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Starmaker posted:Do you think the flow of time will ever return to normal? Or will the next 3.5/7.5 years take ten thousand years to get through? GOP plan to address climate change looking p good
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Would it be possible for them to pass an "Oops we goofed and now everyone hates us" bill where they could take out at least some of the most horrifying stuff if the AHCA passes or is there no real way out of this? Screw it, second post is close enough. 
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Dogwood Fleet posted:Would it be possible for them to pass an "Oops we goofed and now everyone hates us" bill where they could take out at least some of the most horrifying stuff if the AHCA passes or is there no real way out of this? They're about to swallow their own poison pill. Committing all the way to such a horrible bill is unprecedented, it's a chamber full of guys that have either been hotboxing their own farts or see no choice but to keep huffing.
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Dogwood Fleet posted:Would it be possible for them to pass an "Oops we goofed and now everyone hates us" bill where they could take out at least some of the most horrifying stuff if the AHCA passes or is there no real way out of this? Here's the thing: they're doing this because they have to. If they had the votes for a less lovely bill then they'd pass a less lovely bill, but it's clear that they don't. Republicans may be evil, but they aren't killing people just for the hell of it. The hard line conservatives aren't going to accept something that isn't horrifying and they aren't going to get Democrats crossing over for what would essentially be a much worse version of the ACA. Then again, who knows? Maybe this'll be such a disaster that moderate Republicans will come together with Democrats to work on real healthcare reform, but I don't really believe in accelerationism so I doubt it. They'll probably just double down on their awful plan and go right back to obstruction once Democrats are back in power.
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Hollismason posted:I am pretty sure that insurance companies are actually writing the healthcare bill and not those guys so they'll put in everything that makes insurance companies happy. Normally I'd agree with you but I think we're seeing the GOP circling a vortex of cynicism and incompetence right now. It's not clear that they intend the bill to accomplish anything at all, besides scoring political points for their base and cutting taxes for the rich.
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Arglebargle III posted:Normally I'd agree with you but I think we're seeing the GOP circling a vortex of cynicism and incompetence right now. It's not clear that they intend the bill to accomplish anything at all, besides scoring political points for their base and cutting taxes for the rich. Their stumping for "patients choice" in this arena has always come off as really half-hearted, that they know that it's bs
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Paradoxish posted:Here's the thing: they're doing this because they have to. If they had the votes for a less lovely bill then they'd pass a less lovely bill, but it's clear that they don't. Republicans may be evil, but they aren't killing people just for the hell of it. The hard line conservatives aren't going to accept something that isn't horrifying and they aren't going to get Democrats crossing over for what would essentially be a much worse version of the ACA. Republicans have been obstructionist for seven years and they were never expecting to be in power. They railed against Obamacare and now they actually have to do something. By not doing something they are not only giving up the opportunity but showing that they stand for very little as a party beyond obstructionism. The thing is that Obama passed an extremely conservative bill. It was a handout to the insurance companies so the republicans couldn't do that to move the goal posts. They're not given much wiggle room to work with as it's already pretty pro big business. So when they try to craft something it's not only hot garbage because they don't have any wiggle room, but it's hot garbage because their party is so diverse that they can't agree on whether to change the law or repeal it. By not doing so they look weak and stupid. They're going to take pain whether they do something or not.
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Paradoxish posted:Here's the thing: they're doing this because they have to. If they had the votes for a less lovely bill then they'd pass a less lovely bill, but it's clear that they don't. Republicans may be evil, but they aren't killing people just for the hell of it. The hard line conservatives aren't going to accept something that isn't horrifying and they aren't going to get Democrats crossing over for what would essentially be a much worse version of the ACA. Maybe the ghosts of Christmas past, present, and future will visit McConnell in the night? I have preexisting conditions, but I can move to Canada if I really need to. There are a lot of people who can't.
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Years ago when I heard something about how the Supreme Court was going to strike down Obamacare my kneejerk response was that if this happened I should just put a bullet in my brain. Of course this was horrible and I probably will never actually do that. But drat, if Obamacare goes down, I really will feel the need to take to the streets in some way. Maybe graffiti something or track down the neon green Jeep I saw today with the Confederate flag sticker and the "ZOMBIE69" license plate . . . okay, I would need to do that anyway. That is unacceptable. I'm not really a politically active person and don't think I'm likely to be radicialized or whatever the term is, but if losing my health insurance and with it the financial progress I've made in the last few years will do this to me, I can't help but imagine that there are people out there whose attitude will be, gently caress it, I'm gonna die anyway, might as well take some of those responsible for it out with me. We still live in the country in which people shoot up their workplaces after getting fired. gently caress you guys I'm crying now
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Don't wait until you lose your health insurance. Get active now.
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loving hell this is good. gently caress Paul Ryan. It might be time for Congressman Iron Stache.
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I'd vote for that guy based solely on his ability to come up with a decent twitter handle.trickybiscuits posted:if Obamacare goes down, I really will feel the need to take to the streets in some way. Maybe graffiti something Everyone should do this. Discontent graffiti all over everything would look so much better than billboards for burger kings.
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Is Paul Ryan's district winnable by a Dem though? Only PVI+5 and includes two pivot counties that voted Obama in 2008/2012 and flipped to Trump. But this is the prime shithead Paul Ryan we're talking about. Sorry, didn't mean to scare you.
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Dogwood Fleet posted:Would it be possible for them to pass an "Oops we goofed and now everyone hates us" bill where they could take out at least some of the most horrifying stuff if the AHCA passes or is there no real way out of this? I've been wondering if they'll do exactly that. Make the AHCA as evil as possible so they can put bigger tax cuts without a 10-year sunset in the 2018 reconciliation (this is the real goal of their  healthcare reform).Then go to the Democrats and say "okay if you don't want the healthcare system to collapse help us pass a better bill that's still worse than ACA but not quite as horrible as what we just did", and count on Democrats having morals and giving a poo poo about the country. Which will probably work because Democrats aren't evil fucks like the GOP and won't purposely let America's healthcare explode in order to exploit it for political advantage like Republicans did when they sabotaged ACA every which way they could for 7 goddamn years. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Oh, huh, that explains the random "Why can't the Saudis have nukes? Everyone should have nukes!" comment by Trump during one of the debates. (And then we/the electoral college elected Trump anyways lol)
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Volkerball posted:http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/all-of-the-methods-of-torture-are-appalling-but-some-are-more-disturbing-than-others.png Don't give Glenn Beck click-throughs, thanks. LaserShark posted:Yeah, let's be honest, no goon is getting out of North Korea alive. Exception: Caro E: whoops, wrong guy Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:Don't give Glenn Beck click-throughs, thanks. While I appreciate the weird vote of confidence, I think you mean Caro. I'm not the crazy syrian torture dungeon guy.
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Caros posted:While I appreciate the weird vote of confidence, I think you mean Caro. I'm not the crazy syrian torture dungeon guy. Don't lie.
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Caros posted:While I appreciate the weird vote of confidence, I think you mean Caro. I'm not the crazy syrian torture dungeon guy. that sounds like something caro would say 
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Caros posted:While I appreciate the weird vote of confidence, I think you mean Caro. I'm not the crazy syrian torture dungeon guy. Yeah, whoops, I keep adding the 's' in my head when I think about that guy. v  vHaving interacted with Paul D. Ryan personally, I'd rather vote for a hot poo poo sandwich as an alternative. IronStache looks legit. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Republicans will pass the most hateful, nasty trash possible, and Trump will sign it and do everything he can to take credit for it. Since the GOP has been doing the entire process in secret and with as little salesmanship as possible, they think all of the blowback will go to Trump. Considering the many, many scandals going on, they can dump him when he's taken the credit for enough disastrous policy as he can take before it starts sticking to the rest of the GOP. Trump is their braindead scapegoat that they have to keep around and defend until they can get his dumb signature on their bullshit before their whole castle falls apart.
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dont even fink about it posted:This is the op-ed that made me decide to stop paying NYT every month, by the way. Also guys, when I actually read past the first paragraph of this Bret Stephens op-ed I found out I'm an idiot
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So when do we get the results and the inevitable "nothing matters" regardless of outcome?
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Caros would love North Korea and never even want to come home because they have the death penalty for libertarians.
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Fulchrum posted:So when do we get the results and the inevitable "nothing matters" regardless of outcome? The polls close at 7pm EST.
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dont even fink about it posted:Also guys, when I actually read past the first paragraph of this Bret Stephens op-ed I found out I'm an idiot yeah he goes on a bit too long, comedic timing is also a thing in writing it seems
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I think Rod Rosenstein duped Trump into firing Comey, knowing that this would expose Trumps to accusations of obstructing justice. Rosenstein has been in the DoJ since 1990. He's a seasoned Washington bureaucrat. Any seasoned politician like Obama or Bush would have known better, Trump did not.
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This is a fantastic ad and I love the guy's logo with the steel beams. I hope the AFL-CIO throws tons of money at his campaign. Also @IronStache is just about the best name. Though I can't help but feel like the DNC will support some other dude in the primaries, probably a boring white-collar carpetbagger, because Democrats like to forget that labor used to be their base. Drone fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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theflyingorc posted:Bush isn't bottom five. yes, he is.
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FizFashizzle posted:tune in next week..... ... For this term's finale!
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Civ X shall feature Bush II and Trump instead of the likes of Warren Harding and Nero.
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oh just a reminder rick perry let a 100 percent innocent guy get executed.
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Drone posted:This is a fantastic ad and I love the guy's logo with the steel beams. I hope the AFL-CIO throws tons of money at his campaign. Also @IronStache is just about the best name. You're thinking of the DCCC maybe, the DNC has literally no impact on Congressional primaries (and even then it comes down to who gets more votes, that being the function of primaries, the dccc just funds the candidate afterwards)
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So when Handel wins by like +35 tonight and the voting machines are immediately locked in a vault and set on fire with Republicans yelling "haha we win, no uh you can't see th-the voting machines, they're tired and need sleep", which area of the US should I move to in hopes of a secession movement taking me away from 10,000 years of Kakistocratic darkness?
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Ripoff posted:So when Handel wins by like +35 tonight and the voting machines are immediately locked in a vault and set on fire with Republicans yelling "haha we win, no uh you can't see th-the voting machines, they're tired and need sleep", which area of the US should I move to in hopes of a secession movement taking me away from 10,000 years of Kakistocratic darkness? Canada I think.
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