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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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coffeetable posted:I made these a while back, and you might find them useful.
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SpaceCadetBob posted:I'm an American that works in the fire protection construction industry. No they're not required so not common in new builds. And this is a very old tower anyway. Question though. If the fire has as it seems spread up the exterior of the building, would sprinklers help much?
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Jun 14, 2017 15:02
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Things are going great with the DUP it seems: https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/874971593604202501
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Jun 14, 2017 15:02
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blowfish posted:ie a very good and effective corporation Yeah but I mean they could have waited until the cinders had cooled before rushing to their screaming shareholder's cots and shoving their loving money tit in their faces.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:03
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Gum posted:Probably their best option at this point Swapping from homophobia to racism probably won't help the Lib Dems.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:04
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I have a mate who has been a Green Party member for ten years. He even stood (unsuccessfully) as a local councillor. Due to the manifesto and the good noises Absolute Boy is making he is leaving the greens to join Labour. A Blairite I know is making GBS threads up the guys FB post saying he won't be allowed to join for 5 years. Is this bullshit? I thought we wanted to get more people in.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:05
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CptAwesome posted:Yeah but I mean they could have waited until the cinders had cooled before rushing to their screaming shareholder's cots and shoving their loving money tit in their faces. By that point the shareholders might've tanked the company value! The trick is to get in there and reassure them that their money is safe to distract them from the live footage of babies being thrown out of the 9th floor of the burning building - the building that is probably burning at least partially because the shareholders' endless screeching for profit can only be satiated by cutting costs! communism bitch fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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TheRat posted:Things are going great with the DUP it seems: Who knew that mental Irish fundies would be difficult to get on with?
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StoicFnord posted:I have a mate who has been a Green Party member for ten years. He even stood (unsuccessfully) as a local councillor. Of course it's bullshit. 2 seconds of Googling would disprove it.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:07
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StoicFnord posted:I have a mate who has been a Green Party member for ten years. He even stood (unsuccessfully) as a local councillor. it's bullshit
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Jun 14, 2017 15:08
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TACD posted:These are really impressive, I don't know how you made them but if it's at all possible to automate then you could make a really useful website / app / thing. it's automated and the code's on github (pm me if you want a link). while i'd love to make something along the lines you're suggesting, i have a dozen other projects with a higher reward-to-effort ratio
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Jun 14, 2017 15:09
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Zephro posted:I think most new builds have them. New houses in Wales apparently also have to come with sprinklers. People have been suggesting they be retrofitted to old properties but the government has been resisting. It's also recently decided that there's no need to have sprinklers in schools, presumably after another drug-fuelled communion with Satan or however it is they make policy these days. It's a bit spotty, quite a few places have sprinklers in communal areas because it's marginally cheaper than compartmentalising, but sprinkler systems actually inside dwellings are a bit of a nightmare because for every fire a sprinkler prevents you have about 20 accidental triggerings, which of course destroy everything non-waterproof in the room. Also sprinkler heads are ugly as poo poo and people are reluctant to have the in their homes. (Rather more darkly I've always worried about the rules saying sprinkler-equipped buildings can skip some of the other buildings requirements - one good thing about the old way of ding it was that it required basically zero maintenance outside the normal structural maintenance cycle, but sprinklers do need regular maintenance and testing and guess what's likely to be cut five years down the line?)
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Jun 14, 2017 15:10
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Cerv posted:Question though. If the fire has as it seems spread up the exterior of the building, would sprinklers help much? Not at that point but sprinklers are mostly about stopping a fire before it begins to spread
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Jedit posted:Swapping from homophobia to racism probably won't help the Lib Dems. I dunno, worked for UKIP 2006->2014.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:11
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Gum posted:Probably their best option at this point Jo Swinson is back now so she is probably the best bet of some slim pickings. StoicFnord posted:I have a mate who has been a Green Party member for ten years. He even stood (unsuccessfully) as a local councillor. If you have stood against the Labour party as an opposition candidate the CLP will need to vote to accept them into the party. Unsurprisingly, while Labour likes to make a lot of noises about being a broad church, this inevitably actually means that people (read. liberals) are a massive pain in the arse about letting people from the left in while being fine with people coming in from the right. We had a massive blowup in my constituency over letting the 2015 Green parliamentary candidate into the party - eventually he was let in, but narrowly and with a host of protests from the right of the CLP. This guy then went on to make an extremely effective post on Facebook during the election exhorting Green voters to come over to Labour, and the Green vote in Broxtowe more than halved. I think it will probably be easier about now, since a bunch of Labour right wingers have basically stopped turning up to meetings at this point (at least in my area). I wouldn't be surprised if there was a battle about it though.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:11
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Baron Corbyn posted:it's kinda adorable that a party with fewer MPs than the cabinet itself pretends to have a front and a back bench. bring in Big Ed Davey imo
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Jun 14, 2017 15:13
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After reading the accounts of reports being delayed, MPs voting down housing quality bills, and seeing the footage of Boris being a dick about fire service cuts, I feel even more correct when I say that Tories are cunts.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:16
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Mu. posted:I was, for some reason, under the impression that Philip Davies lost his seat last week. I am wildly disappointed to learn this is not the case. Same here, how terribly annoying. And checking now, he was 5k clear so the odds aren't great for the next stab at it either. Pah.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:16
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Sprinklers in residential dwellings are a bit of nightmare as people have said, and probably a red herring in this case. Compartmentalisation loving works, that's why we have many fires in flats and they almost never spread beyond the fire resistant boundaries. Problems only arise when you use lovely contractors who hack big holes in all the fire breaks to install a heating system and then clad the building in loving kindling. If this block had been in original 1970s condition you can guarantee this fire would not have spread and this tragedy wouldn't have occurred.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:17
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Thanks to everyone who responded. The guy is a real activist who works bloody hard in campaigning and would be a real boon, so I'm wanting to make sure he gets in smoothly.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:18
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Baron Corbyn posted:it's kinda adorable that a party with fewer MPs than the cabinet itself pretends to have a front and a back bench. To be fair, Paddick is apparently in the Lords, where the Lib Dems have quite a few members.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:19
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Of course it's bullshit. 2 seconds of Googling would disprove it. It's probably okay now but last year in the run up to the leadership contest, weren't McNicol and chums purging as many new members they could find and using things precisely like that to justify denying membership? People who were suspended for being members of other parties, daring to have ever tweeted something negative about Labour MPs prior to Corbyn's election, etc
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Jun 14, 2017 15:21
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jabby posted:Sprinklers in residential dwellings are a bit of nightmare as people have said, and probably a red herring in this case. Compartmentalisation loving works, that's why we have many fires in flats and they almost never spread beyond the fire resistant boundaries. Problems only arise when you use lovely contractors who hack big holes in all the fire breaks to install a heating system and then clad the building in loving kindling. Its more than just the sprinklers: Its lack of proper fire escapes (single set of stairs) and badly informed emergency instructions that told people to wait in their apartments instead of evactuating.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:21
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StoicFnord posted:Thanks to everyone who responded. The guy is a real activist who works bloody hard in campaigning and would be a real boon, so I'm wanting to make sure he gets in smoothly. I defected from the Greens to Labour after Corbyn won the leadership in 2015, the difficulty will be depending on your local CLP. Mine was pro-Corbyn and welcomed any interested member to the fold.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:23
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CommieGIR posted:Its more than just the sprinklers: Its lack of proper fire escapes (single set of stairs) and badly informed emergency instructions that told people to wait in their apartments instead of evactuating.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:27
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I think to echo what was posted earlier, you've got a 70s building designed to work in a certain way, and then completely hosed that up by changing how it reacts in a fire.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:34
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Yeah if the compartmentalization works properly it contains the fire and slows its spread enough for the fire service to be notified and extinguish it. Doesn't work so well if you stuffed the building with inflammable material that bypasses all the firebreaks.
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Tory minister warning against beefing up fire safety rules to include sprinklers because it could discourage house building
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Jun 14, 2017 15:44
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Jesus, the Graun's saying they believe Grenfell had between 400 and 600 residents in 120 units. That means a lot of families with kids, doesn't it? 
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Jun 14, 2017 15:45
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Tesseraction posted:Tory minister warning against beefing up fire safety rules to include sprinklers because it could discourage house building communism bitch posted:How can we expect to encourage captains of industry to build more
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Jun 14, 2017 15:48
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CommieGIR posted:Its more than just the sprinklers: Its lack of proper fire escapes (single set of stairs) and badly informed emergency instructions that told people to wait in their apartments instead of evactuating. People have already said, but these things aren't a problem (and the advice is good advice) if the compartmentalisation works. Yes if you were building a totally new block of flats you might want to include more fire escapes, but if you have an existing 70s building you need to respect how it works and not gently caress it up.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:48
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Tesseraction posted:Tory minister warning against beefing up fire safety rules to include sprinklers because it could discourage house building Eric Pickles rejected having information available about each building to firefighters. Jesus loving christ.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:53
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Thanks Ants posted:Eric Pickles rejected having information available about each building to firefighters. Jesus loving christ. i loathe that fat fucker
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Jun 14, 2017 15:55
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Thanks Ants posted:Eric Pickles rejected having information available about each building to firefighters. Jesus loving christ. Look if you go around giving fire prevention professionals access to the fire-relevant information about these buildings they might feel the need to tell people they're not fire safe. We can't have that.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:56
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Thanks Ants posted:Eric Pickles rejected having information available about each building to firefighters. Jesus loving christ. October election looking good for the unelectable Labour party.
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quote:Mr Lewis told MPs: "We believe that it is the responsibility of the fire industry, rather than the Government, to market fire sprinkler systems effectively and to encourage their wider installation."
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Jun 14, 2017 15:56
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communism bitch posted:I hate it when my slightly over-exaggerated parody posts are bang on the mark. 
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Jun 14, 2017 15:57
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Apraxin posted:Jesus, the Graun's saying they believe Grenfell had between 400 and 600 residents in 120 units. That means a lot of families with kids, doesn't it? Either that or lots of (probably illegal) subletting.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:58
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communism bitch posted:Hahaha what a bunch of cunts. Let the paups burn. The loving fire industry.
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Brandon Lewis posted:We believe that it is the responsibility of the fire industry, rather than the Government, to market fire sprinkler systems effectively and to encourage their wider installation. I'm going to start a line of "sorry your child is dead but the fire industry did not market the benefits of fire protection to me, a landlord, hard enough" sympathy cards. That have contact poison on because caveat emptor.
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