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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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jabby posted:This is interesting. Labour ahead with people of all employment status except retired. To win the labour party needs to figure out a way to get the Tories to go after retirement benefits...
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forkboy84 posted:Which leaves the question of "if you're going to demote John McDonnell, who do you replace him with?" unanswered I notice. I have no idea. We'll find out in the next day, I guess. e: or not; rumours are flying but they're still rumours
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Jun 13, 2017 18:35
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jabby posted:This is interesting. Labour ahead with people of all employment status except retired. The elderly retired with low education, to hammer those graphs together with a dangerous disregard for the actual data. Also wow gently caress the Torygraph, the Express and the Mail. I'm willing to let the rest of the papers die naturally but they need to be removed asap.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:36
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If the government collapses before May has been forced to quit, and we go to new elections, is May stuck as conservative leader? What if she just quits - is there an appointed successor who would lead the Tories in the absense of a full leadership contest?
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Jun 13, 2017 18:37
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dispatch_async posted:Some other bits of interest from YouGov: My generation last non-lovely generation  
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Jun 13, 2017 18:37
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Just reading this article in the Economist - I didn't realise membership of the Customs Union but not the Common Market was a thing that existed. Anyone know how this would work with regard to, for example, labour laws and subsidies? It sounds like the most politically tenable option, but surely a country could, for example, subsidise industries and/or offer very little employee protection to drive production costs down, acting as a distortion on the Common Market? In fact, just by virtue of no free movement of persons it could distort the functioning of the Common Market, as any fluctuations in the labour market of the non-Common Market state could have the same effect. It all sounds pretty incompatible with how the Common Market is supposed to function.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:39
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Regarde Aduck posted:70+ 84% Speaking of old folk the people I work with have gone from "That Corbyn wants to take away the army's bombs and give them to the Muslim Catholic extremists" to "Jeremy Corbyn should stay on as leader forever, he's proper Labour like we used to get." They're literally just swayed by whoever the press is being nice to at the moment.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:39
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waffle posted:If an early election happens I wonder if the negative press will have much impact--seems like they've already exhausted their attack lines on Corbyn and the DUP deal makes the IRA thing more toothless anyway I think I don't think there'll be anything like as much anti-Corbyn coverage after it was so ineffective the first time. Most likely they'll push the Tories as the best option on Brexit, and probably run a lot of May/Davidson/Foster booster pieces and call anyone who attacks them "misogynists".
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Jun 13, 2017 18:41
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Gonzo McFee posted:Speaking of old folk the people I work with have gone from "That Corbyn wants to take away the army's bombs and give them to the Muslim Catholic extremists" to "Jeremy Corbyn should stay on as leader forever, he's proper Labour like we used to get." Buy all the old people in your life a subscription to the Morning Star. Job done.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:42
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forkboy84 posted:Also interested to see who gets the Scotland spot & who gets Northern Ireland. Dave Anderson to stay at NI? He's retired. I'm also very interested to see who gets the shadow SoS for NI post, but it's for a specific reason. I think he or she should go and talk at the West Belfast Festival. They got Jezza in to talk in August 2015, shortly before he was elected Labour Party leader. I helped set up but ducked out of the talk due to exhaustion.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:43
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Borrovan posted:Just reading this article in the Economist - I didn't realise membership of the Customs Union but not the Common Market was a thing that existed. Anyone know how this would work with regard to, for example, labour laws and subsidies? It sounds like the most politically tenable option, but surely a country could, for example, subsidise industries and/or offer very little employee protection to drive production costs down, acting as a distortion on the Common Market? In fact, just by virtue of no free movement of persons it could distort the functioning of the Common Market, as any fluctuations in the labour market of the non-Common Market state could have the same effect. It all sounds pretty incompatible with how the Common Market is supposed to function. Sure, but the EU and the Common Market is not driven by economics alone (hello hi the Euro Greece etc etc). Turkey got that deal because letting them actually join the Common Market with freedom of movement would be politically beyond the pale but customs union throws them a bone re: eventual hope of joining someday perhaps (except lol Erdogan so hell no). If it were politically expedient for the EU to let us do that, and we wanted to do that, it could happen.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:43
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dispatch_async posted:Some other bits of interest from YouGov: Also lol at that newspapers one. gently caress Murdoch.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:46
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learnincurve posted:I've said it before and I'll say it again, if your average life expectancy predicts that you are going to be dead by the next election then you shouldn't loving vote. Denying any groups political representation makes it easier to reduce their life expectancy. Everyone should loving vote.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:46
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Julio Cruz posted:I don't think there'll be anything like as much anti-Corbyn coverage after it was so ineffective the first time. Most likely they'll push the Tories as the best option on Brexit, and probably run a lot of May/Davidson/Foster booster pieces and call anyone who attacks them "misogynists". Making the election about women's rights seems like it could backfire pretty spectacularly on them, for obvious reasons. We certainly know that Labour is now capable of that kind of rhetorical turnaround.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:47
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forkboy84 posted:Buy all the old people in your life a subscription to the Morning Star. Job done. I'll admit I've been slipping leftist messages into my bingo calls. "Death to the Bourgeois, Number 3! Vote Labour or I'm throwing this loving machine in the bin, 17"
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Jun 13, 2017 18:50
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Guavanaut posted:I'd like to see a more direct correlation between education level and socioeconomic class somewhere. Of course, there is the point that 'has a degree' and 'is young' are going to track pretty closely since back in the day like 10% of people went to uni and you didn't need a degree to get a job.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:51
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:To win the labour party needs to figure out a way to get the Tories to go after retirement benefits... The irony is that didn't even work, as evidenced by these results. The Tories still crushed it in both turnout and vote share among the elderly. The interesting development of this election might be that rather than courting the elderly you might as well write them off as a constant block of Tory voters and target all your resources/policies on the youth.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:53
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Also here's 2015 and 2010 "How they voted" polls for comparison. https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/08/general-election-2015-how-britain-really-voted/ https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2010?language_content_entity=en-uk
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Jun 13, 2017 18:54
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Sarah Bellum posted:He's retired. I'm also very interested to see who gets the shadow SoS for NI post, but it's for a specific reason. I think he or she should go and talk at the West Belfast Festival. Hadn't realised that about Anderson. I assume he got picked for the job at least partially because he'd been on the NI Affairs select committee. So I had a gander, turns out there were 2 other Labour MPs on it, Kate Hoey who s gone & Stephen Hepburn, MP for Jarrow. I know literally nothing about him & his suitability for the job. He punched a fellow Labour councillor in the 90s, that's about all his Wikipedia page has on him.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:54
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Gonzo McFee posted:I'll admit I've been slipping leftist messages into my bingo calls. Ed's way ahead of you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX36L1Zc6-s
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Jun 13, 2017 18:54
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jabby posted:The irony is that didn't even work, as evidenced by these results. The Tories still crushed it in both turnout and vote share among the elderly. We have to accept that some factor has made the elderly in the country, side with the conservatives despite all factors. Nothing will stop them voting Tory. Why? Who the gently caress knows? I get the impression a lot of them are deeply unhappy and we have a politics of spite issue.
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Jun 13, 2017 18:58
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OwlFancier posted:We actually have something like that for when people die, you fill in a form and the government sends it to the DWP and HMRC and all the government departments that might need to know. Much preferable to the rigamarole you have to through with the bloody banks. They also use it for fishing trips. When my brother died, as next of kin I got a fire and brimstone letter from HMRC threatening to drag me through the courts and all that shite. When he died he had@£30 jsa and 17 ciggies, so it promptly went in the bin, and not a peep since. However, in a delightful show of incompetence British style, the DWP sent a letter confirming a 'change of circumstance: deceased' and invited me to let them know if this status changed. They don't miss a trick, no dole for zombies.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:00
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Julio Cruz posted:I don't think there'll be anything like as much anti-Corbyn coverage after it was so ineffective the first time. Most likely they'll push the Tories as the best option on Brexit, and probably run a lot of May/Davidson/Foster booster pieces and call anyone who attacks them "misogynists". Won't work. Corbyn doesn't use personal attacks, his best slam dunker is Emily Thornberry and in general the kind of spineless scum who read the Mail / Sun think misogyny is a concept made up by PC culture gone mad.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:01
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dispatch_async posted:Some other bits of interest from YouGov: This is further proof towards as many had been speculating that the Conservative party are doomed long term. They will need to completely rebuild what the party stands for to stand any chance of governing in a decade.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:02
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ukle posted:This is further proof towards as many had been speculating that the Conservative party are doomed long term. Problem is in a decade I'll be even closer to becoming an old myself. Political time scales are ok if you're 16 and your life has barely started.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:04
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ukle posted:This is further proof towards as many had been speculating that the Conservative party are doomed long term. Let's not immediately Hillary ourselves and say demographics will mean Labour supremacy forever. Young and working people are voting for Labour because they offered them an alternative to uncertainty and poverty at work and at home; a strong economy without the building of solidarity amongst the people will just create a new wave of Tories.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:05
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Regarde Aduck posted:We have to accept that some factor has made the elderly in the country, side with the conservatives despite all factors. Nothing will stop them voting Tory. Why? Who the gently caress knows? I get the impression a lot of them are deeply unhappy and we have a politics of spite issue. They're doing it for Maggie and Winnie.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:07
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dispatch_async posted:Ed's way ahead of you About Davey Cameron eating a hot dog "Tastes better than it feels"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CLVvyJnDqY
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Jun 13, 2017 19:09
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HJB posted:They're doing it for Maggie and Winnie. Does Churchill even count?
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Jun 13, 2017 19:10
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ukle posted:This is further proof towards as many had been speculating that the Conservative party are doomed long term. Ah those under 50 will soon be over 50, and then the Conservative genes kick in.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:11
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namesake posted:Let's not immediately Hillary ourselves and say demographics will mean Labour supremacy forever. Young and working people are voting for Labour because they offered them an alternative to uncertainty and poverty at work and at home; a strong economy without the building of solidarity amongst the people will just create a new wave of Tories. Yeah, this. Demographics aren't destiny unless you put in the work to catch those voters. Besides that, an still relatively low youth turnout is actually Good For Corbyn, it means that there's plenty of room for improvement. Labour should really put some money and effort towards voter registration in expectation of a second GE while the enthusiasm is still high.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:12
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TomViolence posted:Remember the current crop of cunts are the bottom of the barrel. The ghouls, the freaks, the rejects. May herself, the pick of the runty litter, is a perpetually outraged gargoyle who falls apart under the harsh light of day, none of these moist-palmed fuckwits have their poo poo even remotely together. i liked this post
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Jun 13, 2017 19:15
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Gonzo McFee posted:Ah those under 50 will soon be over 50, and then the Conservative genes kick in. that generation have always voted tory iirc
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Jun 13, 2017 19:15
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Crosstabs for the YouGov best PM and other questions poll is on their site now. Best part is Gove's terrible figures. Even a majority of Tory voters hate him.  Good news for Labour and Corbyn is that he looks best placed to pick up non-Tory support and also the top picks for successor (i.e. Boris or Davis) are unpopular too.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:16
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dispatch_async posted:Some other bits of interest from YouGov: the torygraph indeed
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Jun 13, 2017 19:17
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https://twitter.com/jantalipinski/status/874689435786498048 LOL
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Jun 13, 2017 19:20
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Considering that a week ago an eternity of Tory government seemed likely, I'm not going to rush to declaring their death quite yet. Especially since I remember the US pol thread going on about the Republican's demographic death before the 2016 election.
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Jun 13, 2017 19:21
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Wow watching the news there, and UK inflation has gone from about 0 to 2.9% since Brexit? Brexit is gonna be tough on you lads, better start stocking up on fivers to use as toilet paper and kindling
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Jun 13, 2017 19:22
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How does the FT have such low turnout?
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Lord of the Llamas posted:How does the FT have such low turnout? It's circulation is really comparatively low.
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