Spangly A posted:

Kerala very clearly demonstrates that excess material wealth is not necessary to build a highly developed, high QOL, functioning society. The idea that the living standards of a country are related to GDP is not one that properly interacts with the evidence available.

Angepain posted:

if we knew which exact hole in the ground they came from then we might be able to build a wall around it and stop them from mixing with others

after a while the place would gladly nuke itself out of sheer bloodlust and problem solved

Spangly A posted:

I have labour voting friends in medway I had to stop talking on FB to about politics because they were totally insistent Class is not real.

Not the idea of a middle class, they think there's no difference between being rich and poor, or white and black, or male or female. And yet voted Labour.

communism bitch posted:

If we poor all starve to death then the rich will no longer be able to exploit us for our labour, and will have to work for their own subsistence with the means of production which they already own.

This is how communism comes about

Lord_Adonis posted:

How will we pay for the importation of food, medicines, fuel and energy needed to sustain 60 million people? Firstly, we wont have any more access to credit with which to pay importers,

Lord_Adonis posted:

, secondly, the adoption of a socialistic economic and social system will earn us the ire of the EU, US, and most of our other economic partners.

Guavanaut posted:

How? I realize you can be one of those "I don't see sex/race/gender" liberals, but even they can see money, as they flock to it mothlike.

Spangly A posted:

who gives a gently caress? the EU wouldn't decide to embargo us over socialism ffs.

nopantsjack posted:

I stacked shelves for a couple years in Sainsbos on night shift, I listened to lots of political and historical audiobooks and educated myself.

Spangly A posted:

I've already given you examples, inc Kerala which is the gold standard of development, and you keep pretending that socialism requires a high GDP. You're wrong.

Pissflaps posted:

It could be reversed at any time.

Spangly A posted:

we have negative credit rates because guaranteed national investment is the safest place to store money globally. So, wrong on that.


who gives a gently caress? the EU wouldn't decide to embargo us over socialism ffs.


the children of well off families seem, in my experience, to be entirely financially and economically illiterate.

nopantsjack posted:

I stacked shelves for a couple years in Sainsbos on night shift, I listened to lots of political and historical audiobooks and educated myself.
Also half my co-workers were basically communists.
I miss going through multiple books every week and getting lots of exercise.
I don't miss having a destroyed back and knees and trying to sleep in broad daylight.

Thats my shelf-stacking story, don't knock shelf-stackers.

e: I mean for one, i don't know about wimpy daytime stackers but every night shifter had lats wider than a doorframe by the end of year 1

Lord_Adonis posted:

How will we pay for the importation of food, medicines, fuel and energy needed to sustain 60 million people? Firstly, we wont have any more access to credit with which to pay importers, secondly, the adoption of a socialistic economic and social system will earn us the ire of the EU, US, and most of our other economic partners. Britain is not self sufficient in any way and has no way of leveraging a revolution either domestically or internationally.

Spangly A posted:

the children of well off families

Lord_Adonis posted:

If what you say is true, then why care about the outcome of Brexit at all? If there is nothing to worry about, and no one loses their job over it, then why all the hue and cry?

Lord_Adonis posted:

If what you say is true, then why care about the outcome of Brexit at all? If there is nothing to worry about, and no one loses their job over it, then why all the hue and cry?

Lord_Adonis posted:

Kerala? Isn't that a constituent part of India? Surely then it is India we should be talking about, not just Kerala-

Lord_Adonis posted:

If what you say is true, then why care about the outcome of Brexit at all? If there is nothing to worry about, and no one loses their job over it, then why all the hue and cry?

Corrode posted:

Is it possible for you to write your posts in a voice other than that of a Jane Austen character?

Lord_Adonis posted:

The UK of 2017 is not Russia in 1917. We lack the resource base that the USSR was able to draw upon, enabling it to build a kind of autarkic socialism without having to beg for the kindness of the often hostile exporters of other nations. A revolution of that sort will be possible in Britain only when it occurs over much of the rest of the world, more or less simultaneously. A Communist Revolution in Britain today would serve only to isolate us further from the EU and international community, and would probably cause mass starvation and send us back to the 17th Century economically. Successful revolutions of this sort are only possible, absent of global revolution or powerful patron like the USSR, in a country like Russia or China, where the possibility to resort to autarky exists. Socialism will not save Brexit Britain.

Spangly A posted:

As far as food goes, you can't compare current british output to what we could actually produce. A major switch to self sufficiency would drastically increase our output at the cost of variety and seasonal foods. It's not really relevant to a conversation about Brexit, as far as I can tell.

learnincurve posted:

Only people on DLA are very disabled kiddies you cretin.

OwlFancier posted:

Brexit is bad, and unless you're planning to declare full communism, likely unnecessary, and most of the people who argue for it are bellends who are just racist.

It is not, however, the beginning of the apocalypse.

Pissflaps posted:

It could be reversed at any time.

Macarius Wrench posted:

Bit harder when you are stacking shelves in Tesco

Jose posted:

its a shame 70% of people now support it

Gum posted:

Yeah, the apocalypse began in 1807

Spuckuk posted:

listening to RTE Radio all day

Lord of the Llamas posted:

.........................

If nothing else stacking shelves in a Tesco probably isn't a 9-5 type job.

Obliterati posted:

From a campaigning perspective, "the world will loving explode if this happens" is half the reason Remain lost, have you learned loving nothing from that

Regarde Aduck posted:

It won't explode but all the piers in North wales will fall down. One already did.

feedmegin posted:

Actually it's super common, you just gotta have a lot of

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/shortcuts/2013/dec/10/want-to-buy-citizenship-super-rich-malta-passports

Tesseraction posted:

Morgan?

vodkat posted:

Hallucinogenic Toreador posted:

Sadiq Khan is getting heckled at a press conference with a big police presence (including someone shouting why didn't you support Corbyn).

If May had tried to meet the victims it would have been a complete shitshow.

communism bitch posted:

I used to work in McDonalds in years gone by.
One day i called on3 customer a oval office in the morning, and had to be pulled out of a fistfight with another customer by my manager in the afternoon, and still didn't get sacked because apparently it was impossible to get anybody to stay working there as it was.

i quit when they tried to make me crawl into an industrial trash compactor to clean it.

That's my retail story retail sucks hail satan

learnincurve posted:

I have a hair trigger right now on this because of what's just happened to a friend of mine.

Assessment was 20 miles away and he had to reschedule it so that he could have time to get a taxi approved. If he missed that date, even if he was ill, he would automatically have been thrown off benefits.

Evil hellbitch then went and lied, I mean actually honestly lied, and said she had seen him walking 200 yards. The taxi dropped him outside the front door, it was 30 feet total to where the interview room was and he had to stop and have a rest on the way there. lying about this meant that the evil oval office could do the only thing she could do to him which is drop him one point. This drop of one point meant he lost the mobility element, which not only means money but also his free tax and insurance.

CAB are absolutely fuming and have found a tame lawyer with An Cause to deal with it for free and he says not only is thIs bullshit and illegal my friend has also been underpaid for years.

Jeherrin posted:

BRB, becoming Panamanian

vodkat posted: