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The D in Detroit
Oct 13, 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zwY9aJfaT4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ompfv3DCnU4

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Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!


Twelve-year-old me was confused as poo poo when this music was used as Dewey's theme in Scream 2.

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

My favorite Marx works are Duck Soup and Horse Feathers

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


CharlieFoxtrot posted:

The Chomsky Foucault debate is a pro watch.

Zizek is a charlatan and honestly in terms of the depth and significance of his analysis he is one step removed from "Kamala Harris is Danaerys Targaryen" hot takes. If people are going to read Marxian theory in 2017 I would suggest cutting out the psychoanalysis (the real fraud in all this) and look at some Hardt and Negri at least

I think Zizek is fine when he talks about movies and stuff. He's a smart and perceptive guy, and psychoanalysis makes for compelling and fun art criticism. But his "Marxism" is shallow and contradictory and, unlike his art criticism, gains nothing from a reliance on a huckster like Lacan.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

corn in the bible posted:

John Travolta is a Scientologist so I won't watch him

Do you apply this rule to all actors who are also Scientologists? Because, um
http://www.businessinsider.com/celebrities-scientology-2015-3/

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



DeimosRising posted:

I think Zizek is fine when he talks about movies and stuff. He's a smart and perceptive guy, and psychoanalysis makes for compelling and fun art criticism. But his "Marxism" is shallow and contradictory and, unlike his art criticism, gains nothing from a reliance on a huckster like Lacan.

I think this is fair, and it certainly helps when looking at something that is more delimited like a film, especially when there have been whole generations of filmmakers who have been themselves influenced by psychoanalysis and thus their works are extremely rich when read that way. I think his writing is filled with undeserved condescension and obscurantism that turns the simple act of reading and explaining into something arcane and mystical. But basically everyone in academia throughout the 70s and 80s had to do it to keep their jobs for some reason so here we are, only kind of getting out of it since the 2000s.

Lil Mama Im Sorry posted:

Well, ive gotta read Das Kapital first, then next up is a biography of Buenaventura Durruti, and then Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent.

Any standout recs for Hardt and Negri?

Empire is the big one that's influenced a lot of more recent political theory in terms of constructing a framework for understanding global capitalism, what it means to be a laborer in that system, and what people can do about it. They were writing it in the early 90s and kind of leaned heavily into the whole "the nation-state is over" idea, which they walked back later, so that's worth noting.

Reading Capital on its own is definitely a huge undertaking and though I wouldn't dissuade you from it, huge chunks of it are specifically tied up in the context of 19th-century Britain that its meaning may be lost without a companion book (I would recommend the ones by Michael Heinrich or David Harvey, Harvey also has a video lecture series on Capital as well)

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

Scientology is a disease, but if we started to eschewing movies based on criteria like the talent involved being involved in bad poo poo... you wouldn't have much to watch.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

🔊😴

Timby posted:

I have no loving clue what Travolta was going for in American Crime Story, but it was hilariously bad electrifying.

FTFY

I mean it wasn't "good" or in any way a "natural" performance, but it was enthralling. Esp. when he was getting super mad at Cochran.

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer

Skwirl posted:

Do you apply this rule to all actors who are also Scientologists? Because, um
http://www.businessinsider.com/celebrities-scientology-2015-3/

Yeah, I'd be fine without most of them. Beck's music went downhill once he became open about his scientology, and he just keeps doing the boring mopey Sea Change poo poo because it wins grammys. Everyone else is pretty much a one note trying to regain some old success, except Travolta and Cruise.

I am surprised that Elizabeth Moss is in Scientology. You'd think they'd be against her involvement with The Handmaid's Tale, unless they were just banking on the positive exposure.

Lil Mama Im Sorry
Oct 14, 2012

I'M BACK AND I'M SCARIN' WHITE FOLKS

DeimosRising posted:

I think Zizek is fine when he talks about movies and stuff. He's a smart and perceptive guy, and psychoanalysis makes for compelling and fun art criticism. But his "Marxism" is shallow and contradictory and, unlike his art criticism, gains nothing from a reliance on a huckster like Lacan.

I agree with this. The Pervert's Guides are great and anytime his writing steers towards culture or film it becomes interesting again.

Also, i love his takes on Stalin.



CharlieFoxtrot posted:


Empire is the big one that's influenced a lot of more recent political theory in terms of constructing a framework for understanding global capitalism, what it means to be a laborer in that system, and what people can do about it. They were writing it in the early 90s and kind of leaned heavily into the whole "the nation-state is over" idea, which they walked back later, so that's worth noting.

Reading Capital on its own is definitely a huge undertaking and though I wouldn't dissuade you from it, huge chunks of it are specifically tied up in the context of 19th-century Britain that its meaning may be lost without a companion book (I would recommend the ones by Michael Heinrich or David Harvey, Harvey also has a video lecture series on Capital as well)

Thanks, I'll check these out

X-Ray Pecs
May 11, 2008

New York
Ice Cream
TV
Travel
~Good Times~
I'm listening to Songs In The Key of Life for the first time.

Holy loving poo poo.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

Anonymous Robot posted:

If y'all are gonna come in here callin Das Kapital some bullshit we're gonna have a lotta words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDJeTnLKLEI

Gorman Thomas
Jul 24, 2007
I have a slow work week so I'm in all going to try and penetrate David Harvey's Capital lecture series. I think it was mentioned by Amber on Chapo?

X-Ray Pecs
May 11, 2008

New York
Ice Cream
TV
Travel
~Good Times~
What the gently caress I had no idea this is where Gangsta's Paradise came from

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
imo Zizek is best enjoyed in film or lecture format, if you're going to try to engage with his ideas at all. His prose style is the worst I've ever read.

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

Reading Capital on its own is definitely a huge undertaking and though I wouldn't dissuade you from it, huge chunks of it are specifically tied up in the context of 19th-century Britain that its meaning may be lost without a companion book (I would recommend the ones by Michael Heinrich or David Harvey, Harvey also has a video lecture series on Capital as well)
This is absolutely true. I haven't read Heinrich's Introduction, but I can't recommend Harvey highly enough if anyone is looking to better understand Capital or Marxist thought more generally. He's one of the few prominent thinkers today who uses dialectical materialism as a scientific method, which Marx intended it to be when he was developing it. He's written some really good insight into globalization, cities, neoliberalism and its governing style. I think the best place to start (aside from Companion to Capital if that's your thing) is The Ways of the World, a collection of his essays and articles from the past 40 years.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Oh yeah, on the subject of movies, I finally watched Chappie this weekend and it was weird in the best way and good as hell.

UnknownMercenary
Nov 1, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD



Knew what this was before I clicked it.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

Skwirl posted:

Do you apply this rule to all actors who are also Scientologists? Because, um
http://www.businessinsider.com/celebrities-scientology-2015-3/

I do.

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.

Terrorist Fistbump posted:

Oh yeah, on the subject of movies, I finally watched Chappie this weekend and it was weird in the best way and good as hell.

Yeah, Chappie owns

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

Negri was, allegedly, involved with the Red Brigades so he probably knows how to shoot an AK which is the skill I value most in my political theorists

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.
Guys, Kate Nash's Agenda E.P. from this year is really good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_n7N6slh3Y

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

Lil Mama Im Sorry posted:

Zizek uses a buncha multi-syllabic words in a confusing way to say something that's simple. It's got a cool headiness to it but besides that it just feels like mental masturbation.

that sounds very familiar

X-Ray Pecs
May 11, 2008

New York
Ice Cream
TV
Travel
~Good Times~

Magic Hate Ball posted:

that sounds very familiar

Zizek is what happens when SuperMechaGodzilla goes too far

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

X-Ray Pecs posted:

Zizek is what happens when SuperMechaGodzilla goes too far

Imagine someone unfamiliar with this forum reading this sentence.

Anonymous Robot
Jun 1, 2007

Lost his leg in Robo War I
spotted Friday night

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Anonymous Robot posted:

spotted Friday night



they ain't wrong

e: also holy poo poo the skype bit in the new twin peaks

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer

Taintrunner posted:

they ain't wrong

e: also holy poo poo the skype bit in the new twin peaks

And that awesome computer.

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

Does anyone else like to spam the "Pride" button on Facebook?

I'm trying to do it on every right-wing post I see in my feed.

LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.
So, uh... Forbidden Zone. Hmm.

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.

LesterGroans posted:

So, uh... Forbidden Zone. Hmm.

Apes can not travel to the forbidden zone!

Neurophage
Oct 11, 2012
Baahubali is so good. I should really watch more Indian action movies.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



FreudianSlippers posted:

Negri was, allegedly, involved with the Red Brigades so he probably knows how to shoot an AK which is the skill I value most in my political theorists

The best theorists develop their ideas in prison.

quote:

Recently released on parole from Rebibbia prison in Rome, and an acknowledged influence on Ya Basta!, Antonio Negri has unimpeachable revolutionary credentials. In the 1970s, he was the leading theorist of Potere Operaio and later of the Autonomia movement. But in 1979, the kidnapping and execution of Aldo Moro by the Red Brigades gave the Italian authorities the pretext for the indiscriminate repression of the extra-Parliamentary Left. Thousands of activists were arrested on political charges; Negri himself was accused of masterminding acts of terrorism, and of being the unidentified voice on the line in a phone call to Moro’s wife. There was no hard evidence to substantiate any of these accusations. The pentiti accused Negri of complicity only in one action and that was more a hideously bungled prank than an act of terrorism: in the ‘kidnapping’ of a Potere Operaio supporter by his friends to extract money from his wealthy parents, a chloroformed handkerchief was held for too long over the young man’s face. Nevertheless, Negri was sentenced to prison, only to be released under Parliamentary immunity when elected as a Radical MP. Escaping to France, where he had the support of Deleuze and Guattari, he continued his academic career in Paris (Michael Hardt was a student) until 1997, when he voluntarily returned to Italy to serve out the remainder of his sentence.
This is also why people should read Gramsci and Angela Davis

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


This should have been way more popular

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfBdGT4dn4E

Biodome
Nov 21, 2006

Gerry
It was in Billy Madison.

axelblaze
Oct 18, 2006

Congratulations The One Concern!!!

You're addicted to Ivory!!

and...oh my...could you please...
oh my...

Grimey Drawer

Josh Lyman posted:

This should have been way more popular

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfBdGT4dn4E

Why?

married but discreet
May 7, 2005


Taco Defender
gently caress my life I made a mistake filling out my US visa application form and will probably be shipped off to guantanamo bay after my interview :cb:
Also booked the wrong greyhound trip to city with US consulate cause I mixed up AM and PM :downsgun:
I am not good with stress

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Josh Lyman posted:

This should have been way more popular

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfBdGT4dn4E

heartbreak freestyle was a fuckin' movement in Chicago and Los Angeles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBSfQJM9scw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-0sUuGufmw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVtcEYCor68

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KJte4O-zD4

Power of Pecota
Aug 4, 2007

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

Biodome posted:

It was in Billy Madison.

also Hot Rod

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

feedmyleg posted:

The Hairspray remake is so bizarre to me. The original is a loving tribute to freaks, rebels, and societal outcasts made by a wonderful creep eschewing his grimy aesthetic to make something subversive that the squares could watch. The remake is this strange sanitized thing about institutionalized, packaged weirdness made by a major studio for high school theater kids.

And John Waters probably made more money off of that than most of his other movies combined.

X-Ray Pecs posted:

My dad insists on calling him John Ravolta, but dude gave it his all in Face/Off, and he's good in Pulp Fiction and Carrie, he's in my good graces.

Is your dad a writer for Mad Magazine?

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K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.

I love this stuff. From these I've only heard of Shannon, but I remember I just went hunting for all of the albums with songs featured on this electro comp (the same one I found Malcolm X "No Sell Out" on), but this is one that I heard recently and really liked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8KS9OXJ8Lg

Here's some other artists i liked featured on the comp (not necessarily the exact songs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tThqfBQGz_8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKv9pkTFTEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMfYrkm6o5M

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