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JazzFlight posted:Oh cool, it's like the Bigger Luke Theory. Nah, it's the "I reverse image searched that picture because it looked weird".
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Franchescanado posted:They are vocal fans of the guy, doesn't mean he listens to them, let alone him going to over 300 shows.  That's David Lynch front row at a spin doctors show at the wetlands. It's a pretty famous picture I thought. He's really into jam bands.
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kaworu posted:You know - I honestly never knew that the Warren Frost who p[layed Doc Hayward was Mark Frost's father! Well, actually I think I may have read about it at SOME point, but it didn't stick. That is really so cool. Michael Ontkean is retired. I don't blame him for wanting to stay that way. It's a shame, but oh well. I really enjoy how Gordon/Albert have become such central characters with Coop in a torpor. You could almost argue Gordon is the main character now. David Lynch is stealing every god damned scene he's in too.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Yeah it was a rocky start on arguably the wrong network, but if I were a streaming media company I would be reading this poo poo right here and yelling at someone to start shoveling money in David Lynch's direction. Netflix would probably be up for whatever he wants to do, they were just talking about how they realized they erred by having 80 unique original series running at once and are going to cancel several and focus on really strong single showrunner voice kind of stuff they can market more easily. Plus they've experimented with staggering their release, like for The Get Down did a complete an eight episode season, but only released the first half of it for a while, then the second half. Something like that seems ideal since it would allow for whatever mini-series/one off kind of stuff Lynch feels like doing. Surprised that some people found it weird that a diner is busy in the middle of the night. 
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So I'm working with the assumption that the unknown millionaire who funded the glass box room and orchestrated the various hits on Dougie/Cooper is BadCoop. BadCoop has demonstrated a preternatural knowledge and ability to mastermind plans dozens of steps in advance (evidenced by his prison stint and breakout), and in 25 years it's no great leap to believe that he's been able to accrue a fortune through any means necessary. BadCoop made Dougie as a sort of living doll turned phylactery so that when Cooper returned from the Waiting Room he wouldn't go back into Cooper's old body. BadCoop knows enough about the Black Lodge and Waiting Room that he perhaps knew the path Cooper would take on his return, hence the glass box and the video recordings. I don't think BadCoop was 100% confident in his plan through, and I think he knows that the Real Cooper is either enough of a force by himself or is being aided some how by elements in the White Lodge or the Waiting Room. This we see in his looks at the car's cigarette lighter (a conduit of electricity and the only way Cooper would be able to jump into BadCoop) and his contingency involving Ike "The Spike". He suspected that Dougie would be replaced with Cooper and hired I also think that BadCoop is a straight up rapist, that he forced himself on Audrey, spawning Richard, and did the same or tried to with Diane. He is a man with only wants, no needs, and is the antithesis of Cooper and his chastity. We also know BadCoop has a network of criminals that do not like him that he can call on for free. I don't believe he has paid anyone for any service at any part of the plan we are seeing; he has exerted control by force, threat of force, or with knowledge that he has no right to know. Knowing all of this, that BadCoop is capable beyond measure and has assets and human bodies to throw at a problem without any great worry to himself, why doesn't he take a more direct hand in Dougie/Cooper's assassination? It is certainly within his ability to break into Dougie's home while it's empty, wait for people to return, murder them, and leave without a trace. I can think of two reasons: One is that BadCoop can't risk getting too close to Cooper. Dougie's body was transformed when Cooper returned, which means that BadCoop isn't really in Cooper's body but in a copy of it. This could open up problems with reality that the show hasn't really touched on, but I wouldn't discount it out of hand. Second, and more likely, is that there is something more pressing to BadCoop than Dougie/Cooper's continued existence. I presume that if Dougie is killed then BadCoop won't have to worry about being returned to the Black Lodge. He has so far relied on other people to kill Dougie while he pursues something more important, something more valuable than another asset for his criminal empire. The man (who has the most cartoonish face I've ever seen) that he took with him out of prison has information that BadCoop was desperate for, so we'll likely get more on this next week. One last note: BadCoop wasn't 100% sure that his Dougie replacement plan would work, and he wasn't sure that his first (two, if the sniper and the bomb are considered separately) attempt to kill him would succeed. But the Annie that Laura dreamed about in Fire Walk With Me was certain that Dale was still trapped in the Lodge. I believe that the message that Dream Annie gave Laura wasn't meant to be found until now. Meaning that it's still relevant and that Dale is still in some way trapped in the Lodge. Dream Annie knew this with a certainty that BadCoop didn't, and she was right. I read this as another point of evidence that the forces of the Lodge are tipped in the favor of Cooper. BadCoop, who has rejected the Black Lodge and horded his garmonbozia, doesn't have the same knowledge that the Lodge, with it's powers unhindered by the linearity of time, was able to pass to the Twin Peaks Sheriff Department. LawfulWaffle fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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LawfulWaffle posted:He suspected that Dougie would be replaced with Cooper and hired Tammy to organize Dougie's assassination. When that didn't work, BadCoop activated (maybe with his prison phone call? I'm forgetting the order here) his man in Vegas to send Ike out to kill the loose end Tammy and Dougie. Now that this plan has failed, we will see if there is a third contingency, one that might call for the Vegas man, Ike, and Dougie's death.
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I wondered how Bad Coop knew about the issue he blackmailed The Warden with. Either he can read minds, or he planned it all out way in advance just in case that particular police department brought him in. But I don't think the latter is true because it didn't look like he expected to crash his car and get arrested. In any case it begs the question of why he waited so long to use that information when he's been in prison for presumably days to that point.
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LawfulWaffle posted:I also think that BadCoop is a straight up rapist, that he forced himself on Audrey, spawning Richard, and did the same or tried to with Diane. I doubt this, not just because we don't actually know when she last met with Coop, but because she reacts to seeing and talking Mr. C in such a way that implies she's never seen him before - that this man is not Dale Cooper. Prior to this scene she refers to Cooper as normal, which implies that he wasn't a soulless entity parading around in his body. My thought on this is that the last time they met was prior to Dale being sent to Twin Peaks, because that would've been the last chance she had to see the real Dale. Not only that, but she seems to have had feelings for him and felt betrayed when he never spoke to her again for 25 years; her attitude toward the mention of his name was enough to (essentially) tell Albert to gently caress off immediately. It's true that Mr. C refers to "the last time we met" and knew where it took place, but the same could be said for knowing Gordon Cole well enough to recognize him. That tells me that Mr. C has Coop's memories from the time he got stuck in the Lodge, and has been using Coop's knowledge to his advantage for the past 25 years to drive all his plans and machinations. JazzFlight posted:Just pointing out that woman's name was Lorraine. Tammy is the porny FBI agent. Attractive = "porny", got it.
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TheMaestroso posted:I doubt this, not just because we don't actually know when she last met with Coop, but because she reacts to seeing and talking Mr. C in such a way that implies she's never seen him before - that this man is not Dale Cooper. Prior to this scene she refers to Cooper as normal, which implies that he wasn't a soulless entity parading around in his body. My thought on this is that the last time they met was prior to Dale being sent to Twin Peaks, because that would've been the last chance she had to see the real Dale. Not only that, but she seems to have had feelings for him and felt betrayed when he never spoke to her again for 25 years; her attitude toward the mention of his name was enough to (essentially) tell Albert to gently caress off immediately. She did say "good" when they told her Coop was in a federal prison, which is a little weird for a ""haven't seen him in 25 years" reaction.
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Ginette Reno posted:I wondered how Bad Coop knew about the issue he blackmailed The Warden with. Either he can read minds, or he planned it all out way in advance just in case that particular police department brought him in. But I don't think the latter is true because it didn't look like he expected to crash his car and get arrested. Bad Coop was probably trying to see if he could fool Gordon. Then he would have an in at the FBI. When he realized that wasn't working, he went to Plan B. This show has really upped my anxiety about death. Like every episode has some focus on someone who is deathly ill, or has a scene with someone who died shortly after. That poo poo freaks me out more than anything from the Black Lodge.
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Ginette Reno posted:I wondered how Bad Coop knew about the issue he blackmailed The Warden with. Either he can read minds, or he planned it all out way in advance just in case that particular police department brought him in. But I don't think the latter is true because it didn't look like he expected to crash his car and get arrested. Not sure about the Strawberry stuff, but it could easily have been planned (he had the dog leg in his trunk at this point). He doesn't need to read minds, he just has magical electricity Lodge powers (see: magic laptop/black box). Also, I'm pretty sure he planned to get caught and taken to the federal prison. He accessed the prison schematics/systems info, had an assault rifle in his trunk while crossing state lines to count as a federal crime, and was after Ray Monroe - who has vital information for Mr. C - who's being held at that prison. Doesn't matter what police department it is, just that he commits a federal crime while in the vicinity of that particular federal prison. Keep in mind that it seems Mr. C knew when the Lodge would come a-callin', because those hit-men after DougieCoop only tried killing him after the Lodge sucked up the fake Dougie. They wouldn't know when to try to kill Coop unless someone told them precisely when to do so, and the only reasonable suspect for having told them this is Mr. C.
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TheMaestroso posted:Attractive = "porny", got it.
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Solice Kirsk posted:She did say "good" when they told her Coop was in a federal prison, which is a little weird for a ""haven't seen him in 25 years" reaction. It's possible there's more to it, but I don't think that line is enough to say that what happened was rape/attempted rape.
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TheMaestroso posted:It's possible there's more to it, but I don't think that line is enough to say that what happened was rape/attempted rape. Agreed, but I still think it shows they've seen each other between seasons 2 and 3.
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You thought her initial reaction to Albert and the mention of Coop is about her being annoyed he disappeared and didn't call her for 25 years? Are you high? Evil Coop blatantly went to visit Diane at some point and whatever happened is what gave her this scared, shaken reaction to him. Hence the creepy "I'll always remember that night."
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JazzFlight posted:If you don't think the exaggerated way she swings her hips and says even basic stuff like "look at this" as if she's a hot teacher in "After School Babes 5" then I don't know what to tell ta. Same for me but Albert shouting about loving Gene Kelly
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Shibawanko posted:I didn't get any of this by the way, can somebody explain what was going on with the fingers thing? i used to know how to read hands and iirc the ring finger is typically associated with the supernatural/spiritual/magic poo poo (which is why you put rings on that finger). by pointing out it's flipped cole is hinting that he's vaguely aware bad coop is mirrored or inversed by pointing out his spirit is flipped
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TheMaestroso posted:Not sure about the Strawberry stuff, but it could easily have been planned (he had the dog leg in his trunk at this point). He doesn't need to read minds, he just has magical electricity Lodge powers (see: magic laptop/black box). Also, I'm pretty sure he planned to get caught and taken to the federal prison. He accessed the prison schematics/systems info, had an assault rifle in his trunk while crossing state lines to count as a federal crime, and was after Ray Monroe - who has vital information for Mr. C - who's being held at that prison. Doesn't matter what police department it is, just that he commits a federal crime while in the vicinity of that particular federal prison. Keep in mind that it seems Mr. C knew when the Lodge would come a-callin', because those hit-men after DougieCoop only tried killing him after the Lodge sucked up the fake Dougie. They wouldn't know when to try to kill Coop unless someone told them precisely when to do so, and the only reasonable suspect for having told them this is Mr. C. It seems like a stretch to me just because BadCoop crashing his car didn't seem intentional. He appeared shaken and his staying in our world almost didn't even work before he crashed. He definitely had things set up to kill DougieCoop and tie up whatever loose ends at the time they were supposed to switch back, But even when he's taken in, with the slow timber of his conversation and general stoicness compared to what little we see of him prior, I got the impression he was working really hard to keep it together, and that he didn't get the information needed to blackmail the warden until he was already there via careful observation/his affinity for messing with electronic signals. Like I think he's sort of semi-in the dark like a lot of the other characters where he knew vaguely somehow "oh poo poo I better put this dog's leg in my trunk that's super important to do" but didn't realize until he was there his true value and purpose. His suddenly knowing this exact required dude to get information from made me think of Lost Highway, like maybe that dude literally didn't exist/was some totally other person until the moment BadCoop mentioned him and then he's just there officially because he lined up everything right with the dog leg/how he spoke to the warden. boner confessor posted:i used to know how to read hands and iirc the ring finger is typically associated with the supernatural/spiritual/magic poo poo (which is why you put rings on that finger). by pointing out it's flipped cole is hinting that he's vaguely aware bad coop is mirrored or inversed by pointing out his spirit is flipped Absolutely yes. In some Buddhist iconography that hand position you see where the person's thumb and ring finger are touching means that person is instructing you in the truth and transferring their wisdom to you from beyond. That print backwards = Cole know for sure BadCoop is not Cooper. And I loved that Albert's forensic prowess was used not as its own means to an end but as a means to Cole comprehending that on this spiritual level. Cooper did the same thing earlier in the series to eliminate some suspects via "the Tibetan method." Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Escobarbarian posted:You thought her initial reaction to Albert and the mention of Coop is about her being annoyed he disappeared and didn't call her for 25 years? Are you high? She was only scared and shaken after seeing Mr. C in person. It's clear to me that this was her reaction to seeing what she thought was a soulless husk of Cooper and not the person she knew. I'm pretty sure anyone who knew Coop and interacted with Mr. C (as we have seen with Gordon, Albert, and now Diane) would be distraught by the experience.
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Escobarbarian posted:You thought her initial reaction to Albert and the mention of Coop is about her being annoyed he disappeared and didn't call her for 25 years? Are you high? ehhhh I really don't think this is the case. She seems genuinely shocked to see what Coop has become. If evil Coop was the one who visited her that night, she wouldn't have said "that wasn't the Coop I knew," she'd say "that was the same Coop I saw that night." I think it's a lot simpler: she and Coop had a really close relationship (he left her messages every day). He disappeared. She blames Gordon and his crew for allowing that to happen. She might think they didn't try hard enough to find him (it's the FBI, they shouldn't allow a guy to go missing for 25 years). They also might have shut her out of the investigation or turned her away when she reached out for information.
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boner confessor posted:i used to know how to read hands and iirc the ring finger is typically associated with the supernatural/spiritual/magic poo poo (which is why you put rings on that finger). by pointing out it's flipped cole is hinting that he's vaguely aware bad coop is mirrored or inversed by pointing out his spirit is flipped It was an excuse for David Lynch to be able to rub that actress' hands over and over in different takes. Just like him being able to hear Shelly perfectly was an excuse for Lynch to be able to kiss Amick.
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hawowanlawow posted:I have a theory that Tammy is actually a reptilian, because she moves like a melodramatic snake Tammy is the earthly version of the arm-statue-doppleganger-creature that pulps the unfortunate glass box viewers in episode one.
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Neo Rasa posted:It seems like a stretch to me just because BadCoop crashing his car didn't seem intentional. He appeared shaken and his staying in our world almost didn't even work before he crashed. He definitely had things set up to kill DougieCoop and tie up whatever loose ends at the time they were supposed to switch back, But even when he's taken in, with the slow timber of his conversation and general stoicness compared to what little we see of him prior, I got the impression he was working really hard to keep it together, What I got from that was that the garmonbozia he vomited up was vital to him functioning normally. When the Lodge tried to summon him, he was becoming increasingly disoriented to the point he couldn't control the car. He then did all he could to try and prevent vomiting up the garmonbozia (which has been implied is what sustains the Lodge spirits, I think) until after 2:53 so that he's safe and won't get summoned to the Lodge. He then throws up loads of the stuff and is essentially incapacitated. By the time he's in prison and Gordon/Albert take a look at him and speak to him, he's recovering from losing so much garmonbozia. By the time he got Ray and himself released he seems to have fully recovered and ready to do whatever he has planned.
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Escobarbarian posted:You thought her initial reaction to Albert and the mention of Coop is about her being annoyed he disappeared and didn't call her for 25 years? Are you high? Not to mention whatever happened has had her rebuke two of her closest co-workers, Albert and Gordon, made her leave the FBI, and has pushed her into blatant Give-No-Fucks alcohol dependency and some PTSD. I totally get not wanting to give much weight to the possibility Coop has performed. rape/sexual assault (at this point), but BOB was a blatant rapist in the original series. It is not far-fetched to assume Evil Coop, fresh from being imprisoned from the lodge for who-know's-how-long and energized by BOB, would use it as an opportunity to create chaos to those in Real Coop's life that he cared about before going missing. And the fact that Lynch doesn't have anything really censoring him, there's nothing pushing him away from those darker plot points. Let's consult the Phish song again.
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TheMaestroso posted:She was only scared and shaken after seeing Mr. C in person. It's clear to me that this was her reaction to seeing what she thought was a soulless husk of Cooper and not the person she knew. I'm pretty sure anyone who knew Coop and interacted with Mr. C (as we have seen with Gordon, Albert, and now Diane) would be distraught by the experience. yeah. diane is bitter because she hasn't seen cooper for 25 years and she probably had a very close relationship with him. she's mad at the FBI for never being willing or able to tell her what happened to coop, and she's shaken because she just encountered this man she loved (in a platonic sense?) who turns up after a quarter century of silence but he's wrong. there's no reason to get creepy rape fantasies involved, chances are bad coop just dipped out the first chance he got and nobody ever heard from him again until now
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Polo-Rican posted:ehhhh I really don't think this is the case. She seems genuinely shocked to see what Coop has become. If evil Coop was the one who visited her that night, she wouldn't have said "that wasn't the Coop I knew," she'd say "that was the same Coop I saw that night." This makes more sense to me But she did say she had more to tell Gordon
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Is everyone forgetting that Diane almost broke down crying telling Gordon "I will never forget what happened last time I saw Coop", and "I'll tell you privately."? She has definitely seen Evil Coop before, when he was pretending to be Good Coop.
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Franchescanado posted:Let's consult the Phish song again. I found it right away: quote:Just then a porthole pirate Definitely rape.
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Franchescanado posted:Is everyone forgetting that Diane almost broke down crying telling Gordon "I will never forget what happened last time I saw Coop", and "I'll tell you privately."? She has definitely seen Evil Coop before, when he was pretending to be Good Coop. She was broken down crying over Mr. C being wrong that he's missing something here (gesturing at her heart). She collecting herself by the time she told Gordon she would tell him about it later. Have we seen or heard anything suggesting Mr. C ever pretended to be the real Coop? Seems like he's been laying low considering Gordon and pals haven't seen or heard from him since Mr. C came out of the Lodge.
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Y'all are very wrong and bad at reading obvious context in television. The amount of hoops you have to jump through to say "well no Diane is just mad at the FBI for not telling where Coop went and then the terrified, shaken reaction to him threateningly mentioning a night they spent together is based on something she did with Good Coop!" is utterly ludicrous.
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hawowanlawow posted:I have a theory that Tammy is actually a reptilian, because she moves like a melodramatic snake Was not expecting this to be a Lair of the White Worm sequel
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TheMaestroso posted:She was broken down crying over Mr. C being wrong that he's missing something here (gesturing at her heart). She collecting herself by the time she told Gordon she would tell him about it later. Uh, yes. The end of the original run he pretends to be Good Coop. They've already said in Season 3 that after he regained consciousness, he visited Audrey and then he left the town quietly. Seems pretty obvious he was being low-key and pretending to be Good at least until he left town. They don't even mention him injuring his head or anything. Everyone remembering Coop says "Yeah, he just quietly left." Not "Yeah, he acted like a loving crazed lunatic and shot people in the face while stealing a car and talking backwards." edit: I took the interview Diane did to test Coop about how he performed a traumatic thing against her, gauging his response. Once he acknowledged that he did something to her and showed no remorse, no emotion, that broke her. Just like when a victim of sexual assault has to face her assailant. Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Speaking of which, isn't he referred to as Cooper by a few of this criminal accomplices in the first two episodes? How is Cooper able to be missing for 25 years after leaving Twin Peaks if there's a guy who looks and talks exactly like him with the same name running some criminal enterprise? Also in this latest episode it seemed is spray-on tan was gone. Was he just hiding out in deserts until very recently?
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Neo Rasa posted:Speaking of which, isn't he referred to as Cooper by a few of this criminal accomplices in the first two episodes? How is Cooper able to be missing for 25 years after leaving Twin Peaks if there's a guy who looks and talks exactly like him with the same name running some criminal enterprise? They mention he was living in Rio, wanst it?
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