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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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SpaceDrake posted:Changing gears slightly, what really shocks me is just how little political sense May actually has. Like, even the dumbest of American pols would totally go visit victims in this sort of thing, because their advisers would realize that it still makes for A Good Look. Just not visiting them at all is ridiculous and hands a massive artillery load to Corbyn. I was trying to think of who - if I was a tory - I'd pick as a replacement leader. They're ALL poo poo. You've got Gove, Johnson, Fox, Hunt, Leadsom... I can't think of any tory MP of any actual skill or inspiration.
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Owlkill posted:So this seems quite serious - any NI-knowledgable people able to comment on how this would be dealt with? WTF!??! How did these IRA militants get within 10 feet of the front door of no.10 Downing street? Where were special branch and MI5?
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Owlkill posted:So this seems quite serious - any NI-knowledgable people able to comment on how this would be dealt with? It does slightly boggle my mind still to see the dude standing in front of Number Ten who literally ordered a mortar attack on it 
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SpaceDrake posted:Changing gears slightly, what really shocks me is just how little political sense May actually has. Like, even the dumbest of American pols would totally go visit victims in this sort of thing, because their advisers would realize that it still makes for A Good Look. Just not visiting them at all is ridiculous and hands a massive artillery load to Corbyn. May's entire rise to power was based on her staying out of the headlines while all the other Tories hosed themselves. At the time it seemed like a strategy, but it turns out it's just the way she is.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:00
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Gort posted:I was trying to think of who - if I was a tory - I'd pick as a replacement leader. They're ALL poo poo. You've got Gove, Johnson, Fox, Hunt, Leadsom... I can't think of any tory MP of any actual skill or inspiration. The only challenger with a net positive approval rating is Ruth Davidson
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SpaceDrake posted:Changing gears slightly, what really shocks me is just how little political sense May actually has. Like, even the dumbest of American pols would totally go visit victims in this sort of thing, because their advisers would realize that it still makes for A Good Look. Just not visiting them at all is ridiculous and hands a massive artillery load to Corbyn. david cameron somehow was the best leader the conservatives have had since thatcher, which is the funniest fuckin thing. all the competent politicians hitched their wagons to him, leaving only the idiots (gove) backstabbers (may) and clowns (boris) left. may has been unable to grow new talent or loyalty quickly enough, and the pro-cameron wing is absolutely still a major force in their government (if not on frontbenches)
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Jun 15, 2017 20:01
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SpaceDrake posted:Changing gears slightly, what really shocks me is just how little political sense May actually has. Like, even the dumbest of American pols would totally go visit victims in this sort of thing, because their advisers would realize that it still makes for A Good Look. Just not visiting them at all is ridiculous and hands a massive artillery load to Corbyn. I don't think May is unaware, or inexperienced. As per the internal memo that someone posted here a ways back, it seems the Tories decided that engaging the poors publicly on any issue elevated its visibility and works against them, just leading people to support labour. So their deliberate strategy seems to be avoiding engagement entirely. Thus: little public interaction, no debate, etc.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:02
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SpaceDrake posted:Changing gears slightly, what really shocks me is just how little political sense May actually has. Like, even the dumbest of American pols would totally go visit victims in this sort of thing, because their advisers would realize that it still makes for A Good Look. Just not visiting them at all is ridiculous and hands a massive artillery load to Corbyn. She and her advisers aren't inept at spin, they just had no options. Look at what happened to Khan, someone only tangentially related to this disaster, when he gave a platitude-laden press conference. Someone threw a bottle at him. A child asked him how many children burned to death. If May had gone to visit the residents there's a very good chance it would have gotten violent. At the very least she would have been verbally ripped to shreds on television. Appearing callous was terrible publicity but it was literally the least bad option.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:03
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Total Meatlove posted:The only challenger with a net positive approval rating is Ruth Davidson Oh yeah. She'd probably be the best choice for them. Might lose them part of the bigot vote though.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:04
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quote:The first victim of the fire at Grenfell Tower in London has been named by a charity as a Syrian refugee. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40294616
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communism bitch posted:loving wonderful. Christ. We were a less safe place for him than loving Syria.
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jabby posted:Hunt has given strong indication that the pay cap for public sector workers, or at least NHS staff, is on it's way out. Too loving little, too loving late. What a cheeky bugger. I mean yes they need more pay but who loving has been in charge all this time.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:11
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The thing to remember about May is that she spent an entire career avoiding having to come into direct contact with the press, her public appearances always being in the form of a speech in a controlled (or as close to controlled) environment as possible. If you recall when she visited Trump the one thing her team were terrified about was having a press conference, and the only way they ended up having one was that Trump's team ambushed them with it at the last moment. She literally cannot handle that part of the job, which makes her terrible for campaigning and in truth terrible as a governments figurehead. communism bitch posted:loving wonderful. Jesus christ. I'm not even going to look at the comments sections about this. I already know what they will be.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:12
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communism bitch posted:WTF!??! How did these IRA militants get within 10 feet of the front door of no.10 Downing street? Where were special branch and MI5? let me tell you about this thing called "austerity" and 
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Jun 15, 2017 20:19
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They've replaced half the Queen's Guard with cardboard cutouts, trying to bank on the whole myth of them not being able to move at all.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:20
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SpaceDrake posted:Changing gears slightly, what really shocks me is just how little political sense May actually has. Like, even the dumbest of American pols would totally go visit victims in this sort of thing, because their advisers would realize that it still makes for A Good Look. Just not visiting them at all is ridiculous and hands a massive artillery load to Corbyn. she doesn't give a poo poo about dead poors and now that's she's practically been given notice she sees no reason to pretend in any serious way.
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This is an incredibly unfunny thing, but I couldn't keep from laughing bitterly at the stinger here:quote:Gareth Beeton from the Fire Brigade Union said London Fire Brigade - in conjunction with the union - has pleaded for the firefighters to go to Paddington fire station where counselling and well-being services are based.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:27
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feedmegin posted:It does slightly boggle my mind still to see the dude standing in front of Number Ten who literally ordered a mortar attack on it Just wait til you hear about Nelson Mandela and the ANC
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Jun 15, 2017 20:28
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SpaceDrake posted:Changing gears slightly, what really shocks me is just how little political sense May actually has. Like, even the dumbest of American pols would totally go visit victims in this sort of thing, because their advisers would realize that it still makes for A Good Look. Just not visiting them at all is ridiculous and hands a massive artillery load to Corbyn. The thing about tories is that they invariably have a pathological hatred of anyone who isn't rich, and surprisingly few of them are able to hide it.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:28
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they're going to get told to gently caress off and come back with a mandate on monday. Again.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:29
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Gort posted:I was trying to think of who - if I was a tory - I'd pick as a replacement leader. They're ALL poo poo. You've got Gove, Johnson, Fox, Hunt, Leadsom... I can't think of any tory MP of any actual skill or inspiration. They'll need to bring in a ringer A true patriot A hero of the people Our Nige
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Jun 15, 2017 20:33
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Apraxin posted:This is an incredibly unfunny thing, but I couldn't keep from laughing bitterly at the stinger here: I know this might be a controversial thing to say in this here UK thread but I have to say I'm not very fond of these Tories I keep hearing about. Not got a very positive opinion of them.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:37
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communism bitch posted:WTF!??! How did these IRA militants get within 10 feet of the front door of no.10 Downing street? Where were special branch and MI5? To be serious, me mammy and me were talking the other day about all the old boyos who are now respectable types, and we agreed that - pursuant to what I said in my effortpost recently - it's actually quite encouraging to see that people like Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness, and Ian Paisley being ultimately able to sit down and do the hard work of peaceful government and trying to overcome divides. If people like that can do so, there's hope for a lot of us. But also 
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Obviously. Otherwise, the opposition could have, well, opposed.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Apraxin posted:This is an incredibly unfunny thing, but I couldn't keep from laughing bitterly at the stinger here: I used to think that we were joking that the Tories really did want to kill everyone but... they actually do want to kill us off
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Jun 15, 2017 20:40
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:I used to think that we were joking that the Tories really did want to kill everyone but... they actually do want to kill us off They don't want to kill you, they just want everyone else to not be alive any more. Very important difference!
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Jun 15, 2017 20:42
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Telegraph is reporting that even Jon Snow and Victoria Derbyshire faced angry crowds in London, with people asking them where was the media when people were complaining about fire safety and accusing them of only coming to their area when people died. Things are getting ugly, and no-one with any political knowledge should be surprised.
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jabby posted:Telegraph is reporting that even Jon Snow and Victoria Derbyshire faced angry crowds in London https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_OaoEyEApk
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communism bitch posted:It was mentioned a while ago upthread, but the total absence of any coroordinated disaster response in the UK really is a loving shambles. lmao at a UK FEMA
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Jun 15, 2017 20:45
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Malcolm XML posted:lmao at a UK FEMA Maybe President Trump will lend us his
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jabby posted:Telegraph is reporting that even Jon Snow and Victoria Derbyshire faced angry crowds in London, with people asking them where was the media when people were complaining about fire safety and accusing them of only coming to their area when people died. Supposedly Lily Allen told the real estimated death toll on the TV when being interviewed by Jon Snow, she got it from the police as she has been one of many helping out there. Police have a total of over 150 people missing they presume dead - the majority of them are children This will bring down the government.
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Don't really see what's so crazy about Sinn Fein being in front of Parliament. I mean, in Argentina you have the Montoneros which were rebel terrorists during the 70s/80s and then became the actual government during the Kirchner mandates.
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Gort posted:I was trying to think of who - if I was a tory - I'd pick as a replacement leader. They're ALL poo poo. You've got Gove, Johnson, Fox, Hunt, Leadsom... I can't think of any tory MP of any actual skill or inspiration. I want my meme prime minister
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ukle posted:Supposedly Lily Allen told the real estimated death toll on the TV when being interviewed by Jon Snow, she got it from the police as she has been one of many helping out there. loving hell.
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ukle posted:Supposedly Lily Allen told the real estimated death toll on the TV when being interviewed by Jon Snow, she got it from the police as she has been one of many helping out there. the romanian government collapsed for less. i don't think it'll be enough. there are enough spivs on the labour side that swapping governments won't make a drat difference to anyone
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Jun 15, 2017 20:54
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Pochoclo posted:Don't really see what's so crazy about Sinn Fein being in front of Parliament. I mean, in Argentina you have the Montoneros which were rebel terrorists during the 70s/80s and then became the actual government during the Kirchner mandates. You had a pig fucker in front of No.10. You had a woman that stopped free milk for school children. You had a guy lie into a war that is still ongoing You had a guy who hosed Edwina Curry.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:55
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The sequence of events following the Colectiv Nightclub Fire in Bucurest are worth knowing about, expect the same here though probably on a far bigger scale: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colectiv_nightclub_fire
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ukle posted:Supposedly Lily Allen told the real estimated death toll on the TV when being interviewed by Jon Snow, she got it from the police as she has been one of many helping out there. gently caress. This is the only incident I remember where absolutely no estimated death toll has been discussed in the media. I feel like government pressure must be responsible for that. They are hoping by the time the bodies have been counted the news media will have moved on.
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