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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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So at this stage I imagine the only thing to do is wait it out. Pretty clear nobody left inside is going to be alive by now. Given the size of it I'd now be getting worried about the structural stability - if it decided to collapse it would make things 10x worse than they already are.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:41
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fair play to the jam man for showing mercy to Owen Smith
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Jun 14, 2017 23:42
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Steve2911 posted:That just seems insane to me. Days? The record for the longest burning fire is the coal seam fire under Mount Wingen. 5,500 years and counting
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Jun 14, 2017 23:42
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Oscar Romeo Romeo posted:Very possible. Think of all the combustible materials inside those flats. To add, most if not all of the windows are now out, providing a constant supply of oxygen from the outside world into the building. In addition to this its a high rise, the wind blowing through those blown out windows will lap up any smouldering embers and potentially stir up further fires within the building, another problem LFB face after getting the main beast of the fire under control are further small pocket fires starting up again. The chap posting earlier and designated UKMT Fire Commissioner can explain it much better than me. e: ^^ And up it to the size of a mountain and things just get crazy.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:44
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JosefStalinator posted:Also remember that even after the fires stop, firefighters might need to assess whether its safe to ever go inside, as the fires could weaken it to the point of collapse (if it hasn't already by then). Weirdly it's likely to be fine. Firefighters were commenting on TV about how the concrete core construction is extremely fire resistant, and that they don't have any concerns about the buildings structural integrity even now. Say what you like about the building, they built it right in the 70s. It took our modern day level of hubris and greed to totally gently caress up all the carefully designed protection and bring about this disaster.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:45
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Comrade Cheggorsky posted:fair play to the jam man for showing mercy to Owen Smith in true dbz fashion, he made his former rival his friend
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Jun 14, 2017 23:47
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ThomasPaine posted:So at this stage I imagine the only thing to do is wait it out. Pretty clear nobody left inside is going to be alive by now. Given the size of it I'd now be getting worried about the structural stability - if it decided to collapse it would make things 10x worse than they already are. There's confidence it won't collapse now, I think. Imagine the job the recovery/identification/investigation people now have though. Jesus.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:50
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Emergency services isn't something that you're should scrimp on or cut to the bone. Yeah fine normal operations it looks like all that extra capacity is just wasting money, but when something like this or the London Bridge attacks happens then you quickly need all the capacity you can get. Unoccupied firefighters, ambulances, or police are your insurance policy not a political cost saving opportunity. This whole situation feels like the tragic culmination of austerity politics, and hearing from the people who have missing friends or family is absolutely heartbreaking.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:52
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TheHoodedClaw posted:There's confidence it won't collapse now, I think. Imagine the job the recovery/identification/investigation people now have though. Jesus. Going to be grim work for the poor bastards who have to go up there and start sifting through the wreckage. Like actual harrowing stuff I don't think you could ever unsee. I'm never comfortable with this weird semi-deification of the forces/services we have a lot in the UK but I can honestly only take my hat off to those guys. Huge respect.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:56
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Gum posted:The record for the longest burning fire is the coal seam fire under Mount Wingen. 5,500 years and counting I just looked this up and good lord, I thought Centralia was crazy enough, this is just absolutely batshit. I'm beyond understanding the physics that would let this poo poo burn for this length of time. Kurtofan posted:in true dbz fashion, he made his former rival his friend If Owen Smith doesn't show up to next Parliament wearing yellow trousers and a pink shirt saying "BADMAN" then he can get right back out
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Jun 14, 2017 23:57
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Can't imagine they're not going to tear it down after this.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:57
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Mister Adequate posted:I just looked this up and good lord, I thought Centralia was crazy enough, this is just absolutely batshit. I'm beyond understanding the physics that would let this poo poo burn for this length of time. Lots of fuel, not a lot of oxygen
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Jun 15, 2017 00:00
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WeAreTheRomans posted:This place in Turkmenistan has been on fire for half a century That's rad as gently caress though.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:03
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JosefStalinator posted:Also remember that even after the fires stop, firefighters might need to assess whether its safe to ever go inside, as the fires could weaken it to the point of collapse (if it hasn't already by then).
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Jun 15, 2017 00:05
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Renaissance Robot posted:I browse mobile usually, when did everybody get these sweet gang tags? I couldn't get one because my libellous red text was too long and I didn't want to ruin its majesty. Sorry Jezza.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:05
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"More like bollocknese" is a great line tbf
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Jun 15, 2017 00:09
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Will the British public in general ever wake up to the monster feeding on their blood? Will this do it?
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Jun 15, 2017 00:10
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oh please give me a gangtag I've never even had an av before lol
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Jun 15, 2017 00:19
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ThomasPaine posted:oh please give me a gangtag I've never even had an av before lol  You need to annoy more people my friend.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:22
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ThomasPaine posted:oh please give me a gangtag I've never even had an av before lol 8 years without spending a penny on avs. insane...
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Jun 15, 2017 00:23
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Mighty Steed posted:Emergency services isn't something that you're should scrimp on or cut to the bone. But if anybody took the time to look at just what the emergency services do during, 'normal' operations they'd know that nobody is ever really unoccupied. The Fire Service tackle much more than fires. They frequently assist Police and Paramedics during incidents not involving fire. Example: RTC requiring assistance of Fire Service kit and expertise in safely getting an injured person out of a wreck. Community Safety events. Remember chip pan fire demonstrations in school yards? Door knocks to give general safety advice? Regular inspections into not only large residential structures but commercial structures to ensure safety regulations are adhered to in order to help prevent further potential catastrophes? Last one does still happen in the commercial sector AFAIK but I remember in the last few years I worked retail before leaving I did notice our fire inspections went from being once every quarter to once a year... if they could manage it.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:23
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ThomasPaine posted:oh please give me a gangtag I've never even had an av before lol A mere $5 investment would have yielded enormous dividends in advancing your personal posting brand. Or if you want a free red-text AV you can usually get the denizens of D&D to give you one fairly easily through posting heterodox opinions.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:25
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:8 years without spending a penny on avs. insane... This is the real austerity.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:25
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:8 years without spending a penny on avs. insane... funnily enough I signed up drunk when I was 19 but forgot SA for a long while when I went to uni before rediscovering it a few years ago. The UKMT is the only thread I actually follow and I just lurk 80% of the time. gently caress me if I'm going to spend £££s getting a dumb pic next to my name.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:27
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ThomasPaine posted:funnily enough I signed up drunk when I was 19 but forgot SA for a long while when I went to uni before rediscovering it a few years ago. The UKMT is the only thread I actually follow and I just lurk 80% of the time. gently caress me if I'm going to spend £££s getting a dumb pic next to my name. You must invest in your posting brand.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:28
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Pissflaps posted:You must invest in your posting brand. Says the man not protecting his, by allowing cheap knockoffs to exist without sending C&Ds.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:29
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Just $5 can buy an underprivileged poster a funny av with a picture of a cat or an anime.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:30
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The flaps has been relatively tame since the election. I feel he has lost his way.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:31
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tithin posted:The flaps has been relatively tame since the election. I feel he has lost his way. The election has given me a lot to think about.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:33
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There's a lot of different pitchfork styles to choose between.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:33
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Pissflaps posted:The election has given me a lot to think about. Introspection is an important character trait. You do you, friend
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Jun 15, 2017 00:35
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:
I've kind of been passively waiting to piss someone off enough for one but, so far, nada.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:36
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tithin posted:Introspection is an important character trait. Wait we get to respec? Cool, I'm going for more charisma.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:36
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Pissflaps posted:The election has given me a lot to think about. Pissflaps... good?
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Jun 15, 2017 00:36
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Oscar Romeo Romeo posted:Wait we get to respec? Cool, I'm going for more charisma. Yes but it's a reserved trait for the wealthy.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:37
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Pissflaps posted:The election has given me a lot to think about. oh i can imagine flaps
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Jun 15, 2017 00:37
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Is Pissflaps Owen Smith?
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Jun 15, 2017 00:38
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Maybe it's just me, but is anyone else sensing a real anger from people after this fire that wasn't there even during the terrorist attacks? If nothing else that building is going to be standing for quite a while yet, as monument to the complete disregard the wealthy and powerful have for the lives of the working class.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:38
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Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems a high rise built with a core like this should be fitted with sprinklers in main areas in the case of a fire spreading outside a flat, with obviously cladding that isn't going to serve as a wick to spread fire between floors. With the chimney effect of a core stairwell potentially acting as a chimney, would that help in any meaningful way or would the water output on any and all floors do anything to keep a fire from climbing?
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Jun 15, 2017 00:39
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You could leave it up forever, like the churches left bombed out after the Blitz. A monument to why You Do Not loving Cut Emergency Services or Weaken Building Codes.
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