UKMT General Elextravaganza 2017: Lord Buckethead would have won

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Labour	907	49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative)	48	2.64%
Liberal Democrats	31	1.71%
UKIP	13	0.72%
Plaid Cymru	25	1.38%
Green	22	1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party	12	0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party	1	0.06%
Scottish National Party	59	3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist	4	0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian	3	0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist	36	1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots	35	1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash	8	0.44%
Monster Raving Loony	49	2.70%
Space Navies Party	39	2.15%
Independent / Single Issue	2	0.11%
Can't Vote	188	10.35%
Won't Vote	8	0.44%
Spoiled Ballot	15	0.83%
Pissflaps	312	17.17%
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Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

nopantsjack posted:

The only arrests are gonna be this guy and protesters.

*thinkpiece in the Telegraph from the future falls into the thread via an interdimensional time portal* and furthermore, the protesters should have calmly stayed at home and wrote letters to a system which they should trust 100% to work in their interests. If they didn't trust the system to work in their interests then uh I guess they're probably criminals? Not sure why else that would happen. Onto other news,

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:22

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 11:25

Tortuga: Aug 27, 2011; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Mister Adequate posted:

Unless he was tweeting it at someone and going "Lol look at yer bruv" or some poo poo this is uh, troubling.

Also bloody hell they moved fast on locking him up. Actually, the whole government reaction is so utterly terrible in every facet I'm tempted to if there isn't a deeper conspiracy here.

Hopefully they thought that getting the oval office out of the way quickly would minimise the media coverage of him, given that his arrest was already known a couple of days ago.

Going by the old Hope is a Lie rule though, that's probably the most jail time anyone will see over the whole thing.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:23

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

learnincurve posted:

MRA are... people with internet/gaming/porn addiction who never bath.

Now hang on, I might have crippling Internet, gaming, and porn addictions and I certainly never bathe, but I am NOT an MRA!

Also Jesus Christ, gently caress your ex, if you want me to break some kneecaps just point the fucker out.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:23

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Torn between and and but where do you think the people writing email clients got the idea?

I thought it was the other way around, usenet borrowing from existing email convention, which at the time was all plain text.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:24

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

vodkat posted:

I know Im going a bit here but given that this country regularly puts out superinjunctions for the superrich I don't quite believe that the government only has the super transparent voluntary DSMA notices when it comes to what the press can and cannot report on.

I mentioned it in my post but look at the Zircon and Spycatcher cases. The Government had to resort to injunctions (in the latter case forgetting to get one in Scotland, lol) which were still universally broken, and the Streisand Effect made them far, far bigger stories than they would ever have been without that sort of intervention. In both cases there was a much murkier public interest defence than there is here, too - it's doubtful any judge in the country would even grant such an injunction. In the Katherine Gun case, where there was a really clear public interest, HMG not only didn't even bother with an injunction they abandoned the prosecution after a day when it became abundantly clear the judge was about to well and truly piss on the Official Secrets Act's chips and they didn't want a clear public-interest defence precedent set.

There's just no legal or judicial mechanism by which they could block publication of the final death toll. They may be able to use pressure and precedent to stop the press speculating on the final toll but if they are that's really not working very well, is it?

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:25

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

My mind keeps drifting back to this charming bit from Oliver Letwin.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:25

Pochoclo: Feb 4, 2008; No...; Clapping Larry

Honest question here, are protests on Parliament's doorstep really that rare here in the UK? Because I'm completely used to pickets and protests and poo poo being commonplace.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:28

HookShot: Dec 26, 2005

learnincurve posted:

MRA are bitter abusive ex-husbands and people with internet/gaming/porn addiction who never bath. They have a few token wimmins with serious psychological issues as well.

My ex-husband is one of them, I see him online a lot talking about his abusive ex-wife and his 60% maintenance for children he is not allowed to see. The ex-wife in question having signed CSA forms stating that she would never claim maintenance in case it gave him leverage to see the children when he got out of prison. He is in prison because he posted a home made bomb* through the letterbox after she kicked him out for shattering her jaw.

The MRA ladies and gentlemen.

* we were not in, a neighbour called me saying that somone had cut our telephone line and it might be best not to come home that night.

Holy poo poo :stare:

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:29

learnincurve: May 15, 2014; Smoosh

Pochoclo posted:

Honest question here, are protests on Parliament's doorstep really that rare here in the UK? Because I'm completely used to pickets and protests and poo poo being commonplace.

Mass protests/gatherings are illegal here. Technically you can have them but you have to ask the police's permission and book a slot or some poo poo.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:29

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

Pochoclo posted:

Honest question here, are protests on Parliament's doorstep really that rare here in the UK? Because I'm completely used to pickets and protests and poo poo being commonplace.

It's difficult to say with any real certainty because the press have for years now been downplaying and under-reporting on large protests in London.
There are regulations to prevent these sorts of protests (you need permission from the police for example) and it's basically made as difficult as possible and stage managed to the greatest possible degree by the police to keep protests small and draw them away from No.10

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:30

Pochoclo: Feb 4, 2008; No...; Clapping Larry

learnincurve posted:

Mass protests/gatherings are illegal here.

Lol I'm sorry but that's so drat ridiculous to me, probably because I've been brought up on an education that kinda hypes the constitutional right to protest

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:33

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Guavanaut posted:

I thought it was the other way around, usenet borrowing from existing email convention, which at the time was all plain text.

Nope, beginning a quote with a > is still known as Usenet-style quoting, but I suppose technically it's a tie because it goes back to at least UUCP which begat both NNTP and SMTP.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:34

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

communism bitch posted:

Better dead than red mate

Historically that hasn't been a particularly meaningful choice.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:34

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

communism bitch posted:

My mind keeps drifting back to this charming bit from Oliver Letwin.

Back in my day people lived in slums and they liked it, which was good because reasons, anyway time for some racism tia.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:34

UrbicaMortis: Feb 16, 2012; Hmm, how shall I post today?

RandomPauI posted:

The d-notice stuff is a completely unfounded rumor right?

It was a rumour made up on a site called Skwawkbox, one of the new left wing blogs that are getting massive viral spread on their stories. Buzzfeed did a good article on them:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/the-rise-of-the-alt-left?utm_term=.oiJxWg000#.udL90nYYY

I'm a bit mixed on them. They often print false or dodgy stories, like this d-notice thing, but at the same time if we're going to have an insane partisan press in Britain, I'd rather the left have one as well rather than just have the Mail and the Sun run rampant.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:35

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Pochoclo posted:

Lol I'm sorry but that's so drat ridiculous to me, probably because I've been brought up on an education that kinda hypes the constitutional right to protest

Oh our system emphasises that right and grand tradition a lot too. _{You just have to book an appointment, is all.}

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:36

vodkat: Jun 30, 2012; cannot legally be sold as vodka

goddamnedtwisto posted:

I mentioned it in my post but look at the Zircon and Spycatcher cases. The Government had to resort to injunctions (in the latter case forgetting to get one in Scotland, lol) which were still universally broken, and the Streisand Effect made them far, far bigger stories than they would ever have been without that sort of intervention. In both cases there was a much murkier public interest defence than there is here, too - it's doubtful any judge in the country would even grant such an injunction. In the Katherine Gun case, where there was a really clear public interest, HMG not only didn't even bother with an injunction they abandoned the prosecution after a day when it became abundantly clear the judge was about to well and truly piss on the Official Secrets Act's chips and they didn't want a clear public-interest defence precedent set.

There's just no legal or judicial mechanism by which they could block publication of the final death toll. They may be able to use pressure and precedent to stop the press speculating on the final toll but if they are that's really not working very well, is it?

In this case I would certainly agree with you.

Just in my :tinfoil:

imagination, base on no evidence whatsoever, other than an abiding suspicion of the british deep state I imagine that there are particular times and cases where very specific pressures can be mobilised against editors and jornos to say don't publish that, or perhaps more importantly don't investigate that too much. Which isn't so much a legal d-notice so much as a 'd-on't you loving dare' notice.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:36

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

the ban on protests near the westminster area was pretty much specifically introduced to stop one guy who basically lived outside Parliament for years, amassing a large camp of protest signs against, largely, the Iraq war. Uh, I mean, because security and terrorism and security. Yes.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:40

DeadButDelicious: Oct 11, 2012; Leave me to do my dark bidding on the internet!

nopantsjack posted:

My dream scenario is Davidson/Rudd as stalking horse, replaced at last minute by *entrance music* Gideon Osborne.

2 month election campaign of the papers fellating technocratic Osborne, guardian bravely holds it's nose and endorses Corbyn.

Corbyn landslides Osborne and we get another "nobody saw this coming!" reaction from the press and policitians.

Looks like Chris Mullin spun a similar yarn a while ago.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:41

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

vodkat posted:

In this case I would certainly agree with you.

Just in my imagination, base on no evidence whatsoever, other than an abiding suspicion of the british deep state I imagine that there are particular times and cases where very specific pressures can be mobilised against editors and jornos to say don't publish that, or perhaps more importantly don't investigate that too much. Which isn't so much a legal d-notice so much as a 'd-on't you loving dare' notice.

Oh yeah, definitely, but you don't need a :tinfoil:

DEEP STATE :tinfoil:

for that, just watch the opening of In The Loop where Malcolm Tucker is telling the unnamed Fleet Street editor about all the dirt he has on him to suppress a story. They also throw in promises of juicier stories (or denial of access to said stories).

In a way it's far worse than any official censor standing over an editor with a gun to his head because it makes the press much more self-censoring. The outburst of negative coverage of May and positive coverage of Corbyn is a pretty clear example that the Press no longer fear the Tory machine - see also the way the Press turned on Brown as soon as he took power and Blair's machine were no longer running interference.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:41

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

vodkat posted:

In this case I would certainly agree with you.

Just in my imagination, base on no evidence whatsoever, other than an abiding suspicion of the british deep state I imagine that there are particular times and cases where very specific pressures can be mobilised against editors and jornos to say don't publish that, or perhaps more importantly don't investigate that too much. Which isn't so much a legal d-notice so much as a 'd-on't you loving dare' notice.

poo poo like this presumably happens over dinner or at a soiree rather than via legal means with a paper trail though and its more like "Bipsy, old chum! Could I trouble you to not run a story on my pedophile orgy society? Theres a good fellow!" or I suppose nowadays its a bunch of besuited unserious wankers agreeing what is and isn't appropriate within the national interest.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:42

Pencils R Cool: Feb 16, 2011

As with every tragic event, keep away from Facebook if you value your browsing devices' health.

Absolute loving arseholes.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:43

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

Pencils R Cool posted:

As with every tragic event, keep away from Facebook if you value your browsing devices' health.

Absolute loving arseholes.

"when you import the 3rd world, you become the 3rd world"

does this guy think refugees bring their houses with them and plant them in the ground in vacant lots or what exactly

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:44

ShaneMacGowansTeeth: May 22, 2007; I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Pencils R Cool posted:

As with every tragic event, keep away from Facebook if you value your browsing devices' health.

Absolute loving arseholes.

"Labour run council" lol, Kensington and Chelsea has been Tory run since its creation in 1964

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:45

vodkat: Jun 30, 2012; cannot legally be sold as vodka

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Oh yeah, definitely, but you don't need a DEEP STATE for that, just watch the opening of In The Loop where Malcolm Tucker is telling the unnamed Fleet Street editor about all the dirt he has on him to suppress a story. They also throw in promises of juicier stories (or denial of access to said stories).

In a way it's far worse than any official censor standing over an editor with a gun to his head because it makes the press much more self-censoring. The outburst of negative coverage of May and positive coverage of Corbyn is a pretty clear example that the Press no longer fear the Tory machine - see also the way the Press turned on Brown as soon as he took power and Blair's machine were no longer running interference.

Yea totally agree with you on that front, the deep state bit was more to imply a security services/military angle to what is essentially the same thing, although be it in a more sinister variant.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:46

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Angepain posted:

"when you import the 3rd world, you become the 3rd world"

does this guy think refugees bring their houses with them and plant them in the ground in vacant lots or what exactly

He thinks they're not white and that's why they use unsafe appliances and deliberately go around fixing unsafe cladding to the outside of their flats or something.

e: I suspect the British deep state is a systemic consequence of a sufficient number of people covering their own rear end and suspecting they've done something wrong more than any deliberate construct. Throw in a bunch of powerful nonces too.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:46

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Pencils R Cool posted:

As with every tragic event, keep away from Facebook if you value your browsing devices' health.

Absolute loving arseholes.

I want all these fuckers up against the wall by nightfall. Get on it UKMT.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:46

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

I hope the crowd drags may out and burns her in a wicker man tbh.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:46

Gorn Myson: Aug 8, 2007

They're just upset at the building wasn't set on fire by a bomb set off by a Muslim.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:47

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

Pencils R Cool posted:

As with every tragic event, keep away from Facebook if you value your browsing devices' health.

Absolute loving arseholes.

Lol at the "5 bedroom house" comment. Has this arsehole even seen the news this week? I mean it's hard to miss....

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:47

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

OwlFancier posted:

I hope the crowd drags may out and burns her in a wicker man tbh.

A Brass Eye style wicker phallus.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:48

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

OwlFancier posted:

burns her in a wicker man tbh.

I know a place they can use in Kensington...

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:48

Lt. Danger: Dec 22, 2006; jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

Angepain posted:

does this guy think

Extremely unlikely

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:48

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

DeadButDelicious posted:

Looks like Chris Mullin spun a similar yarn a while ago.

I like the casual reference to President Trump which would have been seen as an amusing idea at the time of writing.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:50

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

DeadButDelicious posted:

Looks like Chris Mullin spun a similar yarn a while ago.

quote:

As usual, Sunderland South is the first seat to declare, less than an hour after polls close. Unsurprisingly, the Labour candidate is returned, but the swing is modest, causing commentators to suggest that perhaps the exit poll is mistaken.

Ahahaha on election night I had to turn off the news for a couple of hours because I was that worked up by exactly this happening. Fair enough Chris.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:54