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joehonkie posted:
You shouldn't really have to make a flowchart to keep up with comics, but that's kinda how I feel it is with DC and Marvel.
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Alhazred posted:You shouldn't really have to make a flowchart to keep up with comics, but that's kinda how I feel it is with DC and Marvel. This is why i don't even try, busywork like that frustrates me. So i just read weird non mainstream stuff
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Jun 20, 2017 16:08
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It's finally as confusing to buy comics as it always has been to read them
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Jun 20, 2017 16:12
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got any sevens posted:This is why i don't even try, busywork like that frustrates me. So i just read weird non mainstream stuff The longer a story goes on, the more complicated it will get. Like. I'm reading Thorgal, which in theory is a relatively straight forward story about vikings, aliens and gods, but suddenly it began building up to a crisis-like event and if you don't read all the spin-offs and tie-ins you will be very lost.
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Jun 20, 2017 16:24
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just stick with manga, imo
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Jun 20, 2017 17:25
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Alhazred posted:You shouldn't really have to make a flowchart to keep up with comics, but that's kinda how I feel it is with DC and Marvel. quote:My friend: The Miles Morales ones I read confused me because I couldn’t tell if they were two different universes or I read them in the wrong order or what.
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Jun 20, 2017 17:35
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Been reading a couple of articles about the Tom Cruise Mummy movie - which might not have rendered the Dark Universe franchise DOA but has certainly made things harder for it - and how it's the biggest recent example of putting the cart before the horse. It has reminded me, didn't Sony (or whoever) have plans to create a Ghostbusters shared universe on the back of the 2016 reboot with solo movies for each member of the team etc.?
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Jun 20, 2017 19:51
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They definitely intended Ghostbusters 2016 to be the start of a ~cinematic universe~ though I'm not sure about the specific details of future additions.
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Jun 20, 2017 20:02
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Wheat Loaf posted:Been reading a couple of articles about the Tom Cruise Mummy movie - which might not have rendered the Dark Universe franchise DOA but has certainly made things harder for it - and how it's the biggest recent example of putting the cart before the horse. It has reminded me, didn't Sony (or whoever) have plans to create a Ghostbusters shared universe on the back of the 2016 reboot with solo movies for each member of the team etc.? I know that Sony wanted to create a Robin Hood shared universe.
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Jun 20, 2017 20:38
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Alhazred posted:I know that Sony wanted to create a Robin Hood shared universe. Nothing is ever going to approach the Tommy Westphall Multiverse so they might as well not bother.
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Jun 20, 2017 20:50
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Wait, the current Miles isn't the Miles from the Ultimate Universe?
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Jun 20, 2017 21:00
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Guy Goodbody posted:Wait, the current Miles isn't the Miles from the Ultimate Universe? So the implication is no, it's not technically.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:06
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Wheat Loaf posted:Been reading a couple of articles about the Tom Cruise Mummy movie - which might not have rendered the Dark Universe franchise DOA but has certainly made things harder for it - and how it's the biggest recent example of putting the cart before the horse. It has reminded me, didn't Sony (or whoever) have plans to create a Ghostbusters shared universe on the back of the 2016 reboot with solo movies for each member of the team etc.? Something like that, yeah.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:06
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The current Miles is definitely the Miles from the Ultimate Universe, but his past has been altered in some way. Spider-Men II is going to dive into that and will also touch on the Miles Morales that is originally from the 616 universe that was teased in the first Spider-Men series.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:08
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X-O posted:The current Miles is definitely the Miles from the Ultimate Universe, but his past has been altered in some way. Spider-Men II is going to dive into that and will also touch on the Miles Morales that is originally from the 616 universe that was teased in the first Spider-Men series. There's a new manga out called Delicious in Dungeon. It's about a group of adventurers who lose all their money so they decide that rather than buying food before they go into the dungeon, they'll just figure out how to cook and eat standard Dungeons and Dragons monsters. It's really funny, and gets super in depth about the anatomy of mythical monsters and how to prepare them  I think I like that more than a character getting changed via big crossover event, and you'll find out what actually happened a couple years later in another big crossover event
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Jun 20, 2017 21:16
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X-O posted:The current Miles is definitely the Miles from the Ultimate Universe, but his past has been altered in some way. Spider-Men II is going to dive into that and will also touch on the Miles Morales that is originally from the 616 universe that was teased in the first Spider-Men series. Wait, there's a separate 616-native Miles? I can't tell my friend about that. He'll never pick up another comic.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:28
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joehonkie posted:Wait, there's a separate 616-native Miles? I can't tell my friend about that. He'll never pick up another comic. It made more sense originally when Ultimate was a similar-but-different universe but now it's probably just going to end up with 616 Miles becoming Superior Venom or something.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:41
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joehonkie posted:Wait, there's a separate 616-native Miles? I can't tell my friend about that. He'll never pick up another comic. There is, but he's never appeared. Peter just googled him after meeting Ultimate Miles.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:50
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joehonkie posted:Wait, there's a separate 616-native Miles? I can't tell my friend about that. He'll never pick up another comic. Well, we're going to find out together. His name only appeared at the very, very end of Spider-Men. 
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Jun 20, 2017 21:51
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Alhazred posted:I know that Sony wanted to create a Robin Hood shared universe. The Last Airbender is an early example, Terminator: Genisys does it, it's part of what brought down Amazing Spider-Man 2, but my favorite example is that Peter Pan origin story. The movie starts with Captain Hook as a good guy who's friends with Peter, and by the end of the movie, Captain Hook is... still a good guy who's friends with Peter. They were that sure they were going to get more movies, they couldn't even be bothered to do the inevitable Hook heel turn.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:57
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redbackground posted:Well, we're going to find out together. His name only appeared at the very, very end of Spider-Men. I choose to believe Peter clicked "pics" and 616 Miles is a porn star.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:58
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Alhazred posted:I know that Sony wanted to create a Robin Hood shared universe. It seems like the only time Sony does something right it is purely by accident.
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Jun 20, 2017 22:41
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Endless Mike posted:I choose to believe Peter clicked "pics" and 616 Miles is a porn star. Honestly, with the rest of that page's intense Parker beefcake, it's hard not to read homoeroticism into it.
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Jun 20, 2017 22:43
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Endless Mike posted:I choose to believe Peter clicked "pics" and 616 Miles is a porn star.
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Jun 20, 2017 22:51
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At the moment, all you need to follow for Miles is Spider-Man. Plus Champions if you want Miles and his amazing friends.
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Jun 20, 2017 23:18
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CapnAndy posted:It's endemic to movies ever since Marvel kicked the door down. I call it franchise smugness, which is a terrible name, but I can't think of a better one: assuming you're going to get infinite sequels and that means you don't actually have to resolve anything about the plot and can just spend 2 hours waving around easter eggs and blathering out exposition. The worst offenders of this in my opinion are X-men Origins Wolverine and Batman V Superman. In the former case it kept on setting up spin-offs literally much the entire film including after the loving credits. As a result the film was so poo poo that the two next films (X-men origins: Magneto and First Class) were merged into one film which went out of it's way to have gently caress-all to do with the previous movie, was retconned via time fuckery in the film after that (Days of Future Past,) and then directly mocked in the one film that was supposed to be a spin off of (Deadpool.) There is still one flim in development that was originally intended to be a spin off of Origins buts its pretty much been in development hell since it's inception, and if it ever comes out, it too with have gently caress all to do with Origins. Now in Batman v Superman, Wonder Woman's entire loving subplot was there just to bloat out the runtime and stick in advertisements for not just a spin off of Batman V Superman (Wonder Woman,) but for spin offs of the next mainline entry of the series. I mean the film literally came to a stop right before the final act of the film to show us teaser trailers for spin offs of the Justice League.
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Jun 20, 2017 23:26
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joehonkie posted:Wait, there's a separate 616-native Miles? I can't tell my friend about that. He'll never pick up another comic. The last page of Spider-Men (when 616 Peter Parker ended up in the Ultimate universe and hung out with Miles, it's actually a pretty good miniseries) is Peter back in the 616 and he googles "Miles Morales" and then has a shocked look on his face. There's been no follow-up on that whatsoever until now.
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Jun 20, 2017 23:32
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Alhazred posted:I know that Sony wanted to create a Robin Hood shared universe. Robin Hood just needs a reboot which emphasises the humblebragging aspects of Robin's personality. He needs to be the sort of hero to whom robbing the rich to give to the poor is N.B.D. Maybe he should get involved in some tough mudder as well. Very buzzworthy. David D. Davidson posted:The worst offenders of this in my opinion are X-men Origins Wolverine and Batman V Superman. In the former case it kept on setting up spin-offs literally much the entire film including after the loving credits. As a result the film was so poo poo that the two next films (X-men origins: Magneto and First Class) were merged into one film which went out of it's way to have gently caress-all to do with the previous movie, was retconned via time fuckery in the film after that (Days of Future Past,) and then directly mocked in the one film that was supposed to be a spin off of (Deadpool.) There is still one flim in development that was originally intended to be a spin off of Origins buts its pretty much been in development hell since it's inception, and if it ever comes out, it too with have gently caress all to do with Origins. I don't think it's as bad in either of those cases because at least they weren't the first movies in their respective series. You already had the first three X-Men movies to set up what that world was all about, and you'd already had Man of Steel, which gave you a sense of what the world this Superman lived in was like so that you could have further stories taking place in it. With stuff like the Tom Cruise Mummy film or Dracula Untold from a couple of years ago, it's by most accounts putting the cart before the horse. Imagine if, say, Iron Man 2 had been the first MCU movie. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Jun 21, 2017 02:23
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I think the big misunderstanding films are having with their attempts to recreate the success of the Marvel Universe is that they're neglecting the core premise of a shared superhero comic book: Everything is true. The comic book versions of the DC and Marvel universe is a place where all mythologies, a good deal of public domain fiction, and pretty much every trope you can think of of co-exist. But it's not a fantasy world really. Our world roughly as is also exists in these universes because everything is true. You can literally tell any story in the DC and Marvel Universe with very little limitation. And DC and Marvel haven't quite capitalized that on their films, but it's still there to a degree. As much as Marvel is shat on for having movies that don't have their own identity on an aesthetic level, Thor is still a fantasy film and Winter Solider is a political thriller and Ant Man is a heist movie and Guardians of the Galaxy is a rock space opera. There is still that broad possibility space because once again, you're dealing with a world where everything is true. Trying to create a Universal Horror shared universe is flawed because there's only so far you can take it because it's all just horror or action horror. And it's with characters that don't necessarily compliment each other unless you have Abbot and Costello acting as the connective tissue. Ultimately you could have just been better off trying to make a decent Dracula movie. But also remember that the Marvel Universe is a place where Dracula not only exists but fights vampire-Shaft and they coexist in the same place as Frankenstein and also Godzilla and a character is for all intents and purposes Donald Duck.
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Jun 21, 2017 02:32
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David D. Davidson posted:
The movie was called Dawn of Justice.
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Jun 21, 2017 02:46
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I'm just glad Justice has Dawned in time for the Justice League to deliver some motherfucking JUSTICE to these space aliens thinking they can just come on over and break our laws. It'll be cool to finally watch Superman just 100% whale on evil aliens all movie long rather than have to sit through another boring two hours of him saving people's lives and serving as an inspiration for humanity to rise above itself.
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Jun 21, 2017 03:23
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Ghostlight posted:It'll be cool to finally watch Superman just 100% whale on evil aliens all movie long rather than have to sit through another boring two hours of him saving people's lives and serving as an inspiration for humanity to rise above itself.
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Jun 21, 2017 04:06
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Ghostlight posted:I'm okay with Spider-Man not looking at child pornography.
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Jun 21, 2017 04:15
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Endless Mike posted:There's no reason 616 Miles has to be a child considering 616 Peter is an adult and Ultimate Peter was like 16 when he died. wasn't the whole point of Ultimate Spider-man so they can have a child Spider-Man again? Ending up with two adult Spider-mans seems like a waste
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Jun 21, 2017 04:17
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Guy Goodbody posted:wasn't the whole point of Ultimate Spider-man so they can have a child Spider-Man again? Ending up with two adult Spider-mans seems like a waste there are like four adult spider-men/women. 616 native Miles is an unknown, 1610 (Ultimate) Miles is still a teenager and now thinks he was always in the 616.
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Jun 21, 2017 04:34
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CapnAndy posted:Joke's on you, hope you like 90 minutes of assembling the other six jagoffs and a CGI-fest against loving Steppenwulf instead!
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David D. Davidson posted:There is still one flim in development that was originally intended to be a spin off of Origins buts its pretty much been in development hell since it's inception, and if it ever comes out, it too with have gently caress all to do with Origins. The Gambit movie is just a prank that Hollywood executives likes to play on Channing Tatum.
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Jun 21, 2017 07:28
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Alhazred posted:The longer a story goes on, the more complicated it will get. Like. I'm reading Thorgal, which in theory is a relatively straight forward story about vikings, aliens and gods, but suddenly it began building up to a crisis-like event and if you don't read all the spin-offs and tie-ins you will be very lost. Franco-Belgian comics having spin-offs and tie-ins will never not be weird to me. Isn't part of the appeal supposed to be that they're nothing like superhero comics? At least there's only like three for Thorgal. I've been thinking of reading Lanfeust of Troy, and there's a bunch. As far as I can tell they're pretty much sequential though. CapnAndy posted:Joke's on you, hope you like 90 minutes of assembling the other six jagoffs and a CGI-fest against loving Steppenwulf instead! It's kind of a shame that instead of Kirby Steppenwolf, who is pretty cool, we're getting Goldar from the new Power Rangers movie.
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Jun 21, 2017 10:03
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I haven't seen what they're doing in the movie but Kirby Steppenwolf would look absurd and not in a good way.
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Lightning Lord posted:Franco-Belgian comics having spin-offs and tie-ins will never not be weird to me. Isn't part of the appeal supposed to be that they're nothing like superhero comics? I don't think that's how they define themselves, no
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