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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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feedmegin posted:I was born in Fareham myself  hello labour neighbour
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To be honest, I think May's position has strengthened. None of the Tories want this poison chalice, they'll leave it to May to soak up the poo poo, and then try and swoop in to seem like the country's saviour. I doubt it'll work.
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Jun 17, 2017 07:08
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https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/875824651376746496 I think the knock on effects of this tragedy are going to be massive, especially for the reputation of Oxford's PPE's.
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Jun 17, 2017 07:34
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Watching the May interview and it struck me as the same as most politician interviews, especially tory ones, lately where they are incapable of actually saying anything other than meaningless soundbites and catchphrases. They're all robots caught in a loop, especially over the election and over this fire. And while that obviously worked at some point, it is clearly failing right now. How on earth did we get to this point? It really seems like Corbyn and a handful of labour MPs are the only politicians capable of being actual human beings anymore, everyone else is a trained parrot.
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Jun 17, 2017 07:49
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Serene Dragon posted:Watching the May interview and it struck me as the same as most politician interviews, especially tory ones, lately where they are incapable of actually saying anything other than meaningless soundbites and catchphrases. They're all robots caught in a loop, especially over the election and over this fire. And while that obviously worked at some point, it is clearly failing right now. Soundbytes worked great in the era before everything was being recorded and uploaded to YouTube for wide critique and analysis. Now if all you have are empty slogans and phrases you repeat every 30 seconds you
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Jun 17, 2017 07:52
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For all their opposition to Brexit have the Libdems at least suggested supply for a full u-turn on leaving the EU? Or is it more the preservation of the party they're after?
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Jun 17, 2017 07:54
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DancingShade posted:Soundbytes worked great in the era before everything was being recorded and uploaded to YouTube for wide critique and analysis. I would argue that soundbites worked at the start of the youtube era just fine. Pigfucker Cameron was a soundbite machine and that seemed to work well for him until he shat the bed with the referendums.
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Jun 17, 2017 08:03
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Soundbites can work fine when everything is going basically okay and you just need to deal with day-to-day press questions. Things falls apart slightly when you've got a literal towering inferno burning hundreds of paups, and you still can't switch the soundbites off. Doesn't help that a lot of politicians are incredibly micro-managed with regard to all their public statements (partly because of the rise of smartphones and social media meaning they can't let anything slip that might haunt them) so they're almost congenitally incapable of switching that poo poo off and just being human. It's a lifetime of trying to be the slick, wily, media-savvy politician that fucks them.
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Jun 17, 2017 08:07
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The problem with the repetitive soundbyte strategy is that it's repetitive, and even normal people start to notice after a while. I think even those with limited exposure to news were aware of the 'strong and stable' idiocy during the campaign.
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Jun 17, 2017 08:14
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They keep Cassette Boy doing what they do which is always a plus!
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Jun 17, 2017 08:21
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communism bitch posted:Soundbites can work fine when everything is going basically okay and you just need to deal with day-to-day press questions. I do agree with this, but I think it's not just that it's a crisis now, but that we've been at crisis for years that's causing it. Because Cameron and the tories got away with sound bites during the global recession (national credit card ugggggh). It's only now after years of "common sense" cuts and things not getting better for anyone other than the rich and then a massive incident caused pretty much directly by that poo poo that even people getting their news through the daily mail are realising it's all bullshit with no substance.
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Jun 17, 2017 08:22
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My pet theory is that some politicians are trying to run government as if they were employees in UK Inc. Using that mindset, May climbed the ranks shuffling UK inc. financial obligations onto the broader society as externalities or onto regional subsidiaries. She used things like creative re-designations and close ties to favorable media outlets to obscure questionable or illegal behavior. Her assistants kept her from having to interact with people who weren't important. And her PR team handled all press. That PR arrangement didn't work after May became CEO, CEOs are public figureheads after all. But she took the old arrangements for granted. Of course, that scenario implied May was more interested in protecting shareholder value over the well-being of the UK's long term growth and stability. But no politician or business executive could be that short sighted*. *sarcasm RandomPauI fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Jun 17, 2017 |
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Jun 17, 2017 08:28
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It's not quite as stark as that but after the end of the cold war there was a huge shift in European political parties to depoliticise politics and replace it with an attitude akin to management. Government was no longer about creating a vision of society through state power, it was now about tinkering with the rules and letting everyone just get on with 'work' as efficiently as possible.
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Jun 17, 2017 08:43
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Any time you think 'no politician could be that short-sighted' cast your mind over everything that's happened since 2010.
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Jun 17, 2017 08:44
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My short-sighted comment was sarcasm.
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Jun 17, 2017 08:49
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If people are pining for Lemon Drizzle, perhaps some words from John Woodcock will help:North-west Evening Mail posted:"It is fair to say I completely and utterly misjudged his ability to inspire many people," Mr Woodcock wrote about Mr Corbyn in the email.
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Serene Dragon posted:Watching the May interview and it struck me as the same as most politician interviews, especially tory ones, lately where they are incapable of actually saying anything other than meaningless soundbites and catchphrases. They're all robots caught in a loop, especially over the election and over this fire. And while that obviously worked at some point, it is clearly failing right now. Checks out.
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Jun 17, 2017 08:51
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Oh dear me posted:If people are pining for Lemon Drizzle, perhaps some words from John Woodcock will help: Holy poo poo
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Jun 17, 2017 09:13
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Oh dear me posted:If people are pining for Lemon Drizzle, perhaps some words from John Woodcock will help: That might be one of the funniest things I've read since the election, particularly coming from that idiot.
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Jun 17, 2017 09:14
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Catching up on last night's Newsnight, specifically the Emily Maitlis interview with May. Wow you goons weren't lying, there was such anger and ferocity in Maitlis' eyes and words and body language. She radiated this intense feeling of frustration by getting absolutely nothing out of Maybot. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the general consensus from the press - it's so bloody difficult to get anything out of May and the Tories since the election was called they might as well not bother. I was so sure Maitlis was going to take off the mic and storm away from the interview.
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Jun 17, 2017 09:46
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I've never seen a government so quickly and catastrophically fall apart like this. I mean, I knew that it's happened before plenty, and I was technically alive and aware in the 90s, but I'm still finding this all a bit surreal. And frankly a bit disturbing, too - as bad as this looks for the Tories, I hate the feeling of the country being so loving rudderless. The sooner Corbs and Labour take over the better - obviously because of their policies, but also just because some stability and forward momentum would be nice.
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Jun 17, 2017 09:55
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Barry Foster posted:I've never seen a government so quickly and catastrophically fall apart like this. I mean, I knew that it's happened before plenty, and I was technically alive and aware in the 90s, but I'm still finding this all a bit surreal. And frankly a bit disturbing, too - as bad as this looks for the Tories, I hate the feeling of the country being so loving rudderless. The sooner Corbs and Labour take over the better - obviously because of their policies, but also just because some stability and forward momentum would be nice. The best part is that they aren't even really a government. The country is falling apart and no one is at the wheel lol
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Jun 17, 2017 10:01
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https://twitter.com/evertonfc2/status/875662965839724545
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Jun 17, 2017 10:01
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Fuckin' A. The other surreal thing is that vast swathes of the country have suddenly gone all UKMT. It's incredibly welcome, though.
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Jun 17, 2017 10:11
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even if they promised the lib dems a complete U turn on brexit they'd lose a vote of no confidence after a massive backbencher rebellion. and, depending on the leader, i think that's what it would take. their core conservative issue hasn't changed: it's one party with two diametrically opposed factions - the business tories who wanted remain and may settle for a VERY soft brexit so long as it protects the finance industry (lol) and the eurosceptics who will absolutely not tolerate freedom of movement. there's still a remain majority in parliament, even if no one's stupid enough to actually push for actually remaining. we talk about this election being "blown" but she absolutely was going to be forced into it eventually. the fire has just accelerated what was already happening: the tories now have no leader, no good options to become leader, and have suddenly become massively toxic because they enabled the burning of a bunch of children to death.
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Jun 17, 2017 10:15
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Well this has aged well I think: https://twitter.com/johnmcternan/status/623823071074496513
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Jun 17, 2017 10:15
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It's surreal that both the central government and Kensington council have gone into hiding at the same time. Is every Tory in the country in shock?
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Jun 17, 2017 10:23
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its a hot, sunny saturday. i can see it kicking off today
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Jun 17, 2017 10:26
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Peel posted:It's surreal that both the central government and Kensington council have gone into hiding at the same time. Is every Tory in the country in shock? A member of kensington council was tweeting yesterday that a lynch mob were after them. they've completely broken, terrified at the prospect of facing a fraction of a percent of the violence they inflict on others. They're making GBS threads it, and they should be. Abbas Barkhordar Lynch Mob is a great band name btw Spangly A fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Jun 17, 2017 |
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Jun 17, 2017 10:27
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Peel posted:It's surreal that both the central government and Kensington council have gone into hiding at the same time. Is every Tory in the country in shock?
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Jun 17, 2017 10:29
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The council has been shockingly bad here, after the initial wave of 'we have too much stuff, we can't take any more physical donations, then all the talk started on how there's no leadership, no one helping to coordinate between the charities and churches and really bad communication to the victims who are homeless.
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Jun 17, 2017 10:31
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It's fine, the £5mil bailout package will buy 5 houses in South Ken to rehouse the hundreds who are now homeless.
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Jun 17, 2017 10:34
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Spangly A posted:A member of kensington council was tweeting yesterday that a lynch mob were after them. Do you mean this: https://twitter.com/MartinBelam/status/875775166059618308/ Because if so that's a councillor in Birmingham comparing the protest to a lynch mob, then taking down the tweet with a non-apology and now being savaged on twitter by everyone who wants to take a pop at him for being a fuckwit. And now, I see, has made his twitter private.
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Jun 17, 2017 10:34
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Not to distract from one catasrophuck with another, but are these ding-dongs forming a government or not?
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Jun 17, 2017 10:34
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Not Operator posted:Not to distract from one catasrophuck with another, but are these ding-dongs forming a government or not? lmbo i think they've forgotten about that
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Jun 17, 2017 10:37
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PST posted:Do you mean this: my apologies, that is what I meant. Still think that not only is it tone deaf, but it'd be more reasonable if sincere. Unfortunately the legal system being what it is, everyone responsible will be well out of the public eye when they get exonerated.
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Jun 17, 2017 10:38
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Im a little concerned about the number of theories about state actions to hide the total death toll that are appearing. It's desperately sad that we can't tell who is dead and who is missing but I've just seen a Facebook post supposedly quoting an anonymous source suggesting they might start moving the bodies out by night to keep the count low. Combined with the D note rumours which I've just seen a university lecturer ask about I'm worries the real story of negligence, apathy and right-wing ideology causing the deaths starting to get confused by conspiracy theories depressingly enough which gain traction when there's a real knowledge that the state doesn't care.
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Jun 17, 2017 10:39
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Barry Foster posted:I've never seen a government so quickly and catastrophically fall apart like this. I mean, I knew that it's happened before plenty, and I was technically alive and aware in the 90s, but I'm still finding this all a bit surreal. And frankly a bit disturbing, too - as bad as this looks for the Tories, I hate the feeling of the country being so loving rudderless. The sooner Corbs and Labour take over the better - obviously because of their policies, but also just because some stability and forward momentum would be nice. No, this is stunningly fast compared to the fall of both Thatcher and Major. If you count Thatcher's fall as starting with the Poll Tax riots it took six months, but a lot of Tories say that the rot actually set in on Black Monday and Lawson's resignation, 3 years and 18 months respectively before Heseltine put the knife in. Major's fall basically took the entirety of his Premiership, the 92 election was a bit of a blip - but if you're really charitable and count it from Black Wednesday it still took 4 years. This time last month Theresa May was the most popular Prime Minister in British history and pundits were wondering if she'd beat Thatcher's score in 83. Today the Daily Telegraph is dunking on her. In both distance fell and speed this has to be some sort of record.
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Not Operator posted:Not to distract from one catasrophuck with another, but are these ding-dongs forming a government or not? 
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The ABSOLUTE BOY is laying into May: https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/876009928045060097
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