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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
| Total: | 1817 votes | ||
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Who takes Home if Abbott is too ill to do it? Thornberry and then someone else (Gardiner?) to Foreign?
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Jose posted:will the press call corbyn sexist again when he appoints 50% women but none end up as home/foreign? yes which is prolly why he'll keep Home female. makes it easier to manage the tone when attacking Rudd, too. i don't think he'll move Thornberry; i could see McDonnell moving to a more campaign-oriented role.
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Jun 13, 2017 17:34
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ronya posted:yes Who on earth could you imagine replacing McDonnell? Considering it has to be someone he'd actually trust to enact the manifesto. McDonnell is just too important to move on imo.
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Jun 13, 2017 17:36
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You know, I really hope the next election is in October. It'll be the 100th anniversary of the October Revolution, think of the memes! Corbs even looks a bit like Lenin if you squint, especially with that cap on.
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Jun 13, 2017 17:36
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thornberry has been on loving fire this campaign, she's massively gone up in my books
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Jun 13, 2017 17:37
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Chancellor is where you put someone whose personal loyalties you distrust but whom you do trust to be both technically competent and reasonably charismatic, since the Chancellor's ability to be Santa or Krampus is entirely dependent on the fortunes of the PM, but the Chancellor gets to/has to sell it persuasively for the PM. it's a kind of hedging - you slot someone there to make sure their ship is tied to yours, rather than risk it going up just when yours develops a leak deep personal loyalty questions are reserved for the PM's chiefs of staff and their circle of advisors these considerations aside, McDonnell is also a really great attack dog that can't be deployed when he has to play the FULLY COSTED MANIFESTO tune
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Jun 13, 2017 17:45
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The moment has passed but I wonder if May had this exact meeting with her two advisors before getting rid of them? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWjB4IDgstE Normally I'm extremely patient but why the gently caress isn't there a community which mixes Peter Calpaldis lines from the Thick of It and Dr Who? I need more of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu6jO_cxiqQ namesake fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Jun 13, 2017 17:47
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ronya posted:Chancellor is where you put someone whose personal loyalties you distrust but whom you do trust to be both technically competent and reasonably charismatic, since the Chancellor's ability to be Santa or Krampus is entirely dependent on the fortunes of the PM, but the Chancellor gets to/has to sell it persuasively for the PM. it's a kind of hedging - you slot someone there to make sure their ship is tied to yours, rather than risk it going up just when yours develops a leak Not when the entire campaign against your party is actually against you and your economics. McDonnell is 100% the fight person there, because he'll have had as much input into the manifesto as Corbyn, and will be prepared on how to action it.
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Jun 13, 2017 17:47
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/874671254250409985 Turns out the kids didn't vote, which actually is probably good for Corbyn.
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Jun 13, 2017 17:56
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peanut- posted:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/874671254250409985 That's decently better than the 2015 turnout still, it's not the over 70% golden number we were predicted to have but it's still better than the lovely 44% turnout.
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Jun 13, 2017 17:58
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I believe you'll find "young" now applies to anyone up to the age of 50.
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Jun 13, 2017 17:59
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Anyone else starting to see their Facebook feed fill up with Tories complaining about Corbyns "personal attacks" on May today? These loving people.
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Jun 13, 2017 17:59
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i think you overestimate the degree of actual macroeconomic discretion the chancellor gets to exercise, as opposed to mainly challenging subordinates on their budgets whilst towing to a fiscal line that the PM and his own coterie of advisors sets
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Jun 13, 2017 18:01
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ronya posted:Chancellor is where you put someone whose personal loyalties you distrust but whom you do trust to be both technically competent and reasonably charismatic
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Jun 13, 2017 18:01
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I thought youth turnout was something like 72%?
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Jun 13, 2017 18:01
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^^^ That was rumour and early estimates. Looks like these are official.peanut- posted:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/874671254250409985 http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout45.htm Man I'm practically salivating about the extra 5% still needed to get back to the average. It's most likely got to come from <65 and that means very good things for Labour. Being so happy about a jammy social democrat is weird but good for Jeremy Corbyn.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:02
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spectralent posted:I thought youth turnout was something like 72%? Turns out no
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Jun 13, 2017 18:02
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, if your average life expectancy predicts that you are going to be dead by the next election then you shouldn't loving vote.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:06
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I've got to say, 80+% turnout from people over 70 does kinda surprise me. A lot of people in that bracket have got to have trouble walking up the stairs let alone to a polling station. Lot of postal votes I guess?
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Jun 13, 2017 18:07
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70+ 84% gently caress off. Haven't they got anything better to do? Enjoy the last years of their life? I hope if when i'm old I can still enjoy life and I certainly won't be wasting it trying to spite young voters and steal school dinners.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:07
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learnincurve posted:I've said it before and I'll say it again, if your average life expectancy predicts that you are going to be dead by the next election then you shouldn't loving vote. Stop disenfranchising the Scottish you monster.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:08
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feedmegin posted:I've got to say, 80+% turnout from people over 70 does kinda surprise me. A lot of people in that bracket have got to have trouble walking up the stairs let alone to a polling station. Lot of postal votes I guess? Tory campaigns often provide buses to help the elderly get to polling stations. Labour started doing the same a while back as I recall.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:08
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Miftan posted:I heard they don't like it when people enter through the back side, though. Yes. Exit only.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:09
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learnincurve posted:I've said it before and I'll say it again, if your average life expectancy predicts that you are going to be dead by the next election then you shouldn't loving vote. To be fair I doubt anyone thinks like this. Even when they're 90. Mortality is not an easy concept.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:09
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feedmegin posted:I've got to say, 80+% turnout from people over 70 does kinda surprise me. A lot of people in that bracket have got to have trouble walking up the stairs let alone to a polling station. Lot of postal votes I guess? Yup. One of the things the Tories are good at is getting people postal votes - its not just for old people either, if you get someone a postal vote they're a whole lot more likely to actually vote on average than if they have to go down on the day.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:11
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Regarde Aduck posted:Mortality is not an easy concept. Well if they're struggling with it I'd just tell them, "What the policies you're about to vote for will increase." Then push em down the stairs. Nice little mortality 101 lesson.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:12
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Regarde Aduck posted:To be fair I doubt anyone thinks like this. Even when they're 90. Mortality is not an easy concept. lets just kill the old instead then 
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Jun 13, 2017 18:13
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It's still a pretty significant increase in the youth vote since 2015, and more importantly Labour is now 50 points ahead with them rather than 4. e: in a way it almost seems good, it should be possible to get even more young people voting next time.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:14
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Yes. Exit only. Are you saying the DUP likes to poo?
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Jun 13, 2017 18:14
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I was going to say who doesn't, but religious fundamentalists probably don't.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:16
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Tesseraction posted:Tory campaigns often provide buses to help the elderly get to polling stations. One of the other campaigners was telling me about a sweet little old lady saying she always phones the Tories' campaign office to ask for a lift to vote because "they've got nice comfy cars and it's about time the rich bastards gave something back". Then she votes Labour.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:17
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Miftan posted:Are you saying the DUP likes to poo? They certainly like watching Theresa May roll in theirs.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:19
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To be fair a significant but not massive increase in youth turnout is probably a good thing for Labour - it indicates their message works but the well is far from dry. One of the great things about this campaign is that it demonstrated that thousands of people were willing to come out and campaign for Corbyn when virtually nobody thought he could win. Considering what happened you'd expect even more enthusiasm next time.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:20
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peanut- posted:Turns out the kids didn't vote, which actually is probably good for Corbyn. That's a daft takeaway from this. over 55% turnout in each age bracket is good compared to the past. But without leaving us complacent, we know we need to run a similar Get Out The Vote effort in the next election. It's something to build on, and it's definitely not bad.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:21
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Some other bits of interest from YouGov:    
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Jun 13, 2017 18:24
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Regarde Aduck posted:70+ 84% They haven't, I interact with a lot of old people (most of which have chronic illnesses) for my job and they a) love a chat with you because a lot of them are bored and lonely, and b) largely do not mind our policy of not giving times for deliveries because most of them can sit in all day for at least one weekday. They have time to postal vote or mosey down to the polling station if they are able. Old people vote like poo poo but most of them do like nationalised institutions and the idea of a society that cares for the weak and vulnerable. Unfortunately they still read right wing rags in huge numbers and are easily convinced that youths and immigrants are terrorising the country and taking more than their share.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:24
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forkboy84 posted:I'm not sure if Tony Blair's attitude to the Chancellor is the only way to do it though. You want a Chancellor who fully backs your manifesto. Add in that you want a big hitter, that seriously reduces the potential replacements for McDonnell. it's a consequence of the quasi-presidential PMO, really. it was true even before Thatcher's premiership - arguably it was true as early as the mid 1960s, as the phenomenon of special advisors accelerated and the formalization of advisors directly attached to No. 10 steadily expanded the role of the Chancellor has always had something of a Discipline Master feel to it, given the nature of the role, but only more so when the PM has the manpower to hijack the discretionary aspects of the role at will
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Jun 13, 2017 18:25
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If an early election happens I wonder if the negative press will have much impact--seems like they've already exhausted their attack lines on Corbyn and the DUP deal makes the IRA thing more toothless anyway I think
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Jun 13, 2017 18:27
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This is interesting. Labour ahead with people of all employment status except retired. Reinforces the message that the Tories aren't the party of the workers they pretended to be, they're just the party of the old.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:28
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ronya posted:it's a consequence of the quasi-presidential PMO, really. it was true even before Thatcher's premiership - arguably it was true as early as the mid 1960s, as the phenomenon of special advisors accelerated and the formalization of advisors directly attached to No. 10 steadily expanded Which leaves the question of "if you're going to demote John McDonnell, who do you replace him with?" unanswered I notice. Weldon Pemberton posted:They haven't, I interact with a lot of old people (most of which have chronic illnesses) for my job and they a) love a chat with you because a lot of them are bored and lonely, and b) largely do not mind our policy of not giving times for deliveries because most of them can sit in all day for at least one weekday. They have time to postal vote or mosey down to the polling station if they are able. Can confirm. Used to work on the phones for Marks & Spencer Direct, mostly dealing with people complaining that DPD had thrown their vase over the fence rather than deliver it properly, or Yodel left their flowers on the doorstep in minus 3 weather, but you did get old dears who couldn't use computers so would phone up to make their order. Now Capita are bastards who have you needing to have a monthly average call time that is neither too long or too short, so it's great when you get a lovely, but sad & lonely old person who sits on the phone & blethers for the best part of an hour, asking your opinion on the cardigan they want to buy. Sadly I wasn't allowed to use my time on the phone with them to rally them to support socialism.
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