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some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
I am so red, so mad, so nude and so loving extremely online right now

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Serf
May 5, 2011


i don't think this discussion is germaine

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Serf posted:

i don't think this discussion is germaine

:discourse:

Regulus74
Jul 26, 2007

Crane Fist posted:

you declared her analysis shoddy and her conclusions invalid

She made a somewhat dubious assessment and then supported it with an example that directly subverted it. That is shoddy analysis.

I never declared her conclusions invalid, I said I disagree with a lot of them. Just because I disagree with something doesn't necessarily invalidate it. Do you work for Epson because you're projecting like a motherfucker here.

quote:

Oh poo poo here's a theme: Did you actually read it

Follow up question: Did you consider that an extremely radical feminist was maybe making some kind of point and not just being like 'hey, here's some child porn, this is what I get off to, just thought I'd share'

Holy loving poo poo I am not about to jump down the "no, guys, the pedophilia is *satirical*" rabbit hole because, unlike Nagle's book about which you feel strongly and I don't, I vehemently disagree with you here and that would not be a fun derail.

EDIT: Goddamn it :69snypa:

Also

Serf posted:

i don't think this discussion is germaine

:golfclap:

Regulus74 fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Jun 15, 2017

coathat
May 21, 2007

Good job doing the internet culture discussion without felix. Get a brain morans!

And Will hosed up the ADTRW reference.

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

Regulus74 posted:

unlike Nagle's book about which you feel strongly and I don't
Your multiple mad online posts about it would seem to propose an alternative narrative.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Regulus74 posted:

If there are professionals whose work/points of view/etc. should not be encouraged or even actively opposed (Nagle seems to take it as a given that there are not)
I, too, have not read the book but want to speak on this: I find it hard to believe that that's her stance, since she's explicitly said (in the recent Chapo episode and in her articles) that social taboos should exist, and that a problem for liberals combating bigotry is that they're uncomfortable with taking on the totally uncool role of the stern adult in the room, practicing public judgment and condemnation of unacceptable viewpoints.

Lord Frisk posted:

Dog, dog, I just enjoy Felix more when he's on point.
What, you don't think being a valor-stealing jujutsu bodybuilder volcel Salafist white spoken word jazz gamer foot fetishist who shouldn't be alone right now is on point?

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

coathat posted:

And Will hosed up the ADTRW reference.

But did he?

X-Ray Pecs
May 11, 2008

New York
Ice Cream
TV
Travel
~Good Times~

Phone posted:

But did he?

I'm not googling around to see if the "hentai rape factory" is a real forum, so I'm just going to assume he misremembered ADTRW.

Regulus74
Jul 26, 2007

Halloween Jack posted:

I, too, have not read the book but want to speak on this: I find it hard to believe that that's her stance, since she's explicitly said (in the recent Chapo episode and in her articles) that social taboos should exist, and that a problem for liberals combating bigotry is that they're uncomfortable with taking on the totally uncool role of the stern adult in the room, practicing public judgment and condemnation of unacceptable viewpoints.

If that is true then it only makes her Greer example more confusing considering it is actually a case of people combating bigotry.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I would have already bought it, but if I do that I'll never finish North Korea's Juche Myth before it's due back to the library. So I'll just have to wait and see.

coathat
May 21, 2007


That's a really good choice. Sucks that the guy that drew that had to retire.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

X-Ray Pecs posted:

I'm not googling around to see if the "hentai rape factory" is a real forum, so I'm just going to assume he misremembered ADTRW.

But... did he?

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


coathat posted:

That's a really good choice. Sucks that the guy that drew that had to retire.

What's this from, anyway?

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band
It's nice that they're a little sympathetic towards the unfuckable guys. (Well, Matt's not.) I like that Angela just outright says "I don't have an answer for that".

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

Jonas Albrecht posted:

What's this from, anyway?

She's from Teppu, a comic about MMA. Makes sense for him, and I heard good about it.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

prefect posted:

It's nice that they're a little sympathetic towards the unfuckable guys.

goons.txt

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


Kunster posted:

She's from Teppu, a comic about MMA. Makes sense for him, and I heard good about it.

I'm gonna check this out.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

prefect posted:

It's nice that they're a little sympathetic towards the unfuckable guys. (Well, Matt's not.) I like that Angela just outright says "I don't have an answer for that".

I was really happy that Amber swatted the (half joking it felt) 'well sex bots will fix them' idea down because yea the fact that they're unfuckable because they're miserable assholes is the issue not that they're not being hosed.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ




h/t @_geeberry

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Joementum posted:





h/t @_geeberry

:eyepop:

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
https://www.patreon.com/chapotraphouse/posts

quote:

So Nagle spends six years studying these people and now has a book coming out about them. Of course she thinks they represent the most important political tendency of our time. Why? Because they have a DC think tank? American Nazis had a think tank in DC from 1958 to 2001. It never really amounted to anyting. They had a magazine, they tried running third party candidates, they tried running republican candidates. They finally succumbed to infighting over a $7.5 million inheritance given to them. Neither are hate crimes and far right terrorism anything new in America. The Order robbed banks and assasinated people all through the 80's, in the 90's you had Oklahoma City and all throughout a ton of random hate crimes. If you want to learn about the American far right, throw Nagle's book in the trash and read Blood and Politics by Leonard Zeskind. You Americans really have to learn that having a British accent doesn't mean you're smart and sophisticated.

shes a VAGINAHAVER whos WRONG on the INTERNET!!!

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

Joementum posted:





h/t @_geeberry

Chapo reality warping field grows even stronger

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Race Realists posted:

https://www.patreon.com/chapotraphouse/posts


shes a VAGINAHAVER whos WRONG on the INTERNET!!!

I think you're reading a bit too much into it while ignoring the real problem: she's not British

Rhesus Pieces
Jun 27, 2005

Joementum posted:





h/t @_geeberry

How the hell does he keep doing this

SousaphoneColossus
Feb 16, 2004

There are a million reasons to ruin things.

Race Realists posted:

https://www.patreon.com/chapotraphouse/posts


shes a VAGINAHAVER whos WRONG on the INTERNET!!!

british accent

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

This must be what being triggered means

Chakan
Mar 30, 2011

Rhesus Pieces posted:

How the hell does he keep doing this

I am convinced Matt can't move from his city (Cleveland?) because he has a Minority Report style tank there to enhance his precog powers.

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

I enjoyed shock poo poo going back to Stile Project back in the day. I could see the idea of 'lulz' but sometime through the Obama administration I could see 4chan take a turn where you couldn't really tell what was simple anti-authority and what was legit white supremacy. I laughed at 'nigga stole my bike' but I stopped laughing when I saw there were people who were serious.

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010

Ron Jeremy posted:

I enjoyed shock poo poo going back to Stile Project back in the day. I could see the idea of 'lulz' but sometime through the Obama administration I could see 4chan take a turn where you couldn't really tell what was simple anti-authority and what was legit white supremacy. I laughed at 'nigga stole my bike' but I stopped laughing when I saw there were people who were serious.

it's actually a totally normal thing to collect massive amounts of black crime statistics + graphs for purely ironic purposes

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

prefect posted:

It's nice that they're a little sympathetic towards the unfuckable guys. (Well, Matt's not.) I like that Angela just outright says "I don't have an answer for that".
Here's how I see it: the Dry Boys have highlighted (in their review of Crash and other episodes) how liberals see bigotry as an individual, personal issue, a spiritual disease that can only be cured one person at a time. Perhaps through personal revelations, or perhaps with counseling from empathetic liberals. But that's not politics; racism, sexism, etc. are systemic issues that are fixed through systemic changes, not by rehabilitating individual bigots.

A genuine leftist movement can counter and prevent the alienation that produced the alt-right, but many individual members are probably lost. Many of the ones who are now teenagers will hopefully grow out of it and look back on their childish attitudes with regret. But the guy posting on a MGTOW reddit that all women deserve to be raped because they're collectively guilty of denying him sex...I don't think that guy can be saved, not even by a movement that delivers huge material improvement in his own life.

The only "answer" I can think of is actually creating policy that rounded up these guys and forced them to go to therapy, which isn't feasible and probably isn't desirable.

dangerdoom volvo
Nov 5, 2009
the answer is not letting people grow up into deranged mutant aliens

Serf
May 5, 2011


its best to not search for solutions to intractable problems and write those people off as lost causes

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
*emanuel macron appears*

perhaps there is a tech solution? we'll give them sex robots

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Who is this man and do we like him? Scrolling through his recent tweets I think I like him.
https://twitter.com/immolations/status/875429685714464769

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

i'm trans and i get sad when i see anti-trans things.

coathat
May 21, 2007

Halloween Jack posted:


The only "answer" I can think of is actually creating policy that rounded up these guys and forced them to go to therapy, which isn't feasible and probably isn't desirable.

Liberal spotted. Reeducation camps are a necessity.

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Crazycryodude posted:

Who is this man and do we like him? Scrolling through his recent tweets I think I like him.
https://twitter.com/immolations/status/875429685714464769

He's real good and correct yeah

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

Immolations is one of those people that can honestly play off with any of the Chapo Crew for either more jokey or more serious episodes and is probably one of my dream wish guests for the show. Good writer. Good japanese 1980's pop youtube compiler. Good err... general twitter follow.

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prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Kunster posted:

Immolations is one of those people that can honestly play off with any of the Chapo Crew for either more jokey or more serious episodes and is probably one of my dream wish guests for the show. Good writer. Good japanese 1980's pop youtube compiler. Good err... general twitter follow.

https://twitter.com/immolations/status/875468446984802304

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