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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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ronya posted:aha, but observe the wonder of devolved and separated powers: nobody turns out to be liable for both council-level general welfare, tenant electoral interests and legal interests of the management organisation at the same time I really want to know what your day job is
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I read a psychological paper one time a fuckton of years ago that said that there is more damage caused in hot weather riots because people go to the off-licence or supermarkets to buy beer before a protest, see the vodka bottles and impulse buy "just in case", iirc there was also a thing in there about the natural paranoia about the filth being able to trace credit card transactions being quashed because they can explain buying the vodka for refreshing drinks.
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Jun 17, 2017 16:45
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ronya posted:aha, but observe the wonder of devolved and separated powers: nobody turns out to be liable for both council-level general welfare, tenant electoral interests and legal interests of the management organisation at the same time If the way things devolved ended up with nobody being or being encouraged to take responsibility for triple-digit homelessness caused by at best malicious negligence this is exactly why people are right to be angry.
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Jun 17, 2017 16:46
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Maybe in your bit of London but over here in the bizarre microclimate of E14 it's 32 degrees and bright sunshine in my garden, so I've been using the opportunity to do manual labour because I am a complete loving idiot. I've decided it's a great time to be in the loft
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Jun 17, 2017 16:49
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Thanks Ants posted:I've decided it's a great time to be in the loft So much for the tolerant loft.
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Jun 17, 2017 16:53
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are englishmen allergic to sunlight
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Jun 17, 2017 16:54
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No we are just awful at planning DIY tasks for a time when they would be comfortable to do
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Jun 17, 2017 16:55
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Kurtofan posted:are englishmen allergic to sunlight Native Brits are white thumb people with Dracula skin. All hail the mutts of Britain 
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communism bitch posted:gently caress the sun. A literal hot take.
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Tesseraction posted:Native Brits are white thumb people with Dracula skin. I'm 3/4 brit and 1/4 swedish, a grey scottish sky actually hurts my eyes, if global warming turns Britain into Spain I will literally not survive.
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Jun 17, 2017 16:58
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nopantsjack posted:I'm 3/4 brit and 1/4 swedish, a grey scottish sky actually hurts my eyes, if global warming turns Britain into Spain I will literally not survive. You went diverse in the wrong direction. Swediness just makes heat worse!
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Jun 17, 2017 16:59
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Tesseraction posted:If Corbyn was an attack-ad type this would probably sink the Tories once and for all, especially as their biggest blowhards whining about it about it would be pricks like Fat Saville (Twitter recommends calling Boris Johnson this) who could instantly be put in an attack ad where they told people worried about fire safety being told to get stuffed. Nahh. Stuff like this has too high potential blowback from politicising the tragedy, while making a positive statement about what you would/will do won't offend anyone. From a very mercenary standpoint, in the age of memes it's safe to let your supporters do your attack dog work, because any negative backlash will be directed at some anonymous twitter user. Whining about your supporters being mean just comes off as... whining.
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Jun 17, 2017 17:04
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Murderion posted:in the age of memes 
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Jun 17, 2017 17:06
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Not to come away from important politics but I've just seen that amigo loans advert and wow those blue guys are creepy as gently caress. Just jump out of the picture and follow you. Not aknowledged by anyone else on film. Its like they made a dr who titled predatory lending.
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Jun 17, 2017 17:08
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Fire suppressant insulation is a thing and totally worth it. This house Is pretty much fire proofed apart from I need to buy the doors. It actually has some metal door frames, because it's an ex-council house built in 1948 and they are original. Turns out that in the 1940s the council round here actually gave more of a poo poo about saftey and installed them in any rooms that would have a coal fire or oven in and any door leading on to a coal house.
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Jun 17, 2017 17:09
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gently caress https://twitter.com/_ilHOEminati/status/875856806798659585
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Jun 17, 2017 17:19
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Jun 17, 2017 17:20
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ronya posted:aha, but observe the wonder of devolved and separated powers: nobody turns out to be liable for both council-level general welfare, tenant electoral interests and legal interests of the management organisation at the same time the way you describe modern governmence never fails to sound maliciously labyrinthian, and I'm real glad jeremy corbyn is about to get a mandate to hack away at any legislation written by PPE grads, consequences that will inevitably bring an empowered and class conscious proletariat against the capitalist class be damned
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Jun 17, 2017 17:20
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UberJew posted:that'd be silly given that it'll only last until the tower is knocked down and the social housing is inevitably replaced with more luxury housing for absentee billionaires If anything, the decrease in housing supply would increase the price of the remaining stock
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Jun 17, 2017 17:21
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spectralent posted:If the way things devolved ended up with nobody being or being encouraged to take responsibility for triple-digit homelessness caused by at best malicious negligence this is exactly why people are right to be angry. congrats. throw out the bums! kick these charlatans from the board! elect residents who will represent our REAL interests (like not being burnt to death in our beds)! but it turns out, whoops, actually there are very good reasons why elected residents are disinterested, apathetic, and incompetent at exercising directorial power. that last is descriptive, not pejorative: if you're not an accountant, you are hardly going to feel confident in questioning any reports shoved in front of you by management, especially if those reports have already been signed off by auditors if you're not a paralegal, you're not going to defy management's legal advisors when they tell you what your entitlements and obligations supposedly are under the law. if you're not an engineer or tradesman yourself, if management gets three quotes from three licensed contractors, your only guide is going to be the lowest quoted figure. They're licensed, aren't they? Someone else already looked them over, innit? which is what seems to have actually happened at KCTMO, IANALly speaking: a great deal of "this is frightening, please address our concerns that X might cause Y" from a group of minority shareholders*, but a total, abject reliance on management to spoonfeed responses to them. and so if management stonewalled them - because, after all, these are not committee members, and elections have consequences - then they only knew how to do... nothing * who actually seem to have been more pursuing a vendetta against particular management members than anything else, actually; the "Grenfell Action Group" blog fell silent when those staff members were moved elsewhere, without any indication of a change in policy
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Jun 17, 2017 17:22
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Random idea: any interest in a registry of which of us are in which CLPs so newbees know who to talk to to get oriented? Could go in the thread OP or something; I'd be happy to maintain it.
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Jun 17, 2017 17:22
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Goddam, but yeah, there should be a list of building residents somewhere, and a corresponding list of people who have checked in requesting aid. If they are on list A but not list B . . .
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Jun 17, 2017 17:23
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feedmegin posted:Random idea: any interest in a registry of which of us are in which CLPs so newbees know who to talk to to get oriented? Could go in the thread OP or something; I'd be happy to maintain it. Please do this
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Jun 17, 2017 17:25
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Kurtofan posted:are englishmen allergic to sunlight There's a reason we really like hats.
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Jun 17, 2017 17:29
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Is there even a wall of the missing there?
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Jun 17, 2017 17:30
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Okay yeah but you realise you just keep describing why people are mad, right? "People are mad because the people who should be keeping them safe seem disinterested and unaccountable" is not answered by "actually they're structurally disinterested and unaccountable so that can't be helped".
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spectralent posted:Okay yeah but you realise you just keep describing why people are mad, right? "People are mad because the people who should be keeping them safe seem disinterested and unaccountable" is not answered by "actually they're structurally disinterested and unaccountable so that can't be helped". The learned helplessness of the proles is why we have to have a managerial class to make all the real decisions; the damage technocracy inflicts on us is the reason why it must exist in the first place.
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Jun 17, 2017 17:36
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Cast_No_Shadow posted:Please do this Either PM me (preferably) or hit me up on IRC or post here and I'll try and keep up with the fire hydrant. I'm Loughborough CLP as of next month myself. Edit: let me know if you want to keep your affiliation private for whatever reason and you won't be in The List but I'll PM new guys with your name if you're in the same area. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Jun 17, 2017 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Goddam, but yeah, there should be a list of building residents somewhere, and a corresponding list of people who have checked in requesting aid. If they are on list A but not list B . . . To be fair, it's a lot more complicated to do this with a block of flats than an airplane or something. Not everyone listed as living there will have been at home, there will have been friends and partners staying over, sub-letting, etc. I can understand why they're waiting for official confirmed numbers instead of just going hog-wild guessing on the national news.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Goddam, but yeah, there should be a list of building residents somewhere, and a corresponding list of people who have checked in requesting aid. If they are on list A but not list B . . . That would let us know the extent of the horror, though. And May's already being criticised enough QQQQ
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UrbicaMortis posted:To be fair, it's a lot more complicated to do this with a block of flats than an airplane or something. Not everyone listed as living there will have been at home, there will have been friends and partners staying over, sub-letting, etc. But we've also learned that the council doesn't know and hasn't bothered to try and find out who may or may not have been there.
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Jun 17, 2017 17:39
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nopantsjack posted:In luxury fully automated communism the only currency is memes
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communism bitch posted:intrinsic field marshal will be the richest man on earth no they are valuated based on being good or not
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Jun 17, 2017 17:41
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UrbicaMortis posted:To be fair, it's a lot more complicated to do this with a block of flats than an airplane or something. Not everyone listed as living there will have been at home, there will have been friends and partners staying over, sub-letting, etc. On the other hand, this hasn't stopped rampant press speculation before, so it is kind of weird this time around they're stony-silent.
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Jun 17, 2017 17:42
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IFM will be that guy who collects pennies but never actually bothers to have them counted into value and instead just sits on piles and piles of shitter coppers.
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Jun 17, 2017 17:43
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nopantsjack posted:no they are valuated based on being good or not Destroying the entire money supply in one go is a bold move.
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UrbicaMortis posted:To be fair, it's a lot more complicated to do this with a block of flats than an airplane or something. Not everyone listed as living there will have been at home, there will have been friends and partners staying over, sub-letting, etc. Bollocks, the whole thing was owned by one company isnt it? So they would have a list of all the renters and family members. Sure there may be a few extra people staying over, lovers, friends, family members etc. But a core list of people living, that should be easily accessible quickly. They are covering it up by stringing it out as long as they can, waiting for the next scandal, terrorist attack, or celeb gay affair to steal the headlines.
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Jun 17, 2017 17:44
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happyhippy posted:Bollocks, the whole thing was owned by one company isnt it? So they would have a list of all the renters and family members. orrrr the authorities have, after long experience, decided not to risk telling people their relatives are dead until they're very sure that they're dead
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Jun 17, 2017 17:45
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Thanks Ants posted:I've decided it's a great time to be in the loft I've decided it's a great time to do bbq. South Carolina and North Carolina, pulled chicken and pork, coleslaw and pasta salad  Edit: welp, hadn't thought of that!  None of it is people?
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^^^ This is not a great time to do BBQ. If this woman hasn't seen any victims, who are the people in hospital and the people on the news that have been rendered homeless? And the media don't report you as dead until it's confirmed beyond reasonable doubt. I mean, she's right that there's well over 30 dead and that anyone not found by now probably is dead, but come on.
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