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Yeah, at least we are comforted by the fact that he died on the same arbitrary patch of dirt occupied by his parents after being imprisoned for stealing a sheet of paper. That makes things way more tolerable.
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Ague Proof posted:Jesus Christ. He tried to do everything right. He didn't succeed every time, and he hosed up sometimes (a lot?) with some huge blindspots, but you could tell he tried and he cared. While I agree that being black in America is terrible, that comparison is misleading. A president's popularity tends to increase over time after they leave office. Chances are that Obama's popularity will increase substantially over the next 8 years.
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During what conversation? What'd he say?
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An inmate died after being locked in a scalding shower for two hours. His guards won’t be charged.
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Trabisnikof posted:Voter disenfranchisement is still an option. It won them multiple states, and possibly the WH, in the 2016 election. It's only going to continue to get worse. If/when Kennedy decides that the evidence he previously asked for isn't good enough it'll further bolster voter suppression from the right.
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nachos posted:lol at Louise Mensch
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TheMadMilkman posted:While I agree that being black in America is terrible, that comparison is misleading. A president's popularity tends to increase over time after they leave office. Chances are that Obama's popularity will increase substantially over the next 8 years. But 59% for Bush?
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LaserShark posted:That's... that's some Axis of Evil poo poo right there. Am I wrong here? US and Russia building reactors for the Saudis, who then give the Russians guns? That's getting back into Bad Spy Novel territory. I mean, if by "bad spy novel" you mean "pretty much on par with Iran Contra" then sure.
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Ague Proof posted:But 59% for Bush? Being "not Trump" in 2017 is a helluva popularity boost probably
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Ague Proof posted:But 59% for Bush? I've heard many of my very left-leaning friends describe Bush as dumb but charming in the wake of the Trump presidency. People forgot what an unmitigated disaster Dubya's presidency was.
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Burt Buckle posted:I've heard many of my very left-leaning friends describe Bush as dumb but charming in the wake of the Trump presidency. People forgot what an unmitigated disaster Dubya's presidency was. It shows that people are stupid and have short memories. And that American democracy isn't on solid footing.
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my bony fealty posted:We'll all be eating crow when it turns out Flynn is the good guy and has been playing the long game to take down Trump "Yeah! Lock her up!" He shouted, forcing an uneasy, awkward smile onto his face. He waved his hand through the air jerkily, not quite above his head. "Forgive me, Hillary," he thought, fighting back tears. "It's what has to be done."
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Burt Buckle posted:I've heard many of my very left-leaning friends describe Bush as dumb but charming in the wake of the Trump presidency. People forgot what an unmitigated disaster Dubya's presidency was. When he's retired, he's just a guy painting his feet and shying away from limelight. Lots easier to not hate the second guy than the first.
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Obama didn't send Seal Team Six to storm the beaches of North Korea to save kid from his own hubris, Lock Him Up. Unrelated, hate speech is officially free speech. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.ebd31dbf0c38
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nachos posted:lol at Louise Mensch in the comments Is Louise Mensch accurate or is she left-wing infowars
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He also paints cats and called Trump's speech "some weird poo poo." If i was taking a phone poll that asked me if I had a favorable opinion of GWB right now I'd probably say yes. That doesn't mean I approved of his presidency. Favorable and approval are different.
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OctaMurk posted:Is Louise Mensch accurate or is she left-wing infowars Well she sometimes gets things right, but that isn't saying much.
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Until Trump kills more people than the Iraq War he's still a better president than Dubya. A lot of people (especially centrist dems) don't really count Iraq against him though because they supported the war. To them it was just bad intelligence. Oops.
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OctaMurk posted:Is Louise Mensch accurate or is she left-wing infowars She's a Tory. She just hates Trump + crazy (but maybe has OK sources for some stuff?)
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mcmagic posted:It shows that people are stupid and have short memories. And that American democracy isn't on solid footing. Nah. It shows how far we've fallen. Bush was a nightmare. Trump is the endgame. Not surprised people are looking back on Bush fondly.
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Mensch has also claimed to have sources on the Supreme Court, iirc.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Until Trump kills more people than the Iraq War he's still a better president than Dubya. A lot of people (especially centrist dems) don't really count Iraq against him though because they supported the war. To them it was just bad intelligence. Oops. I think "better president" is a really hard metric to use. Trump is such a weird loving president inasmuch as he doesn't know what the Presidency actally is. It's hard for him to be better or worse than most other presidents because he's not playing the same role as they did. I guess the fact he's worse AT presidenting makes him the better president over GWB, because he's too incompetent to enact his own agenda. I'd argue if he can actually get the AHCA passed through and signed that'd make him worse than GWB because it'll certainly kill more Americans in the long run than GWB did.
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OctaMurk posted:Is Louise Mensch accurate or is she left-wing infowars She's a Tory, so she isn't really left-wing anything. Also she's literally a conspiracy nut at this point. Lots of Democrats started buying into her poo poo during the election, though, and here we are.
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Mensch is "right" occasionally in the sense that her conspiracy theories are marbled with plausible guesses. People were talking about the possibility of Flynn cooperating as early as March. Now she'll be furiously waving this flag as though it proves all of her double secret FISA impeachment President Hatch bullshit. There's basically no reason to read her unless you want to be endlessly disappointed.
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Ague Proof posted:But 59% for Bush? When you're on fire having someone punch you in the face seems better. DreamShipWrecked posted:Obama didn't send Seal Team Six to storm the beaches of North Korea to save kid from his own hubris, Lock Him Up. An uncouth and edge-lordy trademark is not hate speech and it's disengenous to suggest it is. SCOTUS is right that the government shouldn't ban it...but you also shouldn't do it because it makes you a jackass. axeil fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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Elotana posted:Mensch is "right" occasionally in the sense that her conspiracy theories are marbled with plausible guesses. People were talking about the possibility of Flynn cooperating as early as March. Now she'll be furiously waving this flag as though it proves all of her double secret FISA impeachment President Hatch bullshit. But i want to believe
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Until Trump kills more people than the Iraq War he's still a better president than Dubya. A lot of people (especially centrist dems) don't really count Iraq against him though because they supported the war. To them it was just bad intelligence. Oops. Do you discount all of the lives he lost against all of the lives he saved with PEPFAR?
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Here's a better comparison between GWB and Trump. Bush  Trump 
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I don't pay attention to Louise Mensch and I've been under the assumption for months that Flynn was a cooperating witness
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Burt Buckle posted:I would still travel to North Korea. why
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Burt Buckle posted:I've heard many of my very left-leaning friends describe Bush as dumb but charming in the wake of the Trump presidency. People forgot what an unmitigated disaster Dubya's presidency was. Can you really be the worst president if you are too stupid to even have a coherent evil agenda to try to put in place, and you constantly shoot yourself in the foot because you're a psychological catastrophe with zero impulse control? Bush had the basic political skills needed to get his lovely forever war agenda pushed through pretty efficiently until maybe 2006. Nixon was crazy as gently caress but also super devious and successfully did a lot of awful poo poo before Watergate caught up to him. Trump is just a gigantic idiot who fell rear end-backwards into the office and is flailing around at random now as his approval continues to plumb new depths every week. I think Trump is the worst president in living memory just in terms of being just completely loving worthless as a human being though. If he falls short of W on body count it won't be for lack of innate terribleness.
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Burt Buckle posted:I've heard many of my very left-leaning friends describe Bush as dumb but charming in the wake of the Trump presidency. People forgot what an unmitigated disaster Dubya's presidency was. Isn't that how we won his two terms?
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FuriousxGeorge posted:An inmate died after being locked in a scalding shower for two hours. His guards won’t be charged. Holy poo poo, I had no idea Orange is the New Black was ripping that from the headlines.
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Burt Buckle posted:I've heard many of my very left-leaning friends describe Bush as dumb but charming in the wake of the Trump presidency. People forgot what an unmitigated disaster Dubya's presidency was. That's the problem with a form of government that invests a lot of authority into a single individual. A weak president is a vehicle for all those riding behind him. Trump seems to have picked up a complete clown car full.
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Even looking back at the things that he did that made me livid in the past, I can't work up the same level of anger as eight years ago. Even knowing that a lot of our current domestic and global problems are an end result of the things he did, I just think of a guy who painted himself naked in the bathtub. That might be because his reputation was trashed to the point where eight years later Republicans wanted nothing to do with him, but there's not a lot of harm that he's doing now in this minute. In the meantime, the Republicans have gone off the deep end and people wish for the "compassionate conservative" that was elected into office 16 years ago. I mean really, aside from the war crimes, spying, attempting to rein in free speech, and total economic collapse, was he really that bad of a guy? In eight years, Obama will be seen as some kind of angelic figure.
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the black husserl posted:Nah. It shows how far we've fallen. This is why I often stop and ask myself who is going to be the monster who gets people saying "you know, Trump wasn't that bad in comparison..." Because it's coming. Believe me.
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sean10mm posted:Can you really be the worst president if you are too stupid to even have a coherent evil agenda to try to put in place, and you constantly shoot yourself in the foot because you're a psychological catastrophe with zero impulse control? it depends on what kind of crises unfold on trump's watch. buchanan is widely regarded as the worst president because he completely failed to defuse the american civil war like his predecessors had done
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Elotana posted:Mensch is "right" occasionally in the sense that her conspiracy theories are marbled with plausible guesses. People were talking about the possibility of Flynn cooperating as early as March. Now she'll be furiously waving this flag as though it proves all of her double secret FISA impeachment President Hatch bullshit. I've been keeping her and Claude Taylor at arm's length for several months now, and it seems clear to me that both of them have one useful source of inside info/leaks, and probably dozens of unreliable sources & broke-brains -- and they simply can't tell the difference or curate their information properly. So I've been using them as one might use an unreliable witness in an investigation. Worth at least keeping in mind, maybe a cursory look into what they say, but nobody's getting a warrant based on their word.
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