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So, someone in this thread no doubt knows exactly how closely Starfleet hews to navy rankings, so how many ranks does Sulu skip from V to VI?
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Jun 19, 2017 08:38
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Sash! posted:Although if we're talking 80s toy vehicle TV, the god-emperor is Captain Power and the Soldiers of the Future. Captain Power was incredible because the toys "played" with the TV by reading flashes of light like a light gun does and beeping and stuff. I swore as a kid I felt I could affect the episode's plot with my plastic space ship/gun combo
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Jun 19, 2017 08:50
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Orv posted:So, someone in this thread no doubt knows exactly how closely Starfleet hews to navy rankings, so how many ranks does Sulu skip from V to VI? None. He was promoted to Commander some time before TWoK and retained the rank until being promoted to Captain and assigned as CO of the Excelsior. Considering there's 8 years between TWoK and TUC, this is entirely feasible. The problem is figuring out when TMP happened (no definitive date is given, but the best  estimate is somewhere between 2271 and 2274) because he was a Lieutenant before then, Lieutenant Commander at the time of TMP, and was Commander by TWoK.
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Jun 19, 2017 08:58
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Huh, does that stuff ever come up in the movies? My memory is shaky at best but I don't know that he ever gets called by rank in them. E: The earlier ones anyway.
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Jun 19, 2017 09:06
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Kind of. There are consistent rank systems/insignia used in the movies and documented in books (presumably designed by the production staff), but it's not referenced much/at all in the dialogue. As for TMP's date, it's officially 2271. Scotty (?) mentions that the Ent had 18 months of refits, but I think it's always just been assumed that the refits began pretty much immediately after Turnabout Intruder.
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Jun 19, 2017 10:05
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In the Age of Sail Royal Navy, which at least the Meyer movies were based on, it wasn't unusual to have commanders filling in for senior positions usually held by a lieutenant due to the paucity of ships relative to the number of commanders.
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Jun 19, 2017 11:40
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I wish they had stuck with calling everyone the non gender specific Mister after WOK up
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Jun 19, 2017 15:04
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In another timeline Star Trek had a Hasbro deal and had a kickass 80's action-oriented cartoon show complete with evil organization with appropriate acronym.
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Jun 19, 2017 15:21
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Kind of. There are consistent rank systems/insignia used in the movies Consistent right up until Valeris' uniform, when they just said, "Aw, gently caress it." Arglebargle III posted:In the Age of Sail Royal Navy, which at least the Meyer movies were based on, it wasn't unusual to have commanders filling in for senior positions usually held by a lieutenant due to the paucity of ships relative to the number of commanders. Keep in mind, as well, that Sulu and company are only on the Enterprise in Wrath of Khan for training purposes (and in cut footage, Kirk says that Sulu's due to take command of the Excelsior in three weeks), and obviously in III and IV they're on the lam so no one's getting any new assignments. It's The Final Frontier and arguably The Undiscovered Country where things get cocked up, as everyone's right back where they started even though there should have been some progression -- Chekov was a first officer in Khan and now he's back to being the navigator / security chief, Sulu's back at the helm until taking over Excelsior between movies, Uhura's still all "hailing frequencies open, Captain," etc. I mean, poo poo, in the last two movies the Enterprise has three captains on it (and then Scotty is mysteriously back to being a commander in Generations).
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Jun 19, 2017 15:28
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Timby posted:It's The Final Frontier and arguably The Undiscovered Country where things get cocked up, as everyone's right back where they started even though there should have been some progression -- Chekov was a first officer in Khan and now he's back to being the navigator / security chief, Sulu's back at the helm until taking over Excelsior between movies, Uhura's still all "hailing frequencies open, Captain," etc. I mean, poo poo, in the last two movies the Enterprise has three captains on it (and then Scotty is mysteriously back to being a commander in Generations). I'd always found that distracting, even as a kid, but now I've concluded that Starfleet just kept all these lunatics on the same ship to keep them from getting their own commands/other positions of authority. Sulu excepted, of course.
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Jun 19, 2017 15:57
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Arglebargle III posted:In the Age of Sail Royal Navy, which at least the Meyer movies were based on, it wasn't unusual to have commanders filling in for senior positions usually held by a lieutenant due to the paucity of ships relative to the number of commanders. Also any unrated ship smaller than a frigate wouldn't get a full post-captain to command it, it would get a commander who would be called "captain" by courtesy. Lot of Aubrey-Maturin readers up in this thread.
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Jun 19, 2017 16:01
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After The War posted:I'd always found that distracting, even as a kid, but now I've concluded that Starfleet just kept all these lunatics on the same ship to keep them from getting their own commands/other positions of authority. What always bothered me is that Spock gets demoted because he died. The Enterprise is his ship in Wrath of Khan, but after they get the -A, he's right back to being the first officer.
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Jun 19, 2017 16:10
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BaronVanAwesome posted:Captain Power was incredible because the toys "played" with the TV by reading flashes of light like a light gun does and beeping and stuff. A friend of mine had the entire line of toys, with multiples of some stuff. His grandfather had been the CEO of a major company (like, one of those not kidding around GM/Boeing/Exxon level ultra-companies) during one of their best periods in their history, which meant his grandmother was wealthy with a capital W and it showed at Christmas time. One year, she went all in on Captain Power. It was a blast running around his house dogfighting.
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Jun 19, 2017 17:04
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As if CBS's streaming offering wasn't already bad enough, Star Trek Discovery will have a mid-season break on top of only releasing one episode per week. Premieres September 24 quote:U.S. Schedule http://www.startrek.com/article/star-trek-discovery-sets-premiere-date
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Jun 19, 2017 17:22
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I'm thinking that's to buy them time on production (but also CBS is dumb and they know people will just binge the show and then drop All-Access).
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Jun 19, 2017 17:24
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They were still shooting the pilot episode in the middle of March so that break is absolutely intended to buy them some production and post-production time (especially since they upped the episode order last month).
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Jun 19, 2017 17:30
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vermin posted:In another timeline Star Trek had a Hasbro deal and had a kickass 80's action-oriented cartoon show complete with evil organization with appropriate acronym. The intro would show off all the protagonists and antagonists. The flagship of the evil Star Empire (imagine the TNG promo guy doing the narration and pronouncing it 'Staaaaar Empire'), the classic Klingon ship named the Vengeance, flies toward the screen, and we dissolve into its bridge, where we see a Romulan, an Orion slave girl (as sexy as they can make her given the content rating), a hybrid Borg (in this show, most of the Borg are full-on robots, but this one is human), a Ferengi, a few miscellaneous aliens, and the Klingon captain. Move down, out of the bridge, to see the planet it's over, explosions visible from space. The away team would be pinned down on the planet's surface by advancing Borg drones. Riker would leap over some debris into cover, then start blowing them away with his phaser as they haphazardly fired back. Worf would burst out of cover and start carving them up with his bat'leth. (Since they're robots, it's okay!) Meanwhile, Geordi and Data are trapped in a holding cell with everything exploding. Geordi uses his VISOR (that's even a canon acronym: Visual Instrument and Sensory Organ Replacement!) to hack the control panel outside the cell and lower the force field, but then the ceiling collapses - and Data catches the debris, one-handed, and throws it aside. Dr. Crusher sprays an injured Troi with a healing energy beam; then Troi returns the favor when a drone pops up to attack them by blasting it with her telekinesis (she's also a full-fledged telepath). Then the Enterprise swooshes overhead, clearly visible from the ground, and beams everyone directly into their bridge positions. Picard gives an order (no voice, because the butt-rock version of the TNG theme is too loud) and points dramatically at the viewscreen; cut to the Enterprise blasting the Vengeance with phasers and photon torpedoes until the Klingon captain grits his teeth in rage and barks an order to have the Vengeance retreat into warp. Have the whole bridge crew beam onto a boulder or something to pose dramatically. Stick a scene with Wesley in somewhere (he is, of course, the teen sidekick who gets the crew out of trouble almost as often as he gets them into it), and you're golden!
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Jun 19, 2017 17:41
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shadok posted:Also any unrated ship smaller than a frigate wouldn't get a full post-captain to command it, it would get a commander who would be called "captain" by courtesy. You've missed out unrated post - ships which it ain't surprising in such a great Dutch built lubber as yourself.
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Jun 19, 2017 17:46
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FredMSloniker posted:NeXt Generation: The Animated Series intro  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L54GYRcxSM&t=36s
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Jun 19, 2017 17:48
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You know, Riker cavorting with the disc-and-cone-game lady on Risa, followed by Troi making love to her chocolate fudge sundae, makes The Game the least sexy instalment of Star Trek I've seen thus far by a long, long measure.
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Jun 19, 2017 18:18
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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FredMSloniker posted:Picard gives an order (no voice, because the butt-rock version of the TNG theme is too loud) and points dramatically at the viewscreen; cut to the Enterprise blasting the Vengeance with phasers and photon torpedoes until the Klingon captain grits his teeth in rage and barks an order to have the Vengeance retreat into warp. Have the whole bridge crew beam onto a boulder or something to pose dramatically. Who does the "KIDS! SAY NO TO DRUGS!" psa at the end? Geordi and Data?
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spincube posted:You know, Riker cavorting with the disc-and-cone-game lady on Risa, followed by Troi making love to her chocolate fudge sundae, makes The Game the least sexy instalment of Star Trek I've seen thus far by a long, long measure. It also has a Wesley kiss. Wheat Loaf posted:Who does the "KIDS! SAY NO TO DRUGS!" psa at the end? Geordi and Data? Guinan. "We had a lot of fun today, but what's not fun is the things that drugs do to your body, and your mind. Starfleet winners don't do drugs!"
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WampaLord posted:It also has a Wesley kiss. from the Traveler
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FredMSloniker posted:The intro would show off all the protagonists and antagonists. The flagship of the evil Star Empire (imagine the TNG promo guy doing the narration and pronouncing it 'Staaaaar Empire'), the classic Klingon ship named the Vengeance, flies toward the screen, and we dissolve into its bridge, where we see a Romulan, an Orion slave girl (as sexy as they can make her given the content rating), a hybrid Borg (in this show, most of the Borg are full-on robots, but this one is human), a Ferengi, a few miscellaneous aliens, and the Klingon captain. Move down, out of the bridge, to see the planet it's over, explosions visible from space. This is 10x better than the Discovery premise thus far
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Jun 19, 2017 18:21
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WampaLord posted:Guinan. Presumably every character would get one. "Hey, kids, Geordi here. Sometimes you'll fall in love with a holographic projection of a girl you like, and that's great! But remember, if she doesn't like you back when you meet her for real, it's all her fault. So stay safe and keep on trekkin'!"
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Jun 19, 2017 18:26
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Hello, children. My name is Data. While I do not require food, it is an established scientific fact that human children, such as yourselves, are healthiest when consuming a nutritious morning meal. For instance, this selection depicted on your screen at this time. It is imperative that you continue trekking within the appropriate safety parameters.
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Jun 19, 2017 18:49
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Wow. The network premiere is after an NFL football game. This is an astoundingly savvy move by CBS, because if there's one thing Star Trek nerds love, it's NFL football.
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Jun 19, 2017 19:36
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Sash! posted:Hello, children. My name is Data. While I do not require food, it is an established scientific fact that human children, such as yourselves, are healthiest when consuming a nutritious morning meal. For instance, this selection depicted on your screen at this time. It is imperative that you continue trekking within the appropriate safety parameters. 
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Jun 19, 2017 19:41
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WhiteHowler posted:Wow. The network premiere is after an NFL football game. Definitely make sure that your Pilot for an expensive new series is set tentatively at the half-hour after a variable-length sporting event and/or a news show famous for going over time even though the length of the program is literally the name of the program. Is someone intentionally sabotaging this or are they simply this incompetent?
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FredMSloniker posted:The intro would show off all the protagonists and antagonists. The flagship of the evil Star Empire (imagine the TNG promo guy doing the narration and pronouncing it 'Staaaaar Empire'), the classic Klingon ship named the Vengeance, flies toward the screen, and we dissolve into its bridge, where we see a Romulan, an Orion slave girl (as sexy as they can make her given the content rating), a hybrid Borg (in this show, most of the Borg are full-on robots, but this one is human), a Ferengi, a few miscellaneous aliens, and the Klingon captain. Move down, out of the bridge, to see the planet it's over, explosions visible from space. This makes me disappointed that I can't find TNG footage cut to 90'x X-Men cartoon theme, because that is exactly what I was hearing in my head while reading this.
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The Bloop posted:Definitely make sure that your Pilot for an expensive new series is set tentatively at the half-hour after a variable-length sporting event and/or a news show famous for going over time even though the length of the program is literally the name of the program. Six of one...
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I thought the first episode of Discovery was weird, since it dedicated the first 20 minutes to the end of an old football game for some reason. Then it just jumps in halfway through a completely different story with no character introductions. Maybe it's a Futurama reference or something.
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Jun 19, 2017 20:01
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skasion posted:Six of one... What kind of weird Borg designation is that
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Jun 19, 2017 20:05
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thexerox123 posted:What kind of weird Borg designation is that "I am not a number! I am a free man!" "Resistance is futile."
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Jun 19, 2017 20:18
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The_Doctor posted:"I am not a number! I am a free man!" I'd like to see the Borg try to assimilate Rover.
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Picard: "Commander Data, what are you doing?" Data: "I am smoking a cigarette, captain. It is an attempt to appear more socially acceptable to the crew." Troi: "Even though smoking doesn't damage your robot body, it can still be dangerous to other lifeforms." Data: "I was not aware of that." Geordi: "Second hand smoke from a cigarette can put all of us in harms way." Crusher: "In fact, second hand smoke may even be more dangerous than if you were smoking it directly." Worf: "It is truly dishonorable." Data: "From now on, the only smoking I will partake in is if my processor is overheating." *sparks fly from his head* Geordi: "Say it don't spray it!" Picard: "Warp 10 to good health!"
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Jun 19, 2017 20:21
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I really wish there was a post Voyager something. One interesting thing that came out of that show was that they rehabilitated several borg drones. That should be an interesting development when they get back. The Federation should start collecting drones and freeing them. That would be a nice mission for an organization that is interested in making the galaxy better for everyone. Would make for some cool stories about where the people came from and how they were turned into drones. Plus it could end with enough intel being found on the Borg to bring them down and end that lame villain once and for all.
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Jun 19, 2017 20:30
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vermin posted:Picard: "Commander Data, what are you doing?" They all stand there laughing as the 'Executive Producer - Gene Roddenberry' credit comes up. Fade to black.
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Mid season break just cemented the fact that there's no way in hell I'm subscribing to all access for it. gently caress you CBS. It's perfectly timed to make you purchase two full months of all access in the fall when you really only need it for like a month and a half. There's similar waste after it starts back up again. So, basically, you are asking us to shell out about $30 to watch a commercial laden sub-par stream that we don't even own at the end. Nope, nope nope nope.
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Cojawfee posted:I really wish there was a post Voyager something. One interesting thing that came out of that show was that they rehabilitated several borg drones. That should be an interesting development when they get back. The Federation should start collecting drones and freeing them. That would be a nice mission for an organization that is interested in making the galaxy better for everyone. Would make for some cool stories about where the people came from and how they were turned into drones. Plus it could end with enough intel being found on the Borg to bring them down and end that lame villain once and for all. A Federation ... collective ... beaming onto Borg ships, and forcibly indoctrinating them?
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