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it's entirely possible that vegas picks more goalies than they actually need just so they can flip them during this offseason or later too. it's a virtual certainty that some team is going to find out during the season that their goaltending is a lot worse than they thought it would be and looks to vegas who stocked up on like 3 or 4 starters/guys with strong starter potential
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Eric the Mauve posted:It's real weird that the team whose narrative their entire playoff run was "can the Penguins pull off the Stanley Cup with defensemen this bad?" chose to protect 4F/4D. I haven't really looked at who is unprotected in the league, but I can't imagine a betteri goalie being made available in the draft. Sure they could try and get someone later, but MAF is perfectly good choice as your starter if you are Vegas. It would very possibly cost significantly more or get an equal skilled goalie later if the don't take MAF now. Who knows though, Vegas could have traded for goalies already. I guess haglin is safe though, as I can't imagine Vegas taking him over rust. E; marketing is important also, and MAF Can definitely help on that front (face of the team and whatnot), but even without it, just on play alone I think Vegas taking MAF is more than reasonable for them. Oswald Kesselpot fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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Jun 19, 2017 00:24
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MAF all but said "Hey, Vegas, take me" at this point. I don't see him staying.
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Hip Now and Wow! posted:I haven't really looked at who is unprotected in the league, but I can't imagine a betteri goalie being made available in the draft. Sure they could try and get someone later, but MAF is perfectly good choice as your starter if you are Vegas. It would very possibly cost significantly more or get an equal skilled goalie later if the don't take MAF now. Who knows though, Vegas could have traded for goalies already. Mrazek, Raanta, Pickard and Grubeaur are all guys I'd rather build around than MAF. Not to say I wouldn't also take MAF with the view of him being a 1B / backup, but one good playoff run does not make this 32 year old's contract good.
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In what world is a non descript under-sized forward better than one of the league's best net-front presences? You know, the guy who scored the greasey Stanley Cup clinching goal in what was a goaltender duel up to that point? Wtf
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Rust is underrated, including by PAS apparently, for his defensive/forechecking contributions. Guys that can fly like he does aren't that common. But yeah, it will hardly cripple the Penguins to lose him and they probably aren't going to lose him anyway. I wonder if Vegas will make MAF honorary captain like Luongo was 
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Eric the Mauve posted:Rust is underrated, including by PAS apparently, for his defensive/forechecking contributions. Guys that can fly like he does aren't that common. But yeah, it will hardly cripple the Penguins to lose him and they probably aren't going to lose him anyway. Sheary and Rust are nearly identical players
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I feel like Mrazek, Pickard, and Korpisalo are 3 good choices to take over MAF, because unlike the Penguins, there aren't really players on the Wings, Avs, or Jackets I want.
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I said the Sharks protected list would likely be a crapshoot - turns out even more than I thought:quote:Protected players Didn't expect to see Marleau, but Thornton's absence is conspicuous. They're protecting what...2 of their top 6? Interesting.
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Habibi posted:I said the Sharks protected list would likely be a crapshoot - turns out even more than I thought: No sense to protect somebody who's a UFA in two weeks
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Eric the Mauve posted:Rust is underrated, including by PAS apparently, for his defensive/forechecking contributions. Guys that can fly like he does aren't that common. But yeah, it will hardly cripple the Penguins to lose him and they probably aren't going to lose him anyway. I like Rust but I think he's not that unique. He's a solid player who is fortunate to be on a really good team. I think there's a lot of Bryan Rusts and Conor Shearys out there that would thrive given a similar role on the Penguins.
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Just  I'd love for Vegas to take Rust over MAF.
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Justin Abdelkader loving stinks and the only reason he was any good was because he had Pavel Datsyuk literally banking pucks into the net off him
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Jun 19, 2017 00:57
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Vegas also has to build their AHL team, so MAF let's them draft someone younger they can stick down in the AHL for a year or two.
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Derek Engelland talked MAF into going to Vegas months ago. It's happening, and it's the best possible result for the Penguins. Also goddamn I want him and James Neal there, it will better than any of the Hangover movies.
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Neodoomium posted:Justin Abdelkader loving stinks and the only reason he was any good was because he had Pavel Datsyuk literally banking pucks into the net off him Abdelkader is a less-good Tomas Holmstrom
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Neodoomium posted:Justin Abdelkader loving stinks and the only reason he was any good was because he had Pavel Datsyuk literally banking pucks into the net off him Abdelkader is the epitome of grit and grind and I can't finish this thought without laughing.
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ElwoodCuse posted:Derek Engelland talked MAF into going to Vegas months ago. It's happening, and it's the best possible result for the Penguins. Uh... where did you hear this??
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So what team has the dumbest protection list? I think Islanders, but both Detroit and Florida have some baffling, baffling choices.
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Mrazek + Rust is way better than MAF + the ghost of Kronwall or whoever the gently caress else Vegas would take from the Red Wings if they don't take Mrazek. I doubt Vegas would take Mrazek+Fleury, 9.2n for that duo doesn't seem like it'd be ideal
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Mage_Boy posted:Vegas also has to build their AHL team, so MAF let's them draft someone younger they can stick down in the AHL for a year or two. How many goalies are available in the draft that are also waiver exempt? Probably none. The only way for Vegas to build there AHL team is through trades. A Typical Goon posted:Mrazek + Rust is way better than MAF + the ghost of Kronwall or whoever the gently caress else Vegas would take from the Red Wings if they don't take Mrazek. Unless some team offers them a decent trade for one of those two goalies. Only 23 of the expansion draft picks can start the year on the NHL roster, which means they need to make at least 7 trades. There seems to be pretty good info that they've made 3 or 4 already. I'd guess that fewer than 20 of the chosen players end the season on the Vegas roster.
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grack posted:So what team has the dumbest protection list? I think Islanders, but both Detroit and Florida have some baffling, baffling choices. in a vacuum strictly based on the players protected and unprotected, it is the islanders. in practice, with deals, it will still be the islanders, who will give up a 1st not to have a forward selected, and also lose calvin de haan for nothing because they protected adam loving pelech.
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Pornographic Memory posted:it's entirely possible that vegas picks more goalies than they actually need just so they can flip them during this offseason or later too. it's a virtual certainty that some team is going to find out during the season that their goaltending is a lot worse than they thought it would be and looks to vegas who stocked up on like 3 or 4 starters/guys with strong starter potential Vegas should draft only goalies. Can't get scored on with 6 keepers on the ice.
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Yaya posted:No sense to protect somebody who's a UFA in two weeks Yeah, you're totally right. For some reason, I thought they still had a year left.
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JoelJoel posted:Vegas should draft only goalies. Can't get scored on with 6 keepers on the ice. I beg to differ.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE1WduniqF8 I know there are only 5 goalies in that video, shut up
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JoelJoel posted:Vegas should draft only goalies. Can't get scored on with 6 keepers on the ice. just 6 goalies crowded around the crease in a human wall, icing the puck 50 times a game shooting at the other net from their own zone
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:Sheary and Rust are nearly identical players Sheary has a bit more high end skill and Rust is a better grinder but, you're right. It's close. Losing Rust won't do much to harm the Pens, especially with Sprong on deck. Anton Reese seems to have made some waves during the playoffs in WBS, too. They've got a lot of depth at wing. Look Around You posted:Uh... where did you hear this?? I've heard it, too. Engo lives in Vegas in the off-season and MAF has talked to him about it. Not sure he "convinced" him but they're still friends so it probably didn't hurt. Juvi fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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Penguins basically have enough young wingers in the pipeline that it won't hurt them as badly as losing a younger D would.
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ansar khan was quick to write up a mrazek hit piece for the wings brass: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.mlive.com/v1/articles/20895965/red_wings_left_petr_mrazek_unp.amp so its apparently mrazek's "attitude" and james howard III's stellar season that drove holland's decision making process.
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The only thing baffling about Detroit's list is that Holland actually protected AA, which no one should have trusted him to do.
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Schremp Howard posted:Penguins basically have enough young wingers in the pipeline that it won't hurt them as badly as losing a younger D would. Anyone over 200 lbs?
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I really hope Vegas picks Mrazek and
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Gio posted:ansar khan was quick to write up a mrazek hit piece for the wings brass: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.mlive.com/v1/articles/20895965/red_wings_left_petr_mrazek_unp.amp Glad to see that the Wings brass decided to start Coreau in the Centennial Classic and not play to win to take a shot at Mrazek, after Wings fans spent big money to travel to Toronto for that game. Thanks, Kenny.
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Hockles posted:I beg to differ. The 6th is hiding in the Zamboni to pick off stragglers.  
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Gio posted:ansar khan was quick to write up a mrazek hit piece for the wings brass: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.mlive.com/v1/articles/20895965/red_wings_left_petr_mrazek_unp.amp quote:Mrazek has always had a swagger and air of confidence, which appealed to the Red Wings. But sometimes he's too cocky for his own good, some in the organization believe. He became increasingly difficult to coach last season, they said. i mean you could at least pretend you're not openly shilling for management
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corn on the cop posted:i mean you could at least pretend you're not openly shilling for management I am excited for tomorrow's breathless scoop in a Detroit newspaper that Petr Mrazek is 25 and not married, obviously a low-character individual
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I hope Vegas takes Jagr. That's like Jagr's dream location: gambling and hockey.
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Xtanstic posted:I really hope Vegas picks Mrazek and I hope they flip MAF to philly for maximum hilarity
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Also after working with Mrazek and his gf at the store I used to work at I would not doubt that he is hard to coach because he is very cocky and arrogant Still tho let's teach this drat millennial a lesson for being frustrated by the lack of solid D on the team
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