a person can be, storywise at least. Maybe that could be solved if they do more with the concept of the people he meets being inspirations for his new forms, more than the Roman who became 13's face, but that's not really the same as becoming the Doctor. I don't know. At the end of the day it would be a nice gesture, and it might be more possible if they have their tennant 2 for a while, but idk.
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It's almost as if women make up more than half the population and their opinions on TV characters are going to vary very widely.
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Hemingway To Go! posted:I kind of am not sure of the point of changing the gender or race of the doctor beyond giving a more diverse list of actors that position. The doctor is an alien who did not come from any human culture, and does not represent something a person can be, storywise at least. Maybe that could be solved if they do more with the concept of the people he meets being inspirations for his new forms, more than the Roman who became 13's face, but that's not really the same as becoming the Doctor. I don't know. I think it would be interesting because it would create new story opportunities, but at the same time, the value of that is contingent on the writers making the most of those opportunities. Suppose, for instance, that Doctor Who had continued into the 90s and eventually Art Malik was cast as the Ninth Doctor in 1995 after Richard Griffiths quits as Eight. A story where the TARDIS lands in the British Raj would be very different than if the Doctor appeared to be a white Englishman. Of course, as I said, that depends entirely on the writing staff being game for taking advantage of the chance to tell that kind of story. But even if they don't want to do that - if they decided, "Let's cast X, Y or Z because they'd just be good at it and not bother about making a point" - I can't really think of any good reason not to do it. 
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Murderion posted:I remember Countrycide as being a decent horror episode completely at odds with the rest of the season, but then again I watched like 10 years ago and lol if you think I'll go out of my way to look up S1 Torchwood. Oh, the one where Jack busts into the barn on a tractor and shoots the cannibal grandpa with a shotgun. fake edit: Jack has the shotgun
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So the Radiophonic Workshop are going to be performing live at the Science Museum in London this Friday evening, including doing a version of the Who theme. Details/tickets here
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Namtab posted:Lol if you think the doctor won't be a white male forever BBC: Let's cast this Swinton fellow, he seems like quite the handsome chap! Chibnal: Actually Til- Moffat: Shuuuuuuut upppppppppp
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Jerusalem posted:BBC: Let's cast this Swinton fellow, he seems like quite the handsome chap! She'd also beat out Hartnell and Capaldi as the oldest person to be cast as the Doctor.
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This episode wasn't bad, though the crumple effect was super-cheesy.Astroman posted:Why not? Are there diversity quotas for BBC historical programs now? Is it just with British historical representation? I can't remember, but does anyone recall if any of Ashildr's fellow Vikings were black? There were almost certainly black (or at the very least nonwhite) vikings; the vikings reached north africa and are known to have bought slaves (likely west african) there, and we also know that some scandanavian tombs contain religious and cultural tokens from the middle east and north and west africa. Again, like the black footman mentioned, it would've almost certainly been unusual, but the vikings really got around. CityMidnightJunky posted:There was an episode of Torchwood that was actually quite close to this what the gently caress even was torchwood
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Namtab posted:All I remember about the episode is the sex alien fuckmurdering her way through the sperm donation clinic but probably.
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Davros1 posted:She'd also beat out Hartnell and Capaldi as the oldest person to be cast as the Doctor. Does it count as oldest if she is essentially ageless? Because if that's the case they could also cast Gillian Anderson as the Master (also Bryan Fuller becomes the showrunner)
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spectralent posted:what the gently caress even was torchwood Two seasons of Chris Chibnall furiously masturbating all over our television sets.  Jerusalem posted:(also Bryan Fuller becomes the showrunner) Jesus, if you thought Moffat had trouble getting stuff done on time...
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Torchwood is so absurd that its plot descriptions come up when you're making fun of the guy who spewed out a bunch of weird nonsense about how a character's vagina is a plot point, and compared to Torchwood, that guy arguably comes out on top.
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Timby posted:Jesus, if you thought Moffat had trouble getting stuff done on time... Oh it would be a mess. But a glorious, BEAUTIFUL mess 
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Bryan Fuller is really good at artistic direction, which is how all of his shows have incredible visuals and they all feel like these unique genre blends, which you'd think would make him a good match for Doctor Who, but when he clashes with network brass, he subscribes to the "Then I'm taking my ball and going home!" school of negotiation, which is how he's had several decent shows yanked out from under him. I also suspect that his Doctor Who would be less like American Gods and Pushing Daisies and more like his work on Star Trek, which, as a reminder, includes the worst episode of Voyager (yes, worse than the lizard sex episode).
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Bicyclops posted:but when he clashes with network brass, he subscribes to the "Then I'm taking my ball and going home!" school of negotiation Or he just flat-out gets fired, like with Star Trek Discovery.
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Wait, he was involved with the new Star Trek? WAIT, there's a new Star Trek!?!
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The designs for 13's first companion "Handles Mk II" sure are different!
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Look all I'm saying is that if there is going to be a new Star Trek, it should be a followup to DS9 and about Sisko returning from Surely that isn't asking too much.
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Jerusalem posted:Wait, he was involved with the new Star Trek? New series exclusive to CBS All-Access in North America and on Netflix internationally, set ten years prior to the Original Series. Premiering this fall. It's had an insanely troubled development history and while Fuller was originally in charge of it, after production was delayed three times because he was being a prima donna about the scripts, CBS finally shoved him out the airlock and replaced him.
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Jerusalem posted:Wait, he was involved with the new Star Trek? There was supposed to be one but he hosed it up and someone else gets to make it. Saw it discussed in more depth elsewhere, will link when I find it.
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Timby posted:Or he just flat-out gets fired, like with Star Trek Discovery. That's why he gets fired. Not that the people running Dead Like Me weren't complete assholes, and I frankly don't blame him for clashing with them, but that was a "You can't fire me, I quit," situation. I'm really glad he's on American Gods, because it seems to be a huge group of people who won't budge that somehow ended up with the best of all of them and very little of the worst. If he were in charge of Doctor Who, it'd have one really interesting, weird and very enjoyable episode, and then it would be canceled for 50 years.
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Bicyclops posted:Bryan Fuller is really good at artistic direction, which is how all of his shows have incredible visuals and they all feel like these unique genre blends, which you'd think would make him a good match for Doctor Who, but when he clashes with network brass, he subscribes to the "Then I'm taking my ball and going home!" school of negotiation, which is how he's had several decent shows yanked out from under him. I also suspect that his Doctor Who would be less like American Gods and Pushing Daisies and more like his work on Star Trek, which, as a reminder, includes the worst episode of Voyager (yes, worse than the lizard sex episode). Which Voyager episode out of curiosity, because there is a couple I can think of off the top of my head that are far worse than Threshold. Timby posted:New series exclusive to CBS All-Access in North America and on Netflix internationally, set ten years prior to the Original Series. Premiering this fall. It's had an insanely troubled development history and while Fuller was originally in charge of it, after production was delayed three times because he was being a prima donna about the scripts, CBS finally shoved him out the airlock and replaced him. It's also pretty obvious that CBS are trying their damnedest to strangle the entire show in the crib, so it's probably not entirely Fuller's fault regarding the scripts.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Which Voyager episode out of curiosity, because there is a couple I can think of off the top of my head that are far worse than Threshold.
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