Cythereal posted:

Mortal Kombat Jason also a possibility, though I don't know what he could bring to the table that's original beyond shouting FATALITY when he kills someone.

WoodrowSkillson posted:

pamela really needs to be some kind of completely different antagonist though. she can't just be a reskin/ability swap. I honestly do not see it working with this game unless it's a dedicated map with a bunch of gimmicks

Cythereal posted:

Mortal Kombat Jason also a possibility, though I don't know what he could bring to the table that's original beyond shouting FATALITY when he kills someone.

codenameFANGIO posted:

I actually just got Mortal Kombat XL the other day and I was noting how much worse their design for Jason is than the actual movie versions. Not that I am against more Jason choices but he's really generic.

A GLISTENING HODOR posted:

Just thought of a great one. To stop the car a stealth Pam can get in as the driver and wreck the car then go on a kill spree, or as a passenger kill the driver then go on a kill spree.

Pam could be anyone until the betrayal/turn.

Tomahawk posted:

Uber Jason should only be accessible by rolling Random Jason.

It'd be super rare because not only would you have to win the 1/8 roll for Jason but then a 1/10 (or worse) roll for Uber Jason.

But it'd be acceptably OP

404notfound posted:

Could smashing all the generators at the beginning be potentially less effective than waiting? The initial smash will get a spike of fear out of anyone nearby, I'm assuming (based on the voice cues), but once the lights are out you can avoid the fear buildup by keeping your flashlight on. Plus, you don't even have sense yet at the beginning, which gives the counselors time to lose their fear. Seems like it might be better to save a generator smash until you know you're near a group of counselors, and then you can quickly pop on sense and chase people down.

Skoll posted:

Pamela as a stealthy character with some quick nasty executions would own.

Burkion posted:

Tinfoil Papercut posted:

Here's an example of what you are missing out on:

• A British man controlling Jason Vorhees is chasing you while
  
• Playing children's songs over his microphone while
  
• Chasing you and Snatch Duster who
  
• Is screaming about how terrible you and Jason both are while
  
• He hits Jason in the face with a baseball bat and
  
• This goes on for 10 minutes like a Benny Hill scene while
  
• You wonder what the gently caress everyone else is getting accomplished then
  
• You die horribly in a fireplace only to
  
• Spectate in the afterlife and see Burk who
  
• Is playing Chubbs McGee, the worst counselor and
  
• Is in a cabin jerking off literally as far from anyone or any objectives as he can be then
  
• Jason kills him horribly as he tries to negotiate for his life.

WoodrowSkillson posted:

Are you proposing Pam gets one of the female counselor models? I feel like it would be really easy to make a pam since once that drops everyone is gonna take close note of which counselors people pick, or if they are set to random.

A GLISTENING HODOR posted:

Nope.

Remember, in the first movie every glimpse of the killer was a male.

It being a tiny old woman was the big twist.

Lastdancer posted:

Only problem I see is you would die very quick to a mob scenario which would probably lead to a lot of running away instead of hunting

chitoryu12 posted:

The idea would be to effectively pick people off because she's not as tough as Jason. Jason is completely impossible to kill outside of performing a specific sequence of actions with specific characters and items, so he can juggernaut his way around the map and smash every door and window to pieces while you hope he chases anyone other than you.

Pamela Voorhees was defeated in the first movie by a terrified girl barely old enough to drink because she went on the offensive once, and she temporarily escaped several times by simply hitting Pamela in the face and running. She got all of her kills by carefully ambushing the others, luring them away and using tricks like blinding them with lights to walk right up to them.

codenameFANGIO posted:

I actually just got Mortal Kombat XL the other day and I was noting how much worse their design for Jason is than the actual movie versions. Not that I am against more Jason choices but he's really generic.

404notfound posted:

Could smashing all the generators at the beginning be potentially less effective than waiting? The initial smash will get a spike of fear out of anyone nearby, I'm assuming (based on the voice cues), but once the lights are out you can avoid the fear buildup by keeping your flashlight on. Plus, you don't even have sense yet at the beginning, which gives the counselors time to lose their fear. Seems like it might be better to save a generator smash until you know you're near a group of counselors, and then you can quickly pop on sense and chase people down.

chitoryu12 posted:

The idea would be to effectively pick people off because she's not as tough as Jason. Jason is completely impossible to kill outside of performing a specific sequence of actions with specific characters and items, so he can juggernaut his way around the map and smash every door and window to pieces while you hope he chases anyone other than you.

Pamela Voorhees was defeated in the first movie by a terrified girl barely old enough to drink because she went on the offensive once, and she temporarily escaped several times by simply hitting Pamela in the face and running. She got all of her kills by carefully ambushing the others, luring them away and using tricks like blinding them with lights to walk right up to them.

WoodrowSkillson posted:

So how are you proposing this works. She uses Jason's model? How is she supposed to do things you mentioned like starting the car without the keys, or killing a driver from the passenger seat? What stops the players from just banding together and beating the poo poo out of her as soon as they can? She might get a couple kills early, but in any game where she is the killer everyone will just group up as fast as possible and force a confrontation.

codenameFANGIO posted:

I actually just got Mortal Kombat XL the other day and I was noting how much worse their design for Jason is than the actual movie versions. Not that I am against more Jason choices but he's really generic.

Tinfoil Papercut posted:

I'm not sure if they will do Pamela - but I would think they'd have to do some sort of "deception" type killer in order to be balanced with the current maps.

Here's my idea below:

(Let's call the player playing Pam as Player "P", all other Counselors Players "C")

• Launch lobby menu doesn't give away that the Player "P" has picked Pam, it shows as a Jason.
  
  
• All Player C's see another Player C's Jason at the start of the match intro with Chad-face.
  
  
• The score screen displays that other Player C as the selected Jason, even though they are not.
  
  
• Player P appears as a counselor on the score screen.
  
  
• Pam starts with walkie and can communicate over it.
  
  
• Pam can see everyone on her map.
  
  
• Pam can hover the cursor over the map and see information on the player, including username and which counselor they are.
  
  
• Pam has a power to interrupt walkie communication for a time.
  
  
• Pam has a power which triggers Jason proximity music to come from a designated location, a Player C, or him/herself.
  
  
• Pam appears as a white dot on the map of Player C's. One dot is removed so you cannot count 8 and figure out it's a Pam. Pam can turn off her white dot for a time.
  
  
• Pam can place Jason traps.
  
  
• Pam can hide in counselor hiding places.
  
  
• Pam can morph, her morph will move her INSIDE a cabin. Pam cannot morph to an occupied cabin, however.
  
  
• Pam kills with a bow + arrow and a knife. Pam's weaponry deals a massive amount of damage if it strikes from behind, the knife is instantly lethal without the thick skin perk.
  
  
• Pam can go for environmental grab-kills, but only if you are injured. She'll probably need 2 hands.
  
  
• Pam can be killed, but she does not get stunned or knocked down for very long.
  
  
• Pam cannot break down doors, but she can vault windows.
  
  
• Pam can run fast. (Vanessa speed, without stamina)
  
  
• Pam constantly hears a young boys voice throughout the match, saying things like: "They won't help me, mommy!"
  

So basically Pam makes you think there's a Jason in the match and mindfucks you the entire game. Her strategy is to isolate you, and then either fool you into thinking she's a friendly, or waits to ambush you inside a cabin. When she moves for the kill, she'll turn off the walkie communication so you cannot warn anyone that it's actually a Pam and not Jason.

The idea is that you have no clue it's a Pam until you actually see her. Pam is very strong so long as people don't know it's Pam, but once the cat is out of the bag it becomes much harder for her.

A GLISTENING HODOR posted:

Picture if Tiffany was on your screen and unknown to you she's blocking your transmissions.

Then Tiffany goes for a stab and on your screen you now see Pamela. If you die, you die. If you live you know there's a Pam cloaked as a counselor.

Pam is cloaked as any counselor until a kill animation.

So, in the car scenario, if Adam, Chad, and Lachappa never saw Tiffany was Pam, and the guy who died wasn't able to tell them "there is a Pam", 3 oblivious people are in the car with the killer. The secret Pam hits X to kill the driver, Lachappa, the other 2 get out and now see Pamela.

If they evade Pam, or lose line of sight, they now see the living players avatars. Suddenly Chad walks up to Adam. "Oh thank God it's you, Chad". But that's not Chad. It's Pam.

Pam is cloaked as a living counselor until the final living person is alone on the map with the Pam.

So that's how she hides, behaves like a normal person, but if played right no one knows.

IF word gets out there's a Pam, now everyone is suspicious of everyone else because you can't know who Pam is unless you're the "final girl".

But what about team chat?

It's easy. Since Pam can be anyone, if you ask JohnFuck99 if he's Pam, and he is, but you see JohnFuck99's Chad avatar, he just says "lol no". Then you die. If you escape, you can tell people JohnFuck99 = Chad = Pam, but Pam is now walking up to the others looking like xXxMikePissxXx in xXxMikePissxXx's Adam avatar.