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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

Windsor Castle had its own dedicated fire brigade & a working fire alarm. loving bootlicker.

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Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

In more upbeat news...

quote:

Hello and welcome to Stannington Ward Labour Party which is one of the 5 wards which go to make up Hallam Constituency Labour Party.

My name is Rosemary Telfer and I am secretary of the ward; Linda Daglish is our membership secretary and will also be contacting you shortly. As you can imagine we are all very pleased to have elected our first Labour MP in Hallam since its creation in 1885.

:laugh:

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Obliterati posted:

Guys

Do we know what the Express thinks

They think Incorrect thoughts comrade.

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


feedmegin posted:

They think Incorrect thoughts comrade.

I smell some reeducation coming

Teddybear
May 16, 2009

Look! A teddybear doll!
It's soooo cute!


https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/876086380861898752

Confirming what we all sadly knew.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

dex_sda posted:

I smell some reeducation coming

In the case of The Express it's just education.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Gonzo McFee posted:

Have all the Tories just forgotten how to hide their true faces?

Didn't she join the Lib Dems because of Brexit?

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Graun posted:

Kensington and Chelsea council and tenants management organisation did not respond to more than 130 offers to put up displaced residents of Grenfell Tower and its neighbouring blocks, a volunteer who came to assist in the relief efforts has said.

Michal Nachmany, a researcher at the London School of Economics, told the Guardian that she spent hours on Wednesday compiling a list of people willing to provide a roof for families and individuals - with some even offering entire flats to the dispossessed.

She even offered to put up two families herself at her home in Chiswick. “My kids can fit into a single room,” she said.

Nachmany sent the list to senior workers at the KCTMO and the local council. However, as yet she has not received any news that any of the offers have been matched to families or individuals in need. It comes amid reports that displaced residents are still sleeping on floors and have not been housed.

In an email to the Guardian, Nachmany, 40, said:

I know that the emails were received (verified by phone), but I don’t know if any action has been taken. Hearing that people are still sleeping on the floor, rather than at least spending the first few days with host families is heartbreaking and outrageous. For example, I offered to host six people. Never heard from anyone, and I doubt if any matchmaking was done between the local offers and the people in need. There is no lack of volunteers or of offers to help - just lack of coordination and organisation. Would be happy if you could support any efforts to resolve this terrible mess and make sure everyone has a proper bed tonight.


How are they so bad at this

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Cerv posted:

Didn't she join the Lib Dems because of Brexit?

So the Tories with dumber slogans.

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






Tesseraction posted:

How are they so bad at this
Because Sadiq Khan.

Ewan
Sep 29, 2008

Ewan is tired of his reputation as a serious Simon. I'm more of a jokester than you people think. My real name isn't even Ewan, that was a joke it's actually MARTIN! LOL fooled you again, it really is Ewan! Look at that monkey with a big nose, Ewan is so random! XD
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/16/sun-journalist-grenfell-tower-victim-hospital

What cunts.

King’s College hospital is to lodge a complaint with the press watchdog over a journalist who allegedly impersonated a friend of a victim of the Grenfell Tower fire in order to get an interview with him. The hospital is to file a complaint with the Independent Press Standards Organisation (Ipso) about the behaviour of the Sun reporter.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Tesseraction posted:

How are they so bad at this

liability liability liability

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

ronya posted:

liability liability liability

Somehow if something went wrong at this point it would still be a net gain in optics compared to their current tactic.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

ronya posted:

liability liability liability

Then that's why you release a statement on the subject (ideally with an explanation of what you're going to do for these people instead), rather than further contributing to the 'hiding from the public' narrative.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Guavanaut posted:

There is an argument that the combination of EU environmental targets and bans on certain halogen containing fire retardants promoted use of less safe materials in some areas, but we've largely got around that now with better fire retardants, and the existence of fire resistant cladding shoots down the idea that it has anything to do with Grenfell.

AIUI (from chatter on my local FB group from understandably concerned people living in both new-build and renovated high rises) rock wool gives better performance than PU or PET insulation and is completely fireproof - and, notably, was being used on all the insulation/beautification upgrades to tower blocks in London from the mid-90s until about 2009, and nobody's quite sure if there was an actual change to the regs or not then, but everyone moved to plastic insulation.

I have the weirdest suspicion it wasn't actually a change to regs, just that the plummeting oil price made the price difference between the two much more distinct.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall
taking on liability for people you already had liability for before you got their house burnt down, is not really a defence for deciding that they can just be homeless. They aren't being cautious, they're hacking away at the moral mandate for their own system of governance. Give it a week and the process wil self-organise out of sheer frustration; the government are still going to be accountable for anything that happens then, because they're the loving government, and it is both their fault and their job. All they're doing is making it clear they are not a legitimate council, or party of government, because the loving anarchists are about to just upstage them. If they try to interfere with, or delay, or fail to cooperate with the immediate rehoming of these people, they should be removed from authority with violent contempt.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
When I was a postgrad in Manchester I lived in a refurbed tower block that had cladding on the outside. It didn't remotely look like the same thing as Grenfell but now I wonder what the gently caress it was made out of.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Ewan posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/16/sun-journalist-grenfell-tower-victim-hospital

What cunts.

King’s College hospital is to lodge a complaint with the press watchdog over a journalist who allegedly impersonated a friend of a victim of the Grenfell Tower fire in order to get an interview with him. The hospital is to file a complaint with the Independent Press Standards Organisation (Ipso) about the behaviour of the Sun reporter.

Milly Dowler? Nah, never heard of her.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends


header taken from this

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

Gorn Myson posted:

£5 says that the Mail's outrage is mostly driven by the fire causing a decline in house prices in the area.

that'd be silly given that it'll only last until the tower is knocked down and the social housing is inevitably replaced with more luxury housing for absentee billionaires

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

drat, that's brutalist.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

AIUI (from chatter on my local FB group from understandably concerned people living in both new-build and renovated high rises) rock wool gives better performance than PU or PET insulation and is completely fireproof - and, notably, was being used on all the insulation/beautification upgrades to tower blocks in London from the mid-90s until about 2009, and nobody's quite sure if there was an actual change to the regs or not then, but everyone moved to plastic insulation.

I have the weirdest suspicion it wasn't actually a change to regs, just that the plummeting oil price made the price difference between the two much more distinct.

possibly related to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLP_Regulation

quote:

The European directive 97/69/EC replaced by the regulation (EC) n° 1272/2008 concerning the classification, labelling and packaging of the substance and the mixtures does not classify glass fibres as hazardous, if they are in compliance with the note Q of
this Regulation.

The note Q specifies that classification as carcinogenic does not apply if:
- a short-term biopersistence test by inhalation has shown that fibres longer than 20μm have a weight half life less than 10 days, or
- a short-term biopersistence test intratracheal instillation has shown fibres longer than 20 μm have a weighted half life less than 40 days, or
- an appropriate intraperitoneal test has shown no evidence of excess carcinogenicity, or
- a suitable long term inhalation test has shown absence of relevant pathogenicity or neoplastic changes.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
how times change

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
:cool:

https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/876083131572510720

Murderion
Oct 4, 2009

2019. New York is in ruins. The global economy is spiralling. Cyborgs rule over poisoned wastes.

The only time that's left is
FUN TIME

happyhippy posted:

Milly Dowler? Nah, never heard of her.

We are appalled, simply appalled, at the actions of our now ex-employee. So appalled, in fact, that we are making him delete all of his emails and strip searching him for flashdrives and SD cards before he leaves the building. It's an extreme step, but we believe it is the only moral course of action.

LemonyTang
Nov 29, 2009

Ask me about holding 4gate!

and it can get to gently caress

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
gently caress the sun.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



It's been a bit mild and cloudy in London.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

drat, that's brutalist.

If Corbyn was an attack-ad type this would probably sink the Tories once and for all, especially as their biggest blowhards whining about it about it would be pricks like Fat Saville (Twitter recommends calling Boris Johnson this) who could instantly be put in an attack ad where they told people worried about fire safety being told to get stuffed.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Maybe, could have led to the plastics dropping into a different hazard criteria - I#m not sure if the section you mention applies because it seems to be saying that rock wool is now considered safe(r) than under the old regs.

(Actually I'm a little worried generally now because I know they used shitloads of the stuff in the renovation of my office's HVAC and chatting to the guys doing it they mentioned it was a lot safer if it gets damaged than the older glass fibre insulation they were replacing)

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Steve2911 posted:

It's been a bit mild and cloudy in London.

Maybe in your bit of London but over here in the bizarre microclimate of E14 it's 32 degrees and bright sunshine in my garden, so I've been using the opportunity to do manual labour because I am a complete loving idiot.

Pyrotoad
Oct 24, 2010


Illegal Hen

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

When I was a postgrad in Manchester I lived in a refurbed tower block that had cladding on the outside. It didn't remotely look like the same thing as Grenfell but now I wonder what the gently caress it was made out of.

A friend of the family lives about 50 yards away from a massive high-rise that had its whole exterior redone recently, only finished a few months ago. Looks almost identical to Grenfell and apparently it's had firemen and inspectors looking around almost every day since.

Mugsbaloney
Jul 11, 2012

We prefer your extinction to the loss of our job

I'm so worried for this country I've been playing democracy 3 instead of going outside to see what a socialist government would look like. In 5 attempts I have been assassinated 2 years in by the battenburg group :(.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

communism bitch posted:

gently caress the sun.

Sounds hot.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Mugsbaloney posted:

I'm so worried for this country I've been playing democracy 3 instead of going outside to see what a socialist government would look like. In 5 attempts I have been assassinated 2 years in by the battenburg group :(.

I turned Britain into a socialist democracy with ease. I tried to raise corporation tax in Australia and got paramilitaried.

Seems accurate.

Skinty McEdger
Mar 9, 2008

I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!

The Sun is going to continue on with the whole "none of our reporters were involved" argument, mostly because after the whole phone hacking thing they on the quiet moved a lot of reporters that previously would have been staff reporters onto freelance contracts so they could have deniability that anything illegal they did was at the orders of the editorial or the Sun in general. Despite you know them still having desks at the offices and Sun email addresses.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

Mugsbaloney posted:

I'm so worried for this country I've been playing democracy 3 instead of going outside to see what a socialist government would look like. In 5 attempts I have been assassinated 2 years in by the battenburg group :(.

you need to go full 1984 straight away and hold off on really pissing off the capitalists until your security services are able to black bag them the moment they even begin to think about a coup

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Skinty McEdger posted:

The Sun is going to continue on with the whole "none of our reporters were involved" argument, mostly because after the whole phone hacking thing they on the quiet moved a lot of reporters that previously would have been staff reporters onto freelance contracts so they could have deniability that anything illegal they did was at the orders of the editorial or the Sun in general. Despite you know them still having desks at the offices and Sun email addresses.

gently caress the sun, and gently caress the Sun.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Spangly A posted:

taking on liability for people you already had liability for before you got their house burnt down, is not really a defence for deciding that they can just be homeless. They aren't being cautious, they're hacking away at the moral mandate for their own system of governance. Give it a week and the process wil self-organise out of sheer frustration; the government are still going to be accountable for anything that happens then, because they're the loving government, and it is both their fault and their job. All they're doing is making it clear they are not a legitimate council, or party of government, because the loving anarchists are about to just upstage them. If they try to interfere with, or delay, or fail to cooperate with the immediate rehoming of these people, they should be removed from authority with violent contempt.

aha, but observe the wonder of devolved and separated powers: nobody turns out to be liable for both council-level general welfare, tenant electoral interests and legal interests of the management organisation at the same time

instead the tenant management organisation has multiple tenant elected representatives on the board, who in sum theoretically embody the interests of the tenants, but in actuality are unlikely to have the inclination to hold a permanent staff accountable for anything, or the competency to do so. "so let's go through twenty pages of already-PwC-audited financial figures for the past year.... *twenty eyeballs glaze over* ok, can I have two signatures? Okay, sign here and here. Next item..."

conversely some tenants in some blocks themselves complain and complain, but oddly enough are unable to elect tenants who share their concerns to said board, or convince any of the incumbent tenant representatives. and so what if they take their complaints to the council? in the bold new british age of Local Democracy, a local authority must let tenants who vote to self-manage embark on a such a glorious adventure anyway. whatchu gonna do?

and last, the permanent staff find themselves under the perpetual eye of suspicion from council, tenant, and directors alike, and a culture of mutual contempt and empathy fatigue takes root

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JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Saddiq Khan aint coming off too well in this either

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