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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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SA_Avenger posted:Incompetence is malice No it's not. Malice is malice. If incompetence is held out as the same thing, it makes malice seem less bad. You punish malice, you correct incompetence.
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communism bitch posted:Imagine the optics of the filth kicking the gently caress out of the grieving relatives of those killed in the fire. And we are outside of the football season Fun times ahoy
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Jun 16, 2017 17:30
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DeadButDelicious posted:May is apparently bunkered at St Clements Church close to Grenfell House. Y'know, the last world leader who found themselves hunkered down in a bunker surrounded by an angry horde wanting to rip them to shreds didn't suffer such a great end...
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DeadButDelicious posted:E;fb ^^^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4l7bmTJ7j8
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Jun 16, 2017 17:33
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BBC reporter: "we're watching people who are beyond angry" *Cameras show a group of about 50 people stood around, talking, doing not a lot else"
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Jun 16, 2017 17:33
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May's visit to the church shows she, nope, wait, she really doesn't give a gently caress https://twitter.com/DavidhBrown/status/875741823435776000
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Jun 16, 2017 17:34
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Beefeater1980 posted:No it's not. Malice is malice. If incompetence is held out as the same thing, it makes malice seem less bad. You punish malice, you correct incompetence. I would not be surprised if cheaper cladding was used not to cut corner but because someone didn't know the difference between the two. Incompetence can have dire consequences and should be punished way harder than it is. (and I don't think you can correct incompetent people, they are just not in the right place) Also not sure if legit but here is apparently a non official list of missing persons: https://twitter.com/mustymuss/status/875668292719063040
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PST posted:May's visit to the church shows she, nope, wait, she really doesn't give a gently caress
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SA_Avenger posted:I would not be surprised if cheaper cladding was used not to cut corner but because someone didn't know the difference between the two. Incompetence can have dire consequences and should be punished way harder than it is. (and I don't think you can correct incompetent people, they are just not in the right place)  Jesus, that sad.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:39
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https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/875746994379255808 bloody crazy man defying the will of the populace
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Jun 16, 2017 17:40
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Sky is reporting shes just announced a £5 mill emergency fund as she leaves the Church guarded from the crowd by dozens of police, I like to imagine her just chucking pound coins out the car at the crowd to escape.
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I don't know much about him but David Lammy seems like a Good Egg https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/875752692609671169 edit: guess he deleted his RT, here it is https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/875750893043548160 waffle fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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Jun 16, 2017 17:42
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Tesseraction posted:https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/875746994379255808 lol my boss was getting pissed off about that at lunch i said frankly I don't give a gently caress about the sanctity of some Russian oligarchs fifth home when people just got burnt out of their homes. he called me a communist, i just shrugged
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Jun 16, 2017 17:44
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waffle posted:I don't know much about him but David Lammy seems like a Good Egg I've been liking him lately too, don't know much about him though. I hope hes a good egg because that brings Labour's potential successors up to 3 while the conservatives have none.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:45
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waffle posted:I don't know much about him but David Lammy seems like a Good Egg In America we would lock this man up as a dangerous radical leftist for showing some resemblance of genuine human emotion
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Jun 16, 2017 17:45
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Lammy lost a friend in the fire, if I recall.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:47
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quote:At St Clement’s Church, the prime minister was greeted as she left the building and got in her car by shouts of “shame on you” and “coward, coward”. She did not speak to anyone as she left. One local said: “The tower block is more strong and stable than that woman.” There was a brief scuffle between one protester and some of the more than 30 police lined up outside the building.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:48
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PST posted:May's visit to the church shows she, nope, wait, she really doesn't give a gently caress Better meet with the afluent white people of the area, that will do the trick Thersea! They need reassuring the plebs won't ruin their house prices.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:49
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TomViolence posted:Lammy lost a friend in the fire, if I recall. Yes, the second named victim: https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/875662075439308800
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Jun 16, 2017 17:51
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Aside from Thatcher, have we ever had a prime minister effectively dodge the people she governs for fear of being torn apart by them? Is this worse than then?
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Jun 16, 2017 17:53
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I'm getting a bit concerned that May has forgotten that the public exist. When was the last time she actually met someone on the street? She gets shuttled from pre-planned election campaign stop to pre-planned media event at a hospital.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:57
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EvilHawk posted:I'm getting a bit concerned that May has forgotten that the public exist. When was the last time she actually met someone on the street? She gets shuttled from pre-planned election campaign stop to pre-planned media event at a hospital. https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/875758649226014720
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Jun 16, 2017 17:58
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Tesseraction posted:Yes, the second named victim: Lammy for PM.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:58
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Whimsicalfuckery posted:Aside from Thatcher, have we ever had a prime minister effectively dodge the people she governs for fear of being torn apart by them? Is this worse than then? Thatcher had more balls than this. I can't believe I had to actually write that. Yes, May is vastly worse, I can't think of a person in the top job that's been so terrible. I'm 36 so I've seen a fair few.
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Jun 16, 2017 18:01
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She is astonishingly bad at taking even mild criticism. A friend of my mum is in her constituency and went to meet her once at a constituency surgery. Apparently May got really snippy and finger pointy when asked some fairly mild questions.
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Jun 16, 2017 18:02
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EvilHawk posted:I'm getting a bit concerned that May has forgotten that the public exist. When was the last time she actually met someone on the street? She gets shuttled from pre-planned election campaign stop to pre-planned media event at a hospital. Someone said earlier in the thread May is just not good at contacts or conversations that isn't planned ahead in detail. Everytime she gets a question that isn't pre-known she starts acting like one of the lizard people. So meeting anyone on the street must be as alien to her as the warmth of compassion.
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Jun 16, 2017 18:02
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EvilHawk posted:I'm getting a bit concerned that May has forgotten that the public exist. When was the last time she actually met someone on the street? She gets shuttled from pre-planned election campaign stop to pre-planned media event at a hospital. At the end it turns out she's been dead the whole time.
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Jun 16, 2017 18:03
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waffle posted:I don't know much about him but David Lammy seems like a Good Egg I slightly disagree with Lammy here. I'm not completely sure I trust that even modern "luxury" buildings are being built to a high safety standard either. I am sure they have superficially nicer furnishings, but I don't even trust big capital so far as to invest in safety measures unless absolutely forced to by the state, even when it comes to housing capital's loyal servants.
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There's also the wider issue of the council and the government being utterly useless. I've seen most of the residents say that the council haven't shown up at all, and the government just send spokespersons out to give a statement then retreat. It's astonishing how badly this is being handled.
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Jun 16, 2017 18:04
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PST posted:May's visit to the church shows she, nope, wait, she really doesn't give a gently caress Update of the incredibly angry mob
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Jun 16, 2017 18:05
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Hexyflexy posted:Thatcher had more balls than this. I can't believe I had to actually write that. Yes, May is vastly worse, I can't think of a person in the top job that's been so terrible. I'm 36 so I've seen a fair few. Thatcher had more sense than this. She'd have made a blah blah blah speech on the morning, quick tour of the hospital in the afternoon with friendly press in tow, then stayed the gently caress away from it and let the Cabinet take the rest of the heat.
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Jun 16, 2017 18:06
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I can't remember the details off hand but I think there was some Incorrect stuff in Lammy's history. But that's every MP and he's all in the right place here, and if he lost a friend, then, well. I'd say this could bring down the government but we still don't even have one. It's a perfect storm and it's not going away.
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Jun 16, 2017 18:06
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i understand not going out in front of the actual victims because she's scared of them (even if i don't condone it) but when was the last time she actually appeared on camera or talked to a journalist it's like she's hoping everyone will forget she's supposed to be in charge
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EvilHawk posted:There's also the wider issue of the council and the government being utterly useless. I've seen most of the residents say that the council haven't shown up at all, and the government just send spokespersons out to give a statement then retreat. It's astonishing how badly this is being handled. Nobody learns from mistakes here, the council's response is exactly what the response was after Duggan. The media response is even the same and seems to have no appreciation or understanding of the context of the cuts or the class of the victims.
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XMNN posted:i understand not going out in front of the actual victims because she's scared of them (even if i don't condone it) but when was the last time she actually appeared on camera or talked to a journalist It's been her style from the start. It worked till now because May was somehow lucky enough to go a year without a major crisis
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XMNN posted:lol my boss was getting pissed off about that at lunch Many of those are bought via what can be reasonably considered stolen property anyway.
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