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Phoix posted:They backed down pretty fast. loving cowards.
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If Handel wins hopefully it will shake up the idiots at the DNC that think targeting Romney voters unhappy with Trump is a brilliant strategy (not likely but maybe). At absolute best you get a Democratic President elected with a slim margin and still lose all congressional races when those voters still go for the "regular" Republicans down ballot.
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Jun 19, 2017 14:55
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Blitz7x posted:This but the opposite So exploitation of people's labour is good? Please tell me how neoliberalism works great with automation kicking into high gear in the future. I'm sure everyone will be totally employable and there will be no need for solid social support structures.
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Jun 19, 2017 14:57
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Radish posted:If Handel wins hopefully it will shake up the idiots at the DNC that think targeting Romney voters unhappy with Trump is a brilliant strategy (not likely but maybe). At absolute best you get a Democratic President elected with a slim margin and still lose all congressional races when those voters still go for the "regular" Republicans down ballot. I'm not sure you win the Georgia 6th at the Congressional level without attracting those voters.
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Jun 19, 2017 14:57
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theflyingorc posted:if ossof loses, all I know is I'm not reading this thread for several weeks Honestly, a lot of us should take a break regardless of the results tomorrow.
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I just saw about Charleena Lyle. Black pregnant mother of three with history of mental illness called police to report an attempted burglary, she had a knife, two white police shot and killed her in front of her children, agrees 11, 4, and 1. Absolutely zero chance they even get prosecuted cause "hey, she had a knife". I know a couple of summers ago a guy lost it in California and started killing random state troopers, but how long until someone starts intentionally targeting the officers from cases like this? I feel like that can't be far off at all, as many high profile cases as there continue to be.
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Alter Ego posted:I'm not sure you win the Georgia 6th at the Congressional level without attracting those voters. all regions of the US are exactly the same, friend
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Jun 19, 2017 14:57
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I can't wait for this Georgia race to be over. It feels like it's been going on for an eternity.
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Jun 19, 2017 14:58
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I just saw about Charleena Lyle. Black pregnant mother of three with history of mental illness called police to report an attempted burglary, she had a knife, two white police shot and killed her in front of her children, agrees 11, 4, and 1. Its only going to get worse since Sessions has made it clear he has no intention of pushing Civil Rights violations cases.... 
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Alter Ego posted:I'm not sure you win the Georgia 6th at the Congressional level without attracting those voters. They are almost certainly not getting them. They are going to have to hope Democratic voters come out in force and Republicans are too unmotivated to turn out. If they are banking on cross over Republicans they've already lost. Gaunab posted:I can't wait for this Georgia race to be over. It feels like it's been going on for an eternity. No kidding. Whoever pointed out that the UK dissolved its government and had an election for a new one in less time than this one stupid seat really said it best about another example of how ridiculously bad out entire election system is.
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Radish posted:If Handel wins hopefully it will shake up the idiots at the DNC that think targeting Romney voters unhappy with Trump is a brilliant strategy (not likely but maybe). At absolute best you get a Democratic President elected with a slim margin and still lose all congressional races when those voters still go for the "regular" Republicans down ballot. Are you just talking about the ads they've been running or something? He doesn't seem to be a particularly conservative Democrat.
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Jun 19, 2017 14:59
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Phoix posted:They backed down pretty fast. Supposedly the Russian statement is word for word the same in the first breaking news report, and in airwars tweet. Looking to get a proper Russian translation right now.
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I'm gonna take a weeklong break I think. Anyone needs me I'll be in one of the chill fishing threads for cool dudes and nice guys.
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Chilichimp posted:Honestly? I got tired of websites that told me to gently caress-off for running an ad blocker. I recommend uBlock Origin. You can always disable it for certain sites.
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Ripoff posted:Yeah, but it's to be expected - Repubs traditionally make it big on last-minute voting. The racists will be marching out from their whites-only gated retirement communities gnashing their false teeth and cursing the Hispanic and Black citizens of Atlanta, jump in their Japanese/German Sports Activity Vehicle, then vote for Handel. You forgot that they'll be listening to the local conservative radio programs telling about MARTA bringing THOSE PEOPLE to honest neighbourhoods the entire way
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Chilichimp posted:I only mention it because I didn't notice this as recently as a week ago and I've seen no Ossof ads, and it feels like a loving mistake. uBlock origin, can whitelist certain sites or just press a big power button to turn off on a site by site basis, can even set to turn off just this once or always on a site
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Jun 19, 2017 15:01
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538 has a great little article on how important the Georgia election is: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-the-georgia-special-election-matters/ Basically, whichever way it goes, each side is going to treat is as a huge victory that means a lot. It isn't.
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Jun 19, 2017 15:01
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Are you just talking about the ads they've been running or something? He doesn't seem to be a particularly conservative Democrat. I'm not making the case that he's a GOP-lite or whatever (I don't know much about his actual politics). Just that if the DNC plan to take the election revolves around Romney type Republicans it's not going to work if they can't count on those guys not to vote massively pro-Republican down ticket even if they succeed and getting them to cross the aisle on the main Presidential election candidate.
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Apparently if Ossoff loses the progressive wing is expected to push even harder for changes inside the DNC:Politico posted:With the race turning away from its early framing as a referendum on Trump, Democratic operatives have instead looked closely at Ossoff’s campaign for clues about messaging that other Democrats might emulate next year. That’s been a sensitive exercise: Democratic establishment strategists fret that the party’s liberal insurgent wing will take an Ossoff loss as evidence that candidates need a clearer, Bernie Sanders-like message of economic populism, while progressive leaders worry an Ossoff win could encourage the party to recruit more moderates. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/19/ossoff-handel-georgia-special-democrats-239698
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Jun 19, 2017 15:04
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Yeah, I thought this would happen. We lost all because some crazy shooting one guy and the Repubs will feel enbolden to kill millions with AHCA. 
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Covok posted:Yeah, I thought this would happen. We lost all because some crazy shooting one guy and the Repubs will feel enbolden to kill millions with AHCA. yes, this is something worth declaring loudly today, rather than after the special election it will be completely impossible to tease out a signal whether or not the shooting had a significant effect
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Jun 19, 2017 15:10
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theflyingorc posted:538 has a great little article on how important the Georgia election is: You know, it's hilarious to see both sides starting to push this whole "even if we lose, it's not a huge deal" narrative. It's like preemptive sour grapes. If it's not a huge deal why is it the most expensive Congressional election in history?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:
A tie is still okay, right?
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What are the people here who are already calling GA-6 for Handel actually basing that on besides just overt pessimism?
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Slaan posted:You forgot that they'll be listening to the local conservative radio programs telling about MARTA bringing THOSE PEOPLE to honest neighbourhoods the entire way I feel honestly blessed that I've never heard terrestrial Atlanta conservative radio talk-shows. They were dripping with racism up North the few times I heard them while changing stations, and I can't imagine how over the top it would be down here with a chunk of the populace remembering and seeing forced integration of schools. It has to be insane.
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enraged_camel posted:You know, it's hilarious to see both sides starting to push this whole "even if we lose, it's not a huge deal" narrative. It's like preemptive sour grapes. Nate Silver: "Both sides", apparently
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Blitz7x posted:This but the opposite Death needs to become a neoliberal?
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CascadeBeta posted:What are the people here who are already calling GA-6 for Handel actually basing that on besides just overt pessimism? It's been a safe conservative district for decades. GA-06 is practically the definition of white flight. It really could go either way though.
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theflyingorc posted:Nate Silver: "Both sides", apparently Sorry, I should have mentioned I've been seeing similar posts on TD, except from their side (obviously). Like, there was a thread raising awareness about the special election, and the most up-voted response was some dude saying "you know, it's not a big deal if Hendel loses, she's a regular Republican and not a Donald supporter."
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CascadeBeta posted:What are the people here who are already calling GA-6 for Handel actually basing that on besides just overt pessimism? Detailed articles reporting on how the GA 6 voting machines remain almost absurdly vulnerable to hacking, with no paper trail, and the Republicans in charge of local government have done nothing to fix it. Edit with link : http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/14/will-the-georgia-special-election-get-hacked-215255 Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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enraged_camel posted:You know, it's hilarious to see both sides starting to push this whole "even if we lose, it's not a huge deal" narrative. It's like preemptive sour grapes. No one wants to be caught with their pants down. Democrats spent on this race like crazy and Ossoff has a virtual army of volunteers. If he loses, it'll be embarrassing, regardless of the fact that this is a traditionally Republican district that Newt Gingrich and Tom Price both held. Conversely, if Republicans lose, it will be embarrassing no matter how narrow the loss is, because a Republican's been in this seat for like 30 years.
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Ossof is like the drat opposite of a progressive. And based on his involvement in intelligence as a Hill staffer, I'd say describing him as a neocon warhawk is about right. His primary campaign message is reigning in government waste. That being said, he's the kind of democrat who has a punchers chance of winning in a red state.
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Alter Ego posted:No one wants to be caught with their pants down. Democrats spent on this race like crazy and Ossoff has a virtual army of volunteers. If he loses, it'll be embarrassing, regardless of the fact that this is a traditionally Republican district that Newt Gingrich and Tom Price both held. So what you're saying is that this is a very important race.
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CascadeBeta posted:What are the people here who are already calling GA-6 for Handel actually basing that on besides just overt pessimism? It was Handel +20.6 last year and has been safe R for a long while. Even 538 admits that the current turn-out by party affiliation points to a Handel+2.1 victory so far. Rs need to turn on their own: that won't happen. If it does, I'll be glad, but taking this forgone because of some polls is a joke when you consider 2016 where a bad event also happened to close to the election to be factored in to the final polls.
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Chilichimp posted:And based on his involvement in intelligence as a Hill staffer, I'd say describing him as a neocon warhawk is about right. Every member of the Deep State™ is a neocon warhawk, FYI.
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enraged_camel posted:Sorry, I should have mentioned I've been seeing similar posts on TD, except from their side (obviously). That's the thing, though. Silver really doesn't inject his personal analysis into it. His whole point is "the result isn't going to be really indicative of anything we don't know". However, Republicans are going to act like the results are significant. It could easily impact whether they go all in on AHCA or not - but they shouldn't.
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This is your regularly scheduled reminder that Karen Handel was single-handedly responsible for making the Susan G. Komen breast cancer charity organization pull out of Planned Parenthood, which resulted in a spectacular 22% drop in Komen's funding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Handel#Susan_G._Komen
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Covok posted:Even 538 admits that the current turn-out by party affiliation points to a Handel+2.1 victory so far. Rs need to turn on their own: that won't happen. *incredibly long article about why it could absolutely go either way, but Ossof has a slight polling edge* "hoo boy, I better grab the number related to turnout in the previous special election and treat that as the only number that matters for some reason" quote:If it does, I'll be glad, but taking this forgone because of some polls is a joke when you consider 2016 where a bad event also happened to close to the election to be factored in to the final polls.
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