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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is: This poll is closed. |
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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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To be clear here. The owners are the local council. The council is Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
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PST posted:Local councillor being very evasive when interviewed by sky. On being asked about the refurb he immediately says that that was all checked and signed off. Whoever signed that is hosed. There might be backwards and forwards accusations between the company and the council but the signature to paper person is proper hosed. If they try to say "but I didn't know better" then whoever above them is going for a tumble as well if the argument is successful. But they're still hosed. DancingShade fucked around with this message at 08:39 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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Jun 14, 2017 08:36
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WMain00 posted:As pointed out earlier, they kind of do. I live at the top of a three storey block with only one door on ground level and no fire escapes, so hopefully no fire breaks out in the communal area because i guess i'll have to jump. To make matters worse it's a converted townhouse, so the communal area wasn't designed like a bare, concrete fire proof stairwell, but is carpeted and full of junk constantly left there by tenants and which the letting agents do nothing about. Still, broken legs and a shattered pelvis from jumping 3 stories onto concrete are better than burning to death i suppose. E: and there are hundreds, maybe thousands of buildings identical to mine in Portsmouth. they usually have 9 flats so you're looking at 30-odd people per building. communism bitch fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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Jun 14, 2017 08:37
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From the pictures and video of the fire it certainly looks like there were massive flames on the outside of the building. The non-fireproof cladding on the building clearly is one of, if not the only, major cause of the fire spreading like it did. I reckon the email server for the landlord has been very recently thrown into the Thames but hopefully emails were shared externally and the guilty can be found.
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Jun 14, 2017 08:39
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communism bitch posted:I live at the top of a three storey block with only one door on ground level and no fire escapes, so hopefully no fire breaks out in the communal area because i guess i'll have to jump. To make matters worse it's a converted townhouse, so the communal area wasn't designed like a bare, concrete fire proof stairwell, but is carpeted and full of junk constantly left there by tenants and which the letting agents do nothing about. its usually the smoke that kills you so slightly less awful
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Jun 14, 2017 08:40
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communism bitch posted:I live at the top of a three storey block with only one door on ground level and no fire escapes, so hopefully no fire breaks out in the communal area because i guess i'll have to jump. To make matters worse it's a converted townhouse, so the communal area wasn't designed like a bare, concrete fire proof stairwell, but is carpeted and full of junk constantly left there by tenants and which the letting agents do nothing about. Breaking bones is always a bad experience but I'd happily break more bones if it meant I didn't have to burn to death or suffocate. Just so long as it wasn't my neck, back or skull I guess.
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Jun 14, 2017 08:40
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happyhippy posted:To be clear here. The owners are the local council. Not the property managers though. That's a private company.
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Jun 14, 2017 08:40
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Goodbye, and Good Riddance, to Centrism http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-goodbye-and-good-riddance-to-centrism-w487628 Not going to watch that  vvvv
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Jun 14, 2017 08:42
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Made the mistake of watching that video linked on the last page. gently caress.
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Jun 14, 2017 08:42
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It's not a tragedy it's a crime huh
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Jun 14, 2017 08:43
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I'm expecting very high casualties from the lack of alarm combined with the rapid spread caused by the flammable cladding. Not to mention the time of night when the most people would be at home, asleep. Hope to gently caress you UKers are sharpening your knives over this preventable
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Jun 14, 2017 08:43
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I'll take "What is Corporate Manslaughter" for 200, Alex.
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Jun 14, 2017 08:52
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 That's not how the internet works and poo poo they must know something.
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Jun 14, 2017 08:52
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I'm sure attempting to destroy records will look good in their trial. Fuckheads.
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Jun 14, 2017 08:54
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communism bitch posted:I live at the top of a three storey block with only one door on ground level and no fire escapes, so hopefully no fire breaks out in the communal area because i guess i'll have to jump.  Edit: I want to ask how much responsibility the actual construction company has in addition to the owners to independently ensure their work is up to fire standards but haha who am I kidding I'm sure it's nil.
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Jun 14, 2017 08:56
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http://www.rydon.co.uk/who-we-are/leadership Rydon corp. One or more of these will be in jail soon. http://www.rydon.co.uk/news/rydon-lands-grenfell-tower-refurbishment- Their page on Grenfell
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Jun 14, 2017 08:57
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look at me, i'm an expert on residential cladding (i am not an expert on cladding)
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Jun 14, 2017 08:58
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I'm sure attempting to destroy records will look good in their trial. Fuckheads. https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/874891059129724929 
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Jun 14, 2017 08:58
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TACD posted:Fortunately this isn't a decision I'll ever have to make because we don't even have any windows that actually open, just some weird angled slats that let in some air Presumably you have a fire extinguisher in your apartment, in the event of a major conflagration you'd be better served putting that through a window and getting out
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Jun 14, 2017 09:00
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The internet never forgets. Once the shock wears off there are going to be a shitload of very angry people, if they aren't already.
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Jun 14, 2017 09:01
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From a few pages back and not fire related but I work for a smaller energy supplier and want to clear a couple of things up.Jedit posted:Power companies are known to ignore smart meter reads if it suits them. I have never heard of this at all, it seems ridiculous to me because smart meter reads are accurate and we want accurate reads so badly. We'd be creating more work and more problems if we just decided to ignore accurate reads. There's never a time where ignoring a more accurate read 'suits' us, it just doesn't happen. baka kaba posted:*generalises wildly* right now it's a system where, say you're with British Gas, you can get a smart meter display that talks to the electric and gas meters to get their readings, and then it passes this on to a network device that sends the data over a sort of mobile phone connection to your supplier The first type of smart meters that have been rolled out - SMETS1 - are a bit poo poo in that yeah if you change supplier they can't be used as smart meters with the new supplier, but they can still be used as dumb meters. You can still read off reads from the display and submit them yourself. If for some reason you can't do that, that's not normal and I would get your supplier to exchange the meter for you. The next rollout of the newer smart meters - SMETS2 - are much better and are designed to work between suppliers so you won't need to do anything when you change suppliers, and they'll work as smart meters every time you switch. These are all supposed to be rolled out by 2020 so it'll be a while yet, and there definitely will be some teething problems but for sure they are objectively better than dumb meters, because people always forget to submit reads themselves which makes loads more problems. It is down to the suppliers to roll out smart meters themselves to customers who want them so yeah if your supplier isn't proactive about it then it'll just hold everyone else up. Luckily the supplier I work for is pretty cool and we've been on the ball for a few years now and are a little ahead of the curve. I don't know much about the security and vulnerabilities of smart meters so can't really comment on that. Aphex- fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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Jun 14, 2017 09:02
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I guarantee you that some 50+ shithead sociopath of a bossman told some underling to "remove that stuff from the webpage right now" and the underling going "uh, well sir, that's not really something that will work..." and the bossman going " I don't care, just do it" because they simply don't understand that that can't be done. It doesn't work. The internet doesn't work like that. Sometimes I really like that fact that all these powerful professional figures are too stupid to learn basic internet things and too arrogant to listen to experts on it.
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Jun 14, 2017 09:02
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ronya posted:look at me, i'm an expert on residential cladding None of us are, that's why we have to trust that the companies responsible are and have our safety as their primary concern. and that the government is willing and able to enforce that.
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Jun 14, 2017 09:02
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They are turbofucked, although undoubtedly the wrong people will be the ones who go to prison.
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Jun 14, 2017 09:05
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Vitamin P posted:None of us are, that's why we have to trust that the companies responsible are and have our safety as their primary concern. and that the government is willing and able to enforce that. Hahahaha. Capitalism is a joke where the only punchline is profits and people dying. That being said, does anybody actually KNOW what happened it? Someone probably balls'd it up, but we don't know who or why, right?
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Jun 14, 2017 09:05
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Isn't it Government policy to encourage refurbs like this when they create more flats? Tax breaks and such like. It might just be for commercial property conversions. I remember thinking it was a license to build slums when it was announced. Rare I can't actually watch the news. Heartbreaking stuff.
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Jun 14, 2017 09:05
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farraday posted:Feel free to point out anything that says having one fire exit is okay. I'll wait here as per your instructions. If the bottom of the building is on fire because you didn't built it to compartmentalize the fire, it doesn't matter how many stairwells you have, because they're all on fire.
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DancingShade posted:Breaking bones is always a bad experience but I'd happily break more bones if it meant I didn't have to burn to death or suffocate. Hang from the window sill and push yourself slightly away from the building as you jump. As you fall, ensure your knees are slightly bent with your feet directly below you but *do not* point your toes. Put your arms either side of your head with your elbows level with your nose and your forearms covering the top of your head. All this guarantees that injuries will tend to be to the long bones and simple fractures, using your tib, fib and femur as crumple zones to protect your spine and your arms to protect your skull. (I don't actually know how good any of this advice is but I vividly remember it being drilled into us in Cubs if we ever did need to jump out of a tall building)
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Jun 14, 2017 09:06
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Nothing has ever been erased off the internet, except that video of that teenager abusing a cat.
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Jun 14, 2017 09:06
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Im seeing comments elsewhere suggesting it's the same type of aluminium cladding (or similar) to that which contributed to a massive fire in an Australian tower block a few years back.
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Jun 14, 2017 09:06
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Can't go offending those property developers and management companies: http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/government-delay-in-reviewing-fire-safety-regulations-putting-tower-blocks-at-risk/7019083.article
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Jun 14, 2017 09:06
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look at me, i'm an expert on civil and statutory liability (i am not an expert on civil and statutory liability) before grabbing a pitchfork may I suggest at least waiting for some manner of inquiry to be published
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communism bitch posted:Im seeing comments elsewhere suggesting it's the same type of aluminium cladding (or similar) to that which contributed to a massive fire in an Australian tower block a few years back. if it is its caused fires in more places than just australia
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Jun 14, 2017 09:07
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Presumably you have a fire extinguisher in your apartment, in the event of a major conflagration you'd be better served putting that through a window and getting out Edit: Miftan posted:Hahahaha. Capitalism is a joke where the only punchline is profits and people dying. That being said, does anybody actually KNOW what happened it? Someone probably balls'd it up, but we don't know who or why, right? TACD fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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Jun 14, 2017 09:09
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Hang from the window sill and push yourself slightly away from the building as you jump. As you fall, ensure your knees are slightly bent with your feet directly below you but *do not* point your toes. Put your arms either side of your head with your elbows level with your nose and your forearms covering the top of your head. My personal experience is that arms are fantastic at breaking your falls and as ultimately sacrificial limbs. The arms need a bit of repair work afterwards though. (good thing I did all my dumb falls as a kid when I healed fast)
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Jun 14, 2017 09:09
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gently caress me this is horrible news to wake up to. Those poor people. 
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Jun 14, 2017 09:10
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Aphex- posted:From a few pages back and not fire related but I work for a smaller energy supplier and want to clear a couple of things up. I reckon you're at Ovo because when I worked there they were rolling out smart meters disastrously and then it turned out people were switching and their smart meter which had taken six months to get installed didn't work as intended any more. Also they kept hooking up meters in places where they couldn't get signal, then relying on rolling out a signal-booster which didn't yet exist to make the whole thing usable. Agreed though, energy companies are dying for accurate, reliable meter readings because loving about with over/under estimation and rebilling is a huge waste of time and money.
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ronya posted:look at me, i'm an expert on civil and statutory liability I'd find it hard to care if someone lynched the wrong scum property developer/landlord as collateral.
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Jun 14, 2017 09:11
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TACD posted:It's only just occurred to me that this is the first flat I've lived in for many years that isn't fitted with an extinguisher and/or fire blanket. I'm going to find out what the regulations are for that, I'm sure other places aren't providing them out of the goodness of their hearts. poo poo, I don't either. Please post what you find!
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Miftan posted:Hahahaha. Capitalism is a joke where the only punchline is profits and people dying. That being said, does anybody actually KNOW what happened it? Someone probably balls'd it up, but we don't know who or why, right? if it turns out that some idiot deliberately started a fire, it is quite likely this will remove liability from the builder, even if said builder used gasoline and candle wax to line the walls
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