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Labour | 907 | 49.92% | |
Theresa May Team (Conservative) | 48 | 2.64% | |
Liberal Democrats | 31 | 1.71% | |
UKIP | 13 | 0.72% | |
Plaid Cymru | 25 | 1.38% | |
Green | 22 | 1.21% | |
Scottish Socialist Party | 12 | 0.66% | |
Scottish Conservative Party | 1 | 0.06% | |
Scottish National Party | 59 | 3.25% | |
Some Kind of Irish Unionist | 4 | 0.22% | |
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian | 3 | 0.17% | |
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist | 36 | 1.98% | |
Misc. Far Left Trots | 35 | 1.93% | |
Misc. Far Right Fash | 8 | 0.44% | |
Monster Raving Loony | 49 | 2.70% | |
Space Navies Party | 39 | 2.15% | |
Independent / Single Issue | 2 | 0.11% | |
Can't Vote | 188 | 10.35% | |
Won't Vote | 8 | 0.44% | |
Spoiled Ballot | 15 | 0.83% | |
Pissflaps | 312 | 17.17% | |
Total: | 1817 votes |
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Jippa posted:
gently caress yes
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 12:51 |
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# ? Jun 5, 2024 03:36 |
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Junior G-man posted:loving hell: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/16/worked-kctmo-nightmares-burning-tower-blocks This is a horrible actual real life example of what austerity can lead to, maybe the narrative that austerity is for the greater good will finally be challenged properly.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 12:52 |
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Tesseraction posted:Thing is how could the Tories recover their image from this? Everyone on the ground hates them, May's fled the scene like a coward. It'd require a leadership change to get them out of this rut, and their BOZZA LEJJURND is apparently unpopular over the Brexit campaign. I am very bad at political predictions, but I expect that footage of Boris rudely dismissing fire safety concerns while Mayor of London will have a catastrophic impact on his leadership aspirations.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 12:53 |
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learnincurve posted:I would say May is at a huge risk of being murdered to death. It's not the Muslims or people posting on the internet that the G men need to be scared of. It's the homeless man with nothing to lose or the sweet old man who just got diagnosed with cancer and has simply had enough. Or you know, the fire survivors who just lost their families. These quiet people can't be traced or tracked, they are simply going to walk up to her and stab her. She's made herself the figurehead with all of this "my party" guff, it will make her the target. Was thinking of this last night actually, its probably a more risk that potential terrorists will now just burn down other tower blocks. Instead of ramming a car into a crowd and waving knives about, you find a tower block, take over the first floor of it, fill it with flammable stuff, and then burn it down at 3am. Do tower blocks in London have much security?
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 12:56 |
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vegetables posted:I am very bad at political predictions, but I expect that footage of Boris rudely dismissing fire safety concerns while Mayor of London will have a catastrophic impact on his leadership aspirations. Hahaha jesus May had been so awful in the past 48 hours I'd forgotten about that loving video.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 12:56 |
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on the positive side, all of those people in comas will probably be glad to know that there's someone out there with less chance of lasting the month
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 12:57 |
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Boris Johnson posted:There has sadly been some political game playing about the terrible fire in London. I find it unbelievable that Labour are suggesting that this tragedy was somehow caused by fire service cuts.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 12:57 |
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Brass balls from BoJo there. What a oval office.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 12:58 |
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happyhippy posted:Was thinking of this last night actually, its probably a more risk that potential terrorists will now just burn down other tower blocks. Don't even need to do that. A molotov cocktail would be enough if it had lovely cladding.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 12:59 |
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Has there been much politicking around the inadequacy of the emergency service response? To me, most of the narrative seems to be the profit > people one and Tory complicity in that.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:00 |
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Even if this statement accurately and sincerely addressed the issues (it doesn't) he has chosen just about the worst possible moment to open his loving mouth, and he's chosen to open it to attack Labour. Nobody is going to believe it, and he just looks like an even bigger oval office than usual. The stupidity and callousness is astonishing.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:02 |
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'There has sadly been some political game playing about the terrible fire in London' 'As for the record, fires in London went down 50 per cent in my mayoralty.' Yes, I agree, there certainly has been some political game playing. gently caress you Boris.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:02 |
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Halisnacks posted:Has there been much politicking around the inadequacy of the emergency service response? None whatsoever that I've seen, he's trying to deflect the narrative line away from regulations and onto emergency services, which could work in another, muddier, situation. But the focus here is laser sharp on housing cuts and regulations, and nobody will fall for that sort of clumsy deflection today.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:04 |
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Boris, fearful that the unfortunately necessary cuts to the fire service he was forced to make in the national interest (gotta build a garden bridge bruv) may place londoners in danger, personally prowled the rooftops of London at night catching small fires before they could escalate into infernos. A true hero.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:05 |
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communism bitch posted:None whatsoever that I've seen, he's trying to deflect the narrative line away from regulations and onto emergency services, which could work in another, muddier, situation. But the focus here is laser sharp on housing cuts and regulations, and nobody will fall for that sort of clumsy deflection today. I hope not, at least.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:06 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:Better than A tier. Possibly means special? Hmm I should have known it'd be an anime thing
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:08 |
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The firemen did well considering they were having to work 3x as many hours in a row as they should due to cutbacks.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:11 |
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Halisnacks posted:Has there been much politicking around the inadequacy of the emergency service response? They have been saying that the fire crew arrived within 6 minutes. And to be fair, there is no fire equipment on earth that they use that could have stopped a fire past a certain floor from the outside..
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:12 |
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I hope there are riots again and this government is toppled. I thought it was politically savvy to let the diminished Tories do Brexit before we win but now we just need to get rid of these loving vultures. Preferably by cutting their heads off.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:13 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:Better than A tier. Possibly means special? I believe the official expansion is 'superlative' but then Devil May Cry and Bayonetta started doing poo poo like SSS-tier. Are Gary in the Graun posted:The night the Labour manifesto was released, I went to a hotel in Wembley, close to Harrow, where a focus group of undecided voters, brought together by research company Britain Thinks, intimated that they were warming to Corbyn, in part because they preferred him, as a person, to the prime minister. Some had serious reservations – calling him “unfocused”, “untidy” and “lacking personality” – but most described him as “a man of principles”, an “idealist”, “honest” and “underestimated”. lmao
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:16 |
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waffle posted:In extremely George Takei voice: Ohhhhh myyyyy Interesting to note that this is polling before the disaster at Grendel that the Tories are taking huge flak for too.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:17 |
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communism bitch posted:IFM is our pet moron apparently. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:18 |
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gently caress off with that frog shite
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:19 |
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happyhippy posted:They have been saying that the fire crew arrived within 6 minutes. Yeah there has been nothing wrong with the fire service response. As elsewhere, they've done a bloody good job in spite of the savage cuts they've had to put up with.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:19 |
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Darth Walrus posted:'literally ran corporate rape camps on U.K. soil' May look bad. What
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:22 |
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JFairfax posted:gently caress off with that frog shite
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:23 |
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the Sun is attempting to blame Khan so BoJo's move is perhaps being synchronised we'll see how well it sticks - probably not very well, but Labour itself is likely to hesitate before signing on to specific regulatory measures, in the absence of independent inquiry recommendations, I think the Express is suggesting that EU energy requirements are to blame, which is another possible Tory line of atttack in the upcoming weeks (remember that these attacks don't have to make sense to work) the more populist papers are attacking the stay-put directive more than the cladding, which makes sense - cladding isn't something normal people can do much about, but most everyone can leg it. sprinklers seem to have dropped out of the conversation for now. I doubt we will overturn the movement toward limiting fire spread, so this is yet another way in which public fury might get lost in the bushes of implementation ronya fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Jun 16, 2017 |
# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:23 |
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happyhippy posted:Was thinking of this last night actually, its probably a more risk that potential terrorists will now just burn down other tower blocks. this has been true forever, arson has always been the most effective form of mass murder an individual can carry out. the most effective terrorists pale to some rear end in a top hat throwing a milk carton full of gasoline into a crowded building, it's just never been as PR effective
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:23 |
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Cladding for Grenfell Tower was cheaper, more flammable option, supplier confirms Burned alive to save two quid a metre.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:24 |
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ronya posted:the Sun is attempting to blame Khan so BoJo's move is perhaps being synchronised So now it's a test case for social media vs. corporate media.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:24 |
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What the hell is May doing in there? I'm half expecting some masterful piece of spin, since she's supposed to be chairing a meeting on the fire at 13:30 but it's more important to focus on the little people, and some emotional photos of her next to comatose victims thinking about her career. But it's looking like the Tories couldn't spin their way round a swivel chair so who knows.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:25 |
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Yarls Wood
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:26 |
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Sorry if this has been brought up as this thread moves fast but ... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/16/sun-journalist-grenfell-tower-victim-hospital Guardian posted:
Just gently caress.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:27 |
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I never really understood the "stay in your flat" advice for high rise buildings. Of course, it's better than going out into the corridor and falling unconscious from smoke inhalation, but even on the 4th story of my block, if the whole corridor outside is on fire then sure the fire brigade might arrive within a few minutes but they're not going to be standing outside my door in an extinguished corridor within the time that my 30-minute rated front door keeps the fire outside my flat. Would rather jump and break my legs, at least from the 4th story. Anyone higher up would be screwed.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:27 |
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Graun Live posted:Almost exactly 24 hours after Downing Street said the Prime Minister couldn’t possibly meet victims of the Grenfell disaster because of security concerns, the Queen and Prince William’s visit to Latimer Road came with minimal security.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:28 |
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ronya posted:the Sun is attempting to blame Khan so BoJo's move is perhaps being synchronised Why would it be Sadiq Khan's fault?
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:31 |
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happyhippy posted:They have been saying that the fire crew arrived within 6 minutes. I don't think the response time is an issue, the problem is that the fire fighters had to work for 14 hours straight because there was no one else to replace them.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:31 |
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Rakosi posted:I never really understood the "stay in your flat" advice for high rise buildings. Of course, it's better than going out into the corridor and falling unconscious from smoke inhalation, but even on the 4th story of my block, if the whole corridor outside is on fire then sure the fire brigade might arrive within a few minutes but they're not going to be standing outside my door in an extinguished corridor within the time that my 30-minute rated front door keeps the fire outside my flat. The point is supposed to be that by staying inside, you're protected from the fire for an hour (or 30 minutes or whatever) which is enough time for the fire brigade to arrive and put it out. It's intended for fires contained in one flat, or on one floor. it obviously doesn't work when the whole building's gone up like a Roman candle, other stuff is meant to take care of that (like fire regs that prohibit you cladding the building in flammable materials).
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:31 |
Rakosi posted:I never really understood the "stay in your flat" advice for high rise buildings.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:32 |
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# ? Jun 5, 2024 03:36 |
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VideoGames posted:Why would it be Sadiq Khan's fault? Sleight of hand - it quotes residents heckling him (they were pissed about politicians in general) and then will mention that fire deaths went down under BoJo (they went down nationwide). Then all they need to do is post a few pictures of Khan being brown in public and viola.
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 13:32 |