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User0015 posted:Agreed. It's pretty absurd to think women are capable of being evil in any way, or even more ridiculous, capable of running a civilization. haha good one wait a minute, this isn't grogs.txt
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Darwinism posted:The marketing of 5E is basically a love letter to the kind of people that want Drow to always and forever be discriminated against, because it's the accumulated fluff (that is pretty strongly influenced by real-world racist [and let's be honest misogynist too, because naturally the most evil in Drow-ness comes from WOMEN WHO WANT TOO MUCH HOW DARE THEY] ideas). Sorry but Drow own and the bad thing is that there aren't more matriarchal societies period, not that the drow are an evil one.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 03:06 |
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hey quick question so i'm a hunter ranger. i have the following damage rolls - 2 attacks - hunter's mark (if applicable) - colossus slayer (if wounded) if i'm attacking a favored enemy, do i get the +4 bonus (at level 6) to all of the rolls, or just the attack? edit: the damage bonus is worded as such in the UA: quote:Your bonus to damage rolls against all your favored enemies increases to +4 Business Gorillas fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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Business Gorillas posted:hey quick question Let's say you have 5 DEX and are attacking with a Longbow. Both attacks (normal + Extra Attack) are against your Favored Enemy, and you also cast Hunter's Mark on it as a Bonus Action beforehand. Assuming both hit, your damage rolls would be: 1d8+1d6+5+4 1d8+1d6+5+4+1d8 (adding Colossus Slayer on the second attack, assuming the enemy was at full HP for the first hit) Your bonuses, both FE and HM, apply to each individual damage roll. Except for Colossus Slayer, which only works once per turn (but note that it's per Turn, so you can use it out of your own turn through Reactions for a total of twice per Round). Is that clear?
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:27 |
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mango sentinel posted:Sorry but Drow own and the bad thing is that there aren't more matriarchal societies period, not that the drow are an evil one. Iunno, it's kinda weird that one of the few matriarchies in Faerun runs a society based on rape and murder (and has several literal Men's Rights Activists factions portrayed as heroic resistance movements)
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:30 |
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Reclaimer posted:Iunno, it's kinda weird that one of the few matriarchies in Faerun runs a society based on rape and murder (and has several literal Men's Rights Activists factions portrayed as heroic resistance movements) You sure are reading alot in to this
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:43 |
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ElGroucho posted:You sure are reading alot in to this If Ed Greenwood was involved, it's not exactly a stretch.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 04:59 |
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Last I checked Male Drow are just as horrible as Female Drow.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 05:07 |
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subtext is for italians and communists
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 05:10 |
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The only cool thing about Drow are the spider centaur monsters.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 05:11 |
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Drow can be cool but to pretend they aren't rooted in some seriously racist, sexist bullshit is to be oblivious, willfully or not.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 05:16 |
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Reene posted:Drow can be cool but to pretend they aren't rooted in some seriously racist, sexist bullshit is to be oblivious, willfully or not. Pray tell, should Black Magic be referred to as Dark Magic to make it less offensive?
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 05:23 |
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I call it the Shadow Weave
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 05:25 |
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Conspiratiorist posted:Pray tell, should Black Magic be referred to as Dark Magic to make it less offensive? i too believe subtext was something that didn't exist before tumblr
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 05:26 |
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Reene posted:Drow can be cool but to pretend they aren't rooted in some seriously racist, sexist bullshit is to be oblivious, willfully or not. Orcs are brutal savages defined by their menacing physiques and "unusual" skin color who until recent editions were notably rape-y. D&D lore is frequently built from disgusting poo poo but I will note they've been slowly excising the more problematic aspects of things. I'm not excusing that stuff, I'm just saying D&D has been slowly moving away from those bad origins while trying to keep the more interesting aspects. Every time Monster Envy tries to agree with me I have a momentary thought of "oh no I did a bad opinion!"
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 05:35 |
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Did drow at any point ever really receive justification for being extremely dark skinned in spite of living in environments devoid of light which should generally result in a lack of pigmentation? Is it literally just black = evil, real-world racial connotations aside? Really in thinking about it if drow were shockingly pale or almost bioluminescent it would be freaky as hell and a cool basic subversion of the idea that something all bright and stereotypically angelic looking isn't necessarily good.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 05:37 |
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Skellybones posted:I call it the Shadow Weave Cease to Hope posted:i too believe subtext was something that didn't exist before tumblr And then you make evil, opposite elves, who therefore live underground and are the opposite color (obsidian black). There's racism everywhere you look in DnD settings because of how hacks love to insert thinly veiled versions of their perception of existing and past cultures, but loving black elves need only apply to the most post-modernist "death of the author" approaches to subtext analysis.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 05:39 |
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Gumdrop Larry posted:Did drow at any point ever really receive justification for being extremely dark skinned in spite of living in environments devoid of light which should generally result in a lack of pigmentation? they're svartalfr. dark elves were a thing before d&d came along. Conspiratiorist posted:I prefer not to attribute to racism what is easily attributed to ethnocentrism. lol
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 05:49 |
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Gumdrop Larry posted:Did drow at any point ever really receive justification for being extremely dark skinned in spite of living in environments devoid of light which should generally result in a lack of pigmentation? Is it literally just black = evil, real-world racial connotations aside? Really in thinking about it if drow were shockingly pale or almost bioluminescent it would be freaky as hell and a cool basic subversion of the idea that something all bright and stereotypically angelic looking isn't necessarily good. Yeah nope. When the drow went bad and were tossed out of Arvandor they were cursed with dark skin because elves are fair skinned. Nothing questionable in that myth at all.
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NeurosisHead posted:Yeah nope. When the drow went bad and were tossed out of Arvandor they were cursed with dark skin because elves are fair skinned. Nothing questionable in that myth at all. the origin of FR drow is literally the curse of ham? that's amazing
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 05:51 |
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In theory you could make an argument for environmental camouflage, like polar bears. The actual origin story, though...
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 06:02 |
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mango sentinel posted:Orcs are brutal savages defined by their menacing physiques and "unusual" skin color who until recent editions were notably rape-y. D&D lore is frequently built from disgusting poo poo but I will note they've been slowly excising the more problematic aspects of things. I'm not excusing that stuff, I'm just saying D&D has been slowly moving away from those bad origins while trying to keep the more interesting aspects. Yeah it's definitely a vein running through D&D. Hell a lot of it (the orc thing in particular) came from the source material of source materials, Tolkien himself, so it's not surprising a lot of it lingers on. That they're edging very, very slowly away from it doesn't change that it's a thing though. Drow don't wear leopard skins or have human skin-tones anymore but they still started as evil matriarchal dominatrices with brown skin. The settings as-given still tend to be eurocentric, white, and patriarchal, or are assumed to be so unless stated otherwise. And so on. Conspiratiorist posted:I prefer not to attribute to racism what is easily attributed to ethnocentrism. Hahaha are you real
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 06:08 |
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Gumdrop Larry posted:Did drow at any point ever really receive justification for being extremely dark skinned in spite of living in environments devoid of light NeurosisHead posted:Yeah nope. When the drow went bad and were tossed out of Arvandor they were cursed with dark skin because elves are fair skinned. Nothing questionable in that myth at all. Cease to Hope posted:the origin of FR drow is literally the curse of ham? that's amazing OTOH this same topic comes up once a year, so heres a chunk of extreme nerd history: quote:History
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 06:37 |
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MonsterEnvy posted:Last I checked Male Drow are just as horrible as Female Drow. Nah Bregan D'aerthe are pretty chill. They even let a girl in once, too (Unfortunately Drizzt was confused and killed her). Authors can't figure out what the gently caress they wanna do with Vhaeraun and his followers but half the time they're plucky rebels who just wanna live free of The Woman.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 06:41 |
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Drow are hard-working Morlocks who have the worst lives out of everyone in the Realms short of, I don't know, the people who were standing directly underneath a Netherese city in -339 DR. The other elves are Eloi.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 07:53 |
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Gumdrop Larry posted:Did drow at any point ever really receive justification for being extremely dark skinned in spite of living in environments devoid of light which should generally result in a lack of pigmentation? Is it literally just black = evil, real-world racial connotations aside? Really in thinking about it if drow were shockingly pale or almost bioluminescent it would be freaky as hell and a cool basic subversion of the idea that something all bright and stereotypically angelic looking isn't necessarily good. The Mystara/Known World drow equivalents are pale. They're also not eeeevul, just kind of bitter about being stuck underground IIRC. And they worship radiation.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 08:21 |
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A related problem to things in the Players Hand Book being actually racist is being culturally specific without the book doing a good enough job of explaining the cultural circumstances that create the rule. Like, R.A.W. every half Orc can swing an axe - every single one of `em. Baby found on a battlefield? Then raised in comfortable quasi-adoption by a human officer regretful of the near-genocide perpetuated after the last Orc war? Bam, that Orc picks up an axe one day and it feels great. You can say the same thing about every weapon bonus the races have - they're all clearly a part of some cultural upbringing/mandatory training, but the rule book only ever really hints at what setting the game should be in. Basically, the PHB doesn't do a good enough job of balancing "we're going to keep this generic so that you can make your own world" and "really all this is set in Forgotten Realms or something, so bear that in mind." I've been reading Shadow of the Demon lord lately and having everything in that book be attributable to the specific setting detailed in that book is a huge help even though I won't be using that exact setting, it still provides context for why things are they way they are, much more so than D&D tends to. Like, the next PHB could have one skinny chapter of a few pages, detailing whatever setting they're obviously basing the book on, the sort of neat thing they put in the back, like how 5th has a cool and helpful list of Pantheons to consider.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 13:13 |
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I think that D&D's implied setting is supposed to reduce most ideas down to easily recognizable chunks based partly on ideas people already have in their head. Orcs are easy to drop into a game because people hear orc and immediately know what it means, which is why you get poo poo like 'all orcs know how to use axes'. If you just take 'orc' out of context of their implied culture, what have you actually got? D&D needs those elements to make their races worthwhile because on their own they don't carry a lot of weight. Now if you were willing to explore the actual biology of other fantasy races and divorce it from their mental capabilities or culture, you'd have something cool, but it wouldn't be D&D. Because D&D relies on shorthand to get its point across. Which, I mean, sounds pretty racist to me. Whether or not it maps directly to real world racism is anybody's guess, but I'd put my money on, 'probably, sometimes.'
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 14:23 |
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Tieflings get a bonus to charisma because everyone's lovely towards them, so they try extra hard to get popular and end up above average I guess.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 14:25 |
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I think Tieflings are supposed to promise to only use that charisma for intimidation. You gotta lean in and go oogedy boogedy to get what you want.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 14:32 |
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Drow are lame as a player race, but it has nothing to do with social implications and more to do with how goddamn played out they are
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 14:44 |
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Krinkle posted:I think Tieflings are supposed to promise to only use that charisma for intimidation. You gotta lean in and go oogedy boogedy to get what you want. also demons are good at lying and devils are good at negotiating contracts and the devil is good at playing the fiddle
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 14:58 |
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What are yugoloths good at?
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 14:59 |
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Jack B Nimble posted:A related problem to things in the Players Hand Book being actually racist is being culturally specific without the book doing a good enough job of explaining the cultural circumstances that create the rule. Like, R.A.W. every half Orc can swing an axe - every single one of `em. Baby found on a battlefield? Then raised in comfortable quasi-adoption by a human officer regretful of the near-genocide perpetuated after the last Orc war? Bam, that Orc picks up an axe one day and it feels great. You can say the same thing about every weapon bonus the races have - they're all clearly a part of some cultural upbringing/mandatory training, but the rule book only ever really hints at what setting the game should be in. What book are you looking at? It never even uses the word axe in their writeup. As for the cultural stuff and their abilities, it states that that comes from the god who created them as a race, body and soul. If everyone was made by the same creator or evolved or whatever, sure that would be more problematic, but they weren't. e gradenko_2000 posted:It's actually Dwarves who are always proficient with the battleaxe, the handaxe, the light hammer, and the warhammer. Yeah, that's a fair point. But he, you can always ask the DM to houserule something... sleepy.eyes fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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It's actually Dwarves who are always proficient with the battleaxe, the handaxe, the light hammer, and the warhammer. The ability is called "Dwarven Combat Training", so there's still that dissonance where if you're ... a dwarf that didn't grow up in "traditional Dwarven society", you're still going to be good at using those weapons.
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 15:05 |
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Skellybones posted:What are yugoloths good at? filling pages nobody reads in Monster manuals II-IV
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 15:27 |
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3e tackles the social traits by offering substitutions, 4e offloads most social traits to a separate background trait, Pathfinder does a little bit of both. all of these are mainly in later splatbooks the core book is making assumptions to not only grease the wheels for first-timers, but also leave questions that later splatbooks can solve.
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ElGroucho posted:Drow are lame as a player race, but it has nothing to do with social implications and more to do with how goddamn played out they are I feel like every single time I've seen one since like, the 90's it's just been either a carbon copy of Drizzt or "Drizzt, but with some weapon other than 2 scimitars".
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# ? Jun 19, 2017 15:31 |
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Our human cleric of Talos got reincarnated as a drow which led to many humorous interactions. I'd read a trilogy about their misadventures.
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NeurosisHead posted:I feel like every single time I've seen one since like, the 90's it's just been either a carbon copy of Drizzt or "Drizzt, but with some weapon other than 2 scimitars". maybe PC drows would have more potential backgrounds/personalities if wizards started writing the society of such a popular playable race better so that 'exiled from cartoonishly evil homeland' wasn't one of the few avenues to get a a drow adventurer that gels with the rest of the party
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