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| The Big3 Tourney |
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67 | 22.41% |
| Will Lakers draft Ball |
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40 | 13.38% |
| Where will the Pauls go |
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| Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ?? |
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41 | 13.71% |
| Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking |
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97 | 32.44% |
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People have taken qos and people have threatened to take qos to force trades most likely. It is useful leverage. I think we underestimate rookies leverage at the end of the 4 year deal especially for stars. Also, now new with this cba, The new designated player contracts depending on being on your rookie team OR a team that trades for you on a rookie deal will imho make agents even more likely to try and force trades before the 4 years is up. And plenty of players have forced trades on their rookie deals! It happens. You can disagree that's cool, but that's how I see it. In Staps case he's clearly - at least to me - in the first stages of forcing a trade following the well known dance of non cooperation with non mandatory activity and so on
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Jun 20, 2017 21:33
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That would be a robbery by Phoenix. Suns should flip Booker before everyone realizes he's the next MCW.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:35
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Also it's likely 5 more years. 2 more on the rookie deal and then he'd be offered a 3+1 in rfa which he'd sign and the knicks would be forced to match. Most likely.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:35
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Since I enjoy making you guys suffer, I just wanted to remind you of how dumb the outside world discusses sportsquote:This is the LIMIT the Lakers should extend to on Paul George talks quote:
quote:Would you guys do Zubac, Brewer and Black for PG13? No one is making fun of these people, and everyone is agreeing. I'm glad I have you guys, I couldn't go back to those places full time
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Jun 20, 2017 21:36
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It'll be sad to see Iggy and Livingston leave, but sometimes you just have to go for it.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:41
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sum posted:That would be a robbery by Phoenix. Suns should flip Booker before everyone realizes he's the next MCW. I'm not 100% sure MCW could score 70 points in 48 minutes alone in a gym.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:42
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MCW's debut is still one of my favorite moments as a Sixers fan. it was nuts.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:43
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leftist heap posted:Someone is gonna take on one or more of Meyers Leonard, Evan Turner or Allan Crabbe and personally I can't wait. 
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Jun 20, 2017 21:46
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I promise I'll stop, but this one is just soooo dumbquote:Not trying to be harsh to the new front office but anything more than Clarkson + #28, I would give a grade B if not lower, despite acquiring an all-star on this team. How do people who care enough about basketball to discuss it online have such a poor understanding of value?
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Jun 20, 2017 21:47
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euphronius posted:Also it's likely 5 more years. 2 more on the rookie deal and then he'd be offered a 3+1 in rfa which he'd sign and the knicks would be forced to match. Most likely. Yeah, you're probably right. That player option used to be pretty rare but it's getting common as teams are realizing what a steal the rookie max is. euphronius posted:People have taken qos and people have threatened to take qos to force trades most likely. It is useful leverage. This isn't the argue, but whom? I can see the leverage if your not a max player but once you hit the level of "My Team will offer/match the max" it seems like a lost cause because you'll never make that money back.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:48
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The Glumslinger posted:I promise I'll stop, but this one is just soooo dumb 
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Jun 20, 2017 21:49
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paul george sucks and is a total chump unless we get him somehow
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Jun 20, 2017 21:49
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The Glumslinger posted:How do people who care enough about basketball to discuss it online have such a poor understanding of value? I mean, bad Lakers fan comments is a bit of shooting fish in a barrel. There are lots of great Laker fans around, but the bad ones are especially ripe. In general, it's a lack of understanding of the salary cap (the Durant signing has got a lot of people thinking teams can just sign whomever, whenever) and in this case not understanding that PG might decide that he'd rather take the higher raises on another team that swoops in. The Boogie trade also tanked a lot of peoples perceptions on trade returns. They are right that this is a pretty rare case when the team trying to get the all-star has a ton of leverage.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:51
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Brolander posted:paul george sucks and is a total chump unless we get him somehow Well do my proposed 3-team trade and you can have him! He's still a chump.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:51
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Jack's Flow posted:It'll be sad to see Iggy and Livingston leave, but sometimes you just have to go for it. No way man. The most we give up is Looney and Matt Barnes and our second from 2022. ANYTHING MORE and we hang up the phone and say "See Paul in free agency."
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Jun 20, 2017 21:52
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I don't want to trade for Paul George, putting a known primadonna on a bad team that's going to be bad with him is a bad idea.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:53
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Lockback posted:Yeah, you're probably right. That player option used to be pretty rare but it's getting common as teams are realizing what a steal the rookie max is. We don't know who has threatened it but I'd argue it's reasonable to assume many Here is an old list that doesn't include Greg Monroe Kevin Seraphin signed a qualifying offer of $3,898,692 from the Wizards on 7/18/14. Ivan Johnson signed a qualifying offer of $962,195 from the Hawks on 9/18/12. Has not signed another NBA contract. Devin Ebanks signed a qualifying offer of $1,054,389 from the Lakers on 8/13/12. He signed a non-guaranteed training camp invitation from the Mavs on 9/13/13, but he didn’t make the opening-night roster. Luke Harangody signed a qualifying offer of $1,054,389 from the Cavaliers on 7/3/12. Has not signed another NBA contract. Darius Morris signed a qualifying offer of $962,195 from the Lakers on 7/2/12. He agreed to sign a non-guaranteed training camp invitation from the Sixers on 9/12/13, but he didn’t make the opening-night roster. He later surfaced on a 10-day contract with the Clippers, signed 1/6/14. Nick Young signed a qualifying offer of $3,695,857 from the Wizards on 12/19/11. He was traded to the Clippers 3/15/12, and signed for one year, $5.6MM with the Sixers on 7/6/12. Marco Belinelli signed a qualifying offer of $3,377,604 from the Pelicans on 12/13/11. He signed for one year, $1.957MM with the Bulls on 7/24/12. Spencer Hawes signed a qualifying offer of $4,051,024 from the Sixers on 12/10/11. He re-signed with the Sixers for two years, $13.1MM on 7/12/12. Raymond Felton signed a qualifying offer of $5,501,196 from the Hornets on 9/23/09. Signed with the Knicks for two years, $14.56MM on 7/12/10. Ben Gordon signed a qualifying offer of $6,404,750 from the Bulls on 10/1/08. Signed with the Pistons for five years, $58MM on 7/8/09. Robert Swift signed a qualifying offer of $3,579,131 from the Thunder on 9/11/08. Has not signed another NBA contract. Mickael Pietrus signed a qualifying offer of $3,470,771 from the Warriors on 10/1/07. Signed with the Magic for four years, $21.2MM on 7/10/08. Melvin Ely signed a qualifying offer of $3,303,813 from the Hornets on 10/2/06. He was traded to the Spurs on 2/13/07, and agreed to sign for two years, $1,893,739 (minimum salary) with the Pelicans on 9/13/07. Vladimir Radmanovic signed a qualifying offer of $3,166,155 from the Thunder on 9/19/05. He was traded to the Clippers on 2/14/06, and agreed to sign for five years, $30.247MM with the Lakers on 7/12/06. Stromile Swift signed a qualifying offer of $5,993,105 from the Grizzlies on 9/30/04. Signed with the Rockets for four years, $22.4MM on 8/2/05. Michael Olowokandi signed a qualifying offer of $6,061,214 from the Clippers on 9/23/02. Signed with the Timberwolves for three years, $16,226,100 on 7/17/03. Rasho Nesterovic signed a qualifying offer of $2,436,813 from the Timberwolves on 8/25/02. Signed with the Spurs for six years, $42MM on 7/16/03.
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Jun 20, 2017 21:54
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The Glumslinger posted:How do people who care enough about basketball to discuss it online have such a poor understanding of value? https://twitter.com/jZexphr/status/877196302987268096
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Jun 20, 2017 21:59
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euphronius posted:We don't know who has threatened it but I'd argue it's reasonable to assume many None of those guys were max contract guys, and since the contract shortening none of those guys were much above min-contract types. Monroe would be an ok example, but Detroit specifically did not want to sign him to a max contract. I get the leverage when a player thinks he is being lowballed, but there is no leverage when the team is offering literally the maximum. Unless you think Zing won't command that, I think New York probably feels pretty comfortable with the next 5 years of control. I think they are trying to trade him because they don't want him on the team anymore, for whatever stupid reason, not because of the threat of FA.
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Jun 20, 2017 22:01
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I remember at the time Ben Gordon getting absolutely crushed for signing the QO instead of taking a low-ball extension offer from Chicago, then Detroit throwing piles of money at him (and Charlie Villanueva!) the year after
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Jun 20, 2017 22:01
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euphronius posted:People have taken qos and people have threatened to take qos to force trades most likely. It is useful leverage. If the Knicks think like this they deserve to be awful
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Jun 20, 2017 22:02
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https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/877264912803926016
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Jun 20, 2017 22:07
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Rick posted:I'm not 100% sure MCW could score 70 points in 48 minutes alone in a gym. Sure, but he was also a young, high-usage guard who put up gaudy counting stats on a poo poo team. Also Booker was the first recorded player to put up a negative +/- in a 60+ point game
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Jun 20, 2017 22:09
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The Knicks seem like a dumb enough team to ask for Kawhi in a trade. I don't think Kristaps moves, their price seems too high.
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Jun 20, 2017 22:09
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Bashez posted:The Knicks seem like a dumb enough team to ask for Kawhi in a trade. I don't think Kristaps moves, their price seems too high. I don't think the Spurs move LMA either. They made a big deal about committing to him as a free agent. If they dump him on a poo poo team in a trade I think it ruins their FA market for a while and probably pisses off the locker room. Spurs don't seem to be a team that would do that.
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Jun 20, 2017 22:11
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Bad news for the world of Shook, Prodigy of Mobb Deep passed away at age 42 from complications due to sickle cell anemia :[
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Jun 20, 2017 22:24
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sum posted:Sure, but he was also a young, high-usage guard who put up gaudy counting stats on a poo poo team. Also Booker was the first recorded player to put up a negative +/- in a 60+ point game Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Jun 20, 2017 22:31
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Didn't his team basically foul repeatedly to let him get enough possessions to shoot that much
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Jun 20, 2017 22:32
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EvanTH posted:Bad news for the world of Shook, Prodigy of Mobb Deep passed away at age 42 from complications due to sickle cell anemia :[ rip
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Jun 20, 2017 22:33
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Tae posted:Didn't his team basically foul repeatedly to let him get enough possessions to shoot that much Its OK, so did the Warriors when Wilt scored 100 Kobe's 81 is the only one that remained pure
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Jun 20, 2017 22:34
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Tae posted:Didn't his team basically foul repeatedly to let him get enough possessions to shoot that much Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Jun 20, 2017 22:35
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Guys, the Russell for George trade posted on twitter is from a fake Marc Stein account, I hope that Magic isn't that loving stupid.
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Jun 20, 2017 23:05
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do something funny suns since you wont be good enough to beat the warriors
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Jun 20, 2017 23:06
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Spring Break My Heart posted:What the hell are the Knicks even hoping for. The NBA BOG has realized that the Lakers/Bulls/Knicks will steadily rise in value (billions of USD) no matter how awful the product on the court gets. EMC posted:The new Warriors arena looks like a toilet too, unbelievable foresight to secure KD for the long term. Light years ahead indeed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC1r5ZDhDzU Spite posted:LeBron "Sisyphus" James. He was incredible all series. He had, what, one bad playoff game this season? Yes, that was the game he threw so he could embarrass the Celtics one more time in Boston. Dutchy posted:It's kind of an interesting hypothetical. Would [LBJ's] rep be higher or lower if he had spent the last seven years mostly sputtering out in the 2nd round/WCF, but won a couple of Finals over the Raptors or whoever in dominant fashion? Probably lower, but it would depend on the city he was in and a lot of the strange narratives that writers came up with based on random small/irrelevant events.
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Jun 20, 2017 23:06
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Punkin Spunkin posted:If Kevin Durant murdering basketball in the greatest bball bitch move in history results in the craziest most panicked off-season where all these rumored trades and movements go down and it's basically like a mass expansion draft for everyone then...well that fart sniffing snake and his Warriors are now cool by me Imagine if every five years the entire league rosters were randomized. That'd be entertaining. glowing-fish posted:Fox Sports has an article about things that could derail a Warriors Dynasty. #2 behind injury, is "all the good assistant coaches leave" If you have elite players the coaching becomes overrated. GobiasIndustries posted:Would Jimmy Butler really be their best option at getting over the top though? It would be good if LBJ made Butler shave his head (and Kevin Love). ex post facho posted:mostly because with talent concentrated amongst a smaller number of teams it's more likely that those teams are closer to eachother in relative talent level... I haven't seen evidence of that. With contraction the talent gets even more saturated. Look at the 1960s Celtics and what they did when the league had less than ten teams. More teams would add more unpredictability.
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Jun 20, 2017 23:10
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omg https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/877287243236462592
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Jun 20, 2017 23:10
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Tae posted:Didn't his team basically foul repeatedly to let him get enough possessions to shoot that much It wasn't like that, it was more like Kobe's last game except his team was losing by like 20 points and the other team was laughing and letting it happen because, i believe it was a suns home game and the crowd was pumped
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Jun 20, 2017 23:11
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yeah holy poo poo.
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Jun 20, 2017 23:11
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I wouldn't of minded watching Russell on the Pacers.
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Jun 20, 2017 23:11
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Is D'angelo Russell secretly bad? Why are the Lakers doing this?
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