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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Owlkill posted:Is there a time limit on how long this can go on for? Not if Theresa May keeps burning down blocks of flats to extend it there isn't. One wonders if her inability to perform the simplest of group activities in time in Paris wasn't actually a calculated manoeuvre to establish a heavily photographed alibi.
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Mugsbaloney posted:I live next to the grand lodge in Glasgow and some fucker practices penny whistle without fail at 9 every week night and combined with the weekend marches it is driving me loving insane Have you got a snooker ball and an old sports sock?
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Jun 14, 2017 21:59
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Breakin to the grand lodge, hide loudspeakers everywhere and put on some fine music* when they are all in the lodge. *Fine music being how being gay is good.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:02
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Namtab posted:That's not what sos means As it's sent as a constant procedural, you can also write it as SMB and remember it as Save My Balls.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:03
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Extreme0 posted:Breakin to the grand lodge, hide loudspeakers everywhere and put on some fine music* when they are all in the lodge. WELCOME TO RADIO WOLFTONES, THAT WAS BLACK AND TANS, UP NEXT, BLACK AND TANS
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Jun 14, 2017 22:06
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The average time to form a coalition government in western Europe is like 40 days so this could take some time tbh - the Tory/Lib deal was remarkably fast and the Libs got dragged over hot coals for folding to the Tories on so many issues that even though this is only a confidence & supply deal they will probably try to lengthen the negotiations out for a bit. I wouldn't piss over the time it's taking though considering Labour will probably have to go through a similar process
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Jun 14, 2017 22:06
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kustomkarkommando posted:The average time to form a coalition government in western Europe is like 40 days so this could take some time tbh - the Tory/Lib deal was remarkably fast and the Libs got dragged over hot coals for folding to the Tories on so many issues that even though this is only a confidence & supply deal they will probably try to lengthen the negotiations out for a bit. Labour wouldn't want a coalition but if they're smart they'll already be in talks with the SNP, Greens, PC, and the lib dems so when their turn comes they can do it in a couple of days.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:08
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Presumably if the DUP are playing a much bigger role in parliament the post of Shadow NI secretary becomes more significant? The more I hear about the Glenfell tower the angrier I get. Like someone said up thread, it seems like the perfect storm of everthing wrong with capitalism. Is there anywhere to donate to help?
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Jun 14, 2017 22:09
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Miftan posted:Labour wouldn't want a coalition but if they're smart they'll already be in talks with the SNP, Greens, PC, and the lib dems so when their turn comes they can do it in a couple of days. Yeah, I imagine at this point Labour just want another election
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Jun 14, 2017 22:12
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Miftan posted:Labour wouldn't want a coalition but if they're smart they'll already be in talks with the SNP, Greens, PC, and the lib dems so when their turn comes they can do it in a couple of days. Well this technically isn't a coalition - any confidence agreement made before an election may not be worth the paper it's written on depending on how the seats fall as well (considering these parties are all actively competing against each other and an electoral pact seems unlikely), one party could find it's hand surprisingly strengthened or surprisingly weaker than expected and the lack of formality of any back room deal which i doubt would be broadcast publicly would probably mean negotiations would have to recommence after the election. Like i'm sure the SNP, eager to win votes back from Labour after a bruising election, will pull teeth if they find themselves in a position to do it
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Jun 14, 2017 22:12
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Collateral posted:The only other real candidates are Ed Davey and Jo Swinton. I don't mind a return to, say a nostalgia for, another Scottish Jo to lead the revival of the party. Jo Swinson is a full on career politican to an extent that I, for one, find pretty creepy. Yes she's a lady but so is Theresa May, so is Ruth Davidson, and so was Margaret Thatcher, it may be a change but it doesn't really feel like a positive aspect.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:13
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So I just got home after not being able to check the news since midday and apparently this fire is still going? What the actual gently caress?
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Jun 14, 2017 22:13
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Labour doesn't really need to be making pre-emptive negotiations.The Tories and DUP do have a combined majority so if it came upon Labour to propose a Queen's Speech it clearly couldn't pass. This is frankly the ideal outcome anyway because it would necessitate another election, which all indications imply Corbyn would stomp.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:15
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Rarity posted:So I just got home after not being able to check the news since midday and apparently this fire is still going? What the actual gently caress? It's got enough oxygen, fuel and heat to keep going for a while. The WTC supposedly burned for months.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:17
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But going into a minority government without any agreements on supply is going to open you up for a world of hurt come budget time
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Jun 14, 2017 22:17
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What are the positives of british rail being renationalixrd? Under corbyn im assuming the rail stations will be manned aith old timey billy club wielding constables
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Jun 14, 2017 22:18
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LeoMarr posted:What are the positives of british rail being renationalixrd? Under corbyn im assuming the rail stations will be manned aith old timey billy club wielding constables The taxpayer will to get to keep the profits as well as subsidising the losses?
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Jun 14, 2017 22:19
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Stupid question: what would happen if a few Tories voted to support a Labour queen's speech with the intent of dragging Corbyn through the mud of an unworkable minority government for a bit before the inevitable election?
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Jun 14, 2017 22:19
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Party Boat posted:It's got enough oxygen, fuel and heat to keep going for a while. The WTC supposedly burned for months. Thermite paint will do that.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:20
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Rarity posted:So I just got home after not being able to check the news since midday and apparently this fire is still going? What the actual gently caress? https://twitter.com/Silva/status/875045607903289347
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Jun 14, 2017 22:21
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pumpinglemma posted:Stupid question: what would happen if a few Tories voted to support a Labour queen's speech with the intent of dragging Corbyn through the mud of an unworkable minority government for a bit before the inevitable election?
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Jun 14, 2017 22:22
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pumpinglemma posted:Stupid question: what would happen if a few Tories voted to support a Labour queen's speech with the intent of dragging Corbyn through the mud of an unworkable minority government for a bit before the inevitable election? They could abstain and do that if they wanted to - It would be pretty extreme and could backfire with good Labour messaging targeting Tory wrecking playing games with the economic health of the state/the future of the country, though If they a muster a majority to block the repeal of the FTPA/EVEL he would be completely hamstrung for 5 years in a slow motion death by a thousand needles scenario
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Jun 14, 2017 22:22
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pumpinglemma posted:Stupid question: what would happen if a few Tories voted to support a Labour queen's speech with the intent of dragging Corbyn through the mud of an unworkable minority government for a bit before the inevitable election? It would be a risky bet because what is to say Corbyn that can't convince some of the Tory left to defy a whip in rebellion to May on issues. The Tory whip offices are already full of MPs making lists of pork barrel demands to stop them bringing the government down because the government is weak. A hung parliament is one of the times they can really make demands, and Corbyn can make them offers of pork they would bite for too.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:24
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We could face a British equivalent of the government shut down stand off basically
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Jun 14, 2017 22:24
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StoicFnord posted:Posted this in the election thread, but relevant : We sold a bunch of firefighters so we could level up the ones we have left, it's a pro strat dontchaknow 
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Jun 14, 2017 22:25
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kustomkarkommando posted:They could abstain and do that if they wanted to - It would be pretty extreme and could backfire with good Labour messaging targeting Tory wrecking playing games with the economic health of the state/the future of the country, though If they a muster a majority to block the repeal of the FTPA/EVEL he would be completely hamstrung for 5 years in a slow motion death by a thousand needles scenario Even if they did that Corbs could call for a vote of no confidence in his government and force an election that way. If they actually got a majority to vote confidence in him then he could just refuse to put forward a budget and collapse the government that way. They couldn't really force him to continue governing without making themselves look like absolutely poison to the electorate.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:26
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The last thing Labour wants is to try and actually govern right now they need a new election ASAP to win a majority.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:28
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pumpinglemma posted:Stupid question: what would happen if a few Tories voted to support a Labour queen's speech with the intent of dragging Corbyn through the mud of an unworkable minority government for a bit before the inevitable election? They'd lose their seats next election so it isn't going to happen.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:29
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pumpinglemma posted:Stupid question: what would happen if a few Tories voted to support a Labour queen's speech with the intent of dragging Corbyn through the mud of an unworkable minority government for a bit before the inevitable election?
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Jun 14, 2017 22:32
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jabby posted:Even if they did that Corbs could call for a vote of no confidence in his government and force an election that way. If they actually got a majority to vote confidence in him then he could just refuse to put forward a budget and collapse the government that way. They couldn't really force him to continue governing without making themselves look like absolutely poison to the electorate. They can abstain on the confidence issue, allowing him to stay in, all you need to do is throw out some guff about how its too early for another election and Brexit is too soon. Refusing to put forward a budget and not resigning would be a constitutional crisis - the novelties the FTPA brought in regards to excluding budget defeats from grounds for dissolution of parliament would probably force us into the territory of the civil service running through their drawn down money for a month or two with no new budget, with the possible threat of a whitehall default holding budget.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:32
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I browse mobile usually, when did everybody get these sweet gang tags? I assume like June 9th?
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Jun 14, 2017 22:32
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:They are, in that they are ringing around every hotel in the local area trying to find beds for those displaced, while close to 2000 properties in the borough remain empty lol, 2000 is a huge underestimation at this point
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Jun 14, 2017 22:34
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Namtab posted:That's not what sos means yeah I know, it's secretary of state. I was making A Joke
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Jun 14, 2017 22:35
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Renaissance Robot posted:I browse mobile usually, when did everybody get these sweet gang tags? Something like that 
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Jun 14, 2017 22:35
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kustomkarkommando posted:They can abstain on the confidence issue, allowing him to stay in, all you need to do is throw out some guff about how its too early for another election and Brexit is too soon. Refusing to put forward a budget and not resigning would be a constitutional crisis - the novelties the FTPA brought in regards to excluding budget defeats from grounds for dissolution of parliament would probably force us into the territory of the civil service running through their drawn down money for a month or two with no new budget, with the possible threat of a whitehall default holding budget. It would be a ridiculous farce and pretty much everyone in the country would see the Tories trying to prevent another election while also holding up the work of government. Then as soon as the election happened they'd get crushed. So I strongly doubt they'd try it.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:36
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kustomkarkommando posted:They can abstain on the confidence issue, allowing him to stay in, all you need to do is throw out some guff about how its too early for another election and Brexit is too soon. Refusing to put forward a budget and not resigning would be a constitutional crisis - the novelties the FTPA brought in regards to excluding budget defeats from grounds for dissolution of parliament would probably force us into the territory of the civil service running through their drawn down money for a month or two with no new budget, with the possible threat of a whitehall default holding budget. If the opposition refused a general election wouldn't Corbyn just put forward a really populist budget and give them a choice between a rock and a hard place? (multiple levels of hypotheticals at this point though).
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Jun 14, 2017 22:37
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Extreme0 posted:Breakin to the grand lodge, hide loudspeakers everywhere and put on some fine music* when they are all in the lodge. We actually did a version of this once. Back in the late 80s  had a top floor flat at the top of Leith Walk (Elm Row with Gayfield Police Station across the road) we were having a band practice and heard all this noise coming from outside. Looked out the windows and there's an Orange March coming up Leith Walk. So we stuck some PA speakers (muso joke - it was an Orange system  ) out on the window ledges and joined in with what can only be described as pychedelic oompa-oompa band nonsense.About 10 minutes in the door intercom buzzed, the Police wanted to know what we were doing - I didn't hear the conversation but whichever of us it was persuaded them to let us play as long as the march was passing if we stopped after. So we turned the volume up and kept going.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:37
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vodkat posted:lol, 2000 is a huge underestimation at this point that was just a number I saw bandied about earlier in the thread. Also, someone should make a twitter account "Every Time The Sun Is Told To Get To gently caress" https://twitter.com/moiness/status/875095670805475338
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Jun 14, 2017 22:38
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jabby posted:It would be a ridiculous farce and pretty much everyone in the country would see the Tories trying to prevent another election while also holding up the work of government. Then as soon as the election happened they'd get crushed. So I strongly doubt they'd try it. If they claim to be seeking amendments on only certain issues and leave several chunks of the budget uncontested it could be a staring match, banking on a Labour refusal to meet them halfway and plunging the country into shutdown would polarise voters - appeals to bipartisanship, guff about being willing to work but facing closed doors, stuff about the national consensus. It would be massive political gamble but it could possibly not backfire on them
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kustomkarkommando posted:The average time to form a coalition government in western Europe is like 40 days so this could take some time tbh
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