Gonzo McFee posted:

Yes, I was talking about the mindset where people can simultaneously accept DLA or any other government benefits while still buying into the Tory narrative of scroungers and strivers, making exceptions for themselves and the people they know because they know they aren't faking it and as such blame the people they see as scroungers for being thrown off DLA and PIP.

I see it often. In fact I see it all the time. Almost as if all the "Dole scum/Guy claiming DLA filmed dancing on daytrip" stories aren't designed to convince the Telegraph reading comfortably retired but the poor working class that their destruction is necessary to get the "scroungers".

Gonzo McFee posted:

Yes, I was talking about the mindset where people can simultaneously accept DLA or any other government benefits while still buying into the Tory narrative of scroungers and strivers, making exceptions for themselves and the people they know because they know they aren't faking it and as such blame the people they see as scroungers for being thrown off DLA and PIP.

I see it often. In fact I see it all the time. Almost as if all the "Dole scum/Guy claiming DLA filmed dancing on daytrip" stories aren't designed to convince the Telegraph reading comfortably retired but the poor working class that their destruction is necessary to get the "scroungers".

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Thirdly, Corbyn’s promise to tax the very rich appealed to those ABs (the majority) earning less than £80,000. Reference group theory implies that people compare themselves with those like themselves. So, someone on say £50,000 a year might ask: “why is that idiot earning twice as much as me when he’s no smarter?” Many ABs, I suspect, are more aware than the DEs that many of the very rich are incompetent rent-seekers rather than the “wealth creators” of Tory myth. A DE voter, on the other hand, has almost no contact with the rich but is instead irritated by benefit claimants.

WeAreTheRomans posted:

BBC just did a lil piece on the abolition of mobile roaming charges in the EU from today. No mention of Brexit. Is Brexit denial a widespread phenomenon or is it restricted to the national broadcaster?

Junior G-man posted:

There's not much to report, really. We need to see what kind of coalition agreement comes out, and it's clear that the Tory Manifesto (vague as it was on the exact terms of Brexit) needs to be partially rewritten.

There was a big press release the day before the elections about the UK making a first move and recognizing the rights of EU citizens in the UK as a gesture of good will, but a) that probably only made headlines on this side of the pond and b) it was predicated on a big Tory majority that could deliver.

Honestly, the EU negotiating teams are just hanging out here, waiting for Davis and his lot to get their marching orders and mosey on over. The first formal round is supposed to start next week. The FT has a good roundup of timelines in the near future here..

However, the Council already knows the whole thing is hosed beyond belief by this election, and that essentially you've now got 17 months in which to deal with the "exit stuff" (rights of citizens, financial resolution and Northern Ireland). The UK would, obviously, like to run a separate sidetrack to create a future trade deal that kicks in March 2019, but the marching orders from the EU are that the exit stuff must be sealed and delivered before the trade negotations can start. Imagine doing the exit stuff in 17 months, let alone add in a massive trade deal.

Anyway, since the Article 50 stuff is so vaguely written, there is the option of extending the negotiations and either leaving the UK in it's current "in the EU but on the way out" limbo, or just jamming it into the EU Free Trade Area as a stopgap. However, that would a) require unanimity from the EU27 and b) the EU FTA demands that the UK follows the rules of the EU Single Market, which both Labour and Conservatives have promised to exit in their manifestos.

I'm wondering if this Brexit stuff is worth its own thread? It'll get quite technical and crunchy. I'd love to do the OP for it, but maybe it's better just to effortpost here a bit more?

WeAreTheRomans posted:

Yeah but I meant how Brexit would affect the roaming charges thing. Like it was the obvious counterpoint that was being deliberately ignored

E: not to rain on your effortpost, but most of what you said has already been discussed ad nauseam here

WeAreTheRomans posted:

Yeah but I meant how Brexit would affect the roaming charges thing. Like it was the obvious counterpoint that was being deliberately ignored

E: not to rain on your effortpost, but most of what you said has already been discussed ad nauseam here

Namtab posted:

You're a good lad learnincurve but you've been picking some odd battles lately

BoneMonkey posted:

The housing market will crash at some point. (Probably soon as I just bought a house )

OwlFancier posted:

What are roaming charges?

Junior G-man posted:

Mobile networks charging you out the rear end extra for using their services when abroad. It adds up like a motherfucker. If you have a lovely plan on your phone (pay as you go is worse) you could easily be looking at an additional 50-100 quid phone bill for a week's holiday if you use your smartphone as you normally would at home. It's been a massive EU consumer bugbear for years.

Jose posted:

Guavanaut posted:

Arthur Harris wrote the law.

Saint Isaias Boner posted:

i thought they usually like it when working class people die

e: surprised they haven't run hit pieces on the residents accusing them of looting the dead and pissing on fire fighters

Pistol_Pete posted:

This Brexit thing is turning into such a shitshow that I'm starting to think that at some point, Westminister MPs are going to collectively stand up and say: "this is loving stupid and we're not doing it."

Who'll be the first to stand up and announce that the emperor has no clothes?

Thanks Ants posted:

https://twitter.com/flashboy/status/875264449522913280

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Wtf is a Music hall?

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

I'm genuinely surprised more people didn't die in the fire seeing as this looks like it's the only access road in

learnincurve posted:

I have a hair trigger right now on this because of what's just happened to a friend of mine.

Assessment was 20 miles away and he had to reschedule it so that he could have time to get a taxi approved. If he missed that date, even if he was ill, he would automatically have been thrown off benefits.

Evil hellbitch then went and lied, I mean actually honestly lied, and said she had seen him walking 200 yards. The taxi dropped him outside the front door, it was 30 feet total to where the interview room was and he had to stop and have a rest on the way there. lying about this meant that the evil oval office could do the only thing she could do to him which is drop him one point. This drop of one point meant he lost the mobility element, which not only means money but also his free tax and insurance.

CAB are absolutely fuming and have found a tame lawyer with An Cause to deal with it for free and he says not only is thIs bullshit and illegal my friend has also been underpaid for years.

communism bitch posted:

It's what people did for evening entertainment before television cinema was invented.

Deptfordx posted:

It's what people did for evening entertainment before television cinema was invented.

Cerv posted:

you mean access for emergency service vehicles?
you've also got Lancaster Rd coming in the opposite direction of Grefnell Rd. and the pedestrianised route to Latimer Rd station is wide enough if you can past the bollards.

it doesn't sound like they had any problem getting there within minutes of the alarm being raised.

ukle posted:

Eye witnesses said the first fire appliances did have issue getting near to the building. Specifically there was a car double parked and blocked the road enough to not allow them to pass, then their was none removable bollards stopping the appliances from getting close to the building. It definitely delayed them a few minutes.

Pistol_Pete posted:

This Brexit thing is turning into such a shitshow that I'm starting to think that at some point, Westminister MPs are going to collectively stand up and say: "this is loving stupid and we're not doing it."

Who'll be the first to stand up and announce that the emperor has no clothes?

OwlFancier posted:

TBH I think if the fire truck can't get past your car cos you parked illegaly they should be allowed to just ram it out of the way and bill you for the damage to the fire truck.

Gum posted:

Everyone missing is dead

Cerebral Bore posted:

Wait, they aren't allowed to do that in the UK?

Pistol_Pete posted:

This Brexit thing is turning into such a shitshow that I'm starting to think that at some point, Westminister MPs are going to collectively stand up and say: "this is loving stupid and we're not doing it."

Who'll be the first to stand up and announce that the emperor has no clothes?

big scary monsters posted:

It's still just mind boggling to me that disability benefits are based on a one time assessment by one person with a vested interest in seeing you get as little at possible.

Queen's speech will take place on Wednesday, Andrea Leadsom says - politics live posted:

The Queen’s speech was originally mean to take place on Monday.

So it is coming two days late.

The Queen won’t be happy. It is Royal Ascot from Tuesday next week, and having the state opening of parliament on the Wednesday might interrupt her plans to attend that day.

PostNouveau posted:

As an American, I've been really confused that this hasn't happened already. All the UKIP ministers are gone, it's a loving terrible idea to begin with, the Conservatives will be negotiating with a shaky mandate. I'm sure most of the Tory MPs know it's ruinous for the UK anyway. Why is anyone going along with it?