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Solkanar512 posted:RCW 46.61.100 is really loving clear on this issue.
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anthonypants posted:They're not going to be able to get onto the highway to get to the hospital because you won't let them merge in. Not only are you the guy who drives 57 in the left lane, you are the guy that can't match speed and judge when to merge. Can we forward this to ODOT? This guy needs extra driver's ed.
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Jun 20, 2017 22:48
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48 Hour Boner posted:So much for the tolerant left (lane) It would be really sad if this gem got lost in the sea of poo poo currently happening here because people are mad at drivers.
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Jun 20, 2017 22:50
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Peachfart posted:Not only are you the guy who drives 57 in the left lane, you are the guy that can't match speed and judge when to merge.
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Jun 20, 2017 22:52
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seiferguy posted:I mean, I see people going slow in the left lane, but rarely enough to feel like my rights have been impeded on. This just feels like one of those "I'm right and want to punish those who are wrong" laws. And also whoever pointed out that it will probably be used against minorities unjustly is right, too. It's not about being punitive, it's about hoping the action will act as a deterrent against left lane squatters. Why does that seem reasonable? Because literally every other city in the US has this driving norm and it works.
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Jun 20, 2017 22:53
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Eggnogium posted:It's not about being punitive, it's about hoping the action will act as a deterrent against left lane squatters. Why does that seem reasonable? Because literally every other city in the US has this driving norm and it works. Police enforcement of traffic laws has/does not reduce traffic accidents or improve traffic in any way. This state already has laws regarding the left lane, and maybe you're just not very attentive but all over the US people ignore this law. It does not work regardless of where you live in this country, sorry to burst your bubble, but every city has bad drivers, we aren't exceptionally bad compared to other cities. Increasing enforcement only serves to punish people and like I said earlier, it'll probably target minorities.
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Jun 20, 2017 23:00
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A lot of Seattle drivers think the Good and Proper thing to do is defer to the drivers they see in front of them. Seldom do they consider how their actions affect those behind them.
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Jun 20, 2017 23:07
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ElCondemn posted:Police enforcement of traffic laws has/does not reduce traffic accidents or improve traffic in any way. Have you called the CDC to let them know they're wrong about this?
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Jun 20, 2017 23:10
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Officer Sandvich posted:Have you called the CDC to let them know they're wrong about this? Are you making a joke or something? What does the CDC have to do with traffic enforcement? There have been plenty of studies about this in this country and in other countries. It's well known that police enforcement of traffic laws doesn't do jack poo poo, if you want to improve traffic and reduce traffic accidents it takes urban/transportation planning. At best police enforcement of traffic laws has no effect, at worst studies show it increases the number of accidents.
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Jun 20, 2017 23:16
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ElCondemn posted:Are you making a joke or something? What does the CDC have to do with traffic enforcement?
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Jun 20, 2017 23:19
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:yo it's hella rude when I have to stop at a roundabout because those dicks already in the circle aren't yielding to me the person that is actually supposed to be yielding actually they're called Traffic Circles here e: (poo poo was that this thread or the Seattle thread that had a long argument about that?)
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Jun 20, 2017 23:21
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It's amazing how angry people get about this left lane thing.
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Jun 20, 2017 23:46
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Shifty Nipples posted:It's amazing how angry people get about this left lane thing. It is a good litmus test for the type of people who road rage.
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Jun 20, 2017 23:58
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:It is a good litmus test for the type of people who road rage. I guess I'm glad I don't drive.
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Jun 21, 2017 00:07
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Reene posted:real glad I don't drive rn
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Jun 21, 2017 00:14
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GodFish posted:I just have to deal with heat stroke in the summer and hypothermia in the winter as I play the "will the bus arrive?" game Better than playing the 300/mo just to park game, really doesn't seem reasonable to drive to me.
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Jun 21, 2017 00:19
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ElCondemn posted:Better than playing the 300/mo just to park game, really doesn't seem reasonable to drive to me. and the drivers insurance poo poo, ya
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Jun 21, 2017 00:19
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It takes the same amount of time for me to get home driving as taking the bus so I just commute because at least if I fall asleep on the bus my nap won't kill someone (in theory).
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Jun 21, 2017 00:21
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I guess I don't see how a short term, public campaign about enforcing a already existing law results in more minority oppression. Notwithstanding the illegality of pretextual stops in WA, State Patrol could already pull over people for lane camping (and probably did on a regular basis) but because of the ubiquity of traffic violations and a lot of other factors, the law was less likely to be enforced. A public campaign with press releases and news stories draws attention and reminds people not to do it. If anything, a public campaign seems more likely to be generally enforced, rather than a selective excuse for targeting. Similarly, see "Increased DUI Patrols Happening Now." That is, unless we are operating on the assumption that every single law enforcement policy and procedure exists purely as an excuse to oppress minorities.
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Jun 21, 2017 00:29
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marxismftw posted:That is, unless we are operating on the assumption that every single law enforcement policy and procedure exists purely as an excuse to oppress minorities. Maybe not an excuse to oppress minorities directly, but certainly a way to appeal to straight white males. Did you notice how these left lane guys are so militant about it? Why do you think the police force is promoting that? Do you think police don't know who this kind of public declaration of enforcement appeals to? But regardless of the targets any action by police calling for stricter enforcement is just code to fragile whites to garner support. I say "gently caress the police" and a people will come out of the woodwork all day to say "my step-newphew-in-law is a police officer and he's not a bad cop", they do that because they've been conditioned to see police as moral and anyone negatively impacted by them as immoral. So really ask yourself why is there a public campaign about enforcing a law that hasn't changed and who is most likely to suffer for it?
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Jun 21, 2017 00:41
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I just did some driving, and I'm glad they're enforcing this obscure law.
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Jun 21, 2017 00:47
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No Pants posted:I just did some driving, and I'm glad they're enforcing this obscure law. It's literally on the driving test, it's not an "obscure law". http://www.dol.wa.gov/driverslicense/docs/driverguide-en.pdf
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Jun 21, 2017 00:50
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Maybe they should make the fucks everyone had to pass on the right re-take the test!
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Jun 21, 2017 00:55
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No Pants posted:Maybe they should make the fucks everyone had to pass on the right re-take the test! Here's a suggestion, go the speed limit or bellow and maybe you wont be endangering peoples lives by passing on the right.
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Jun 21, 2017 01:04
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No Pants posted:I just did some driving, and I'm glad they're enforcing this obscure law. 
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Jun 21, 2017 01:11
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anthonypants posted:I also just did some driving, and it turns out that Washington drivers are extremely bad at it He's probably stuck doing 15mph by an rear end in a top hat bicyclist camping that lane.
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Jun 21, 2017 01:14
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ElCondemn posted:Here's a suggestion, go the speed limit or bellow and maybe you wont be endangering peoples lives by passing on the right. What a useful suggestion.
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Jun 21, 2017 01:16
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ElCondemn posted:Here's a suggestion, go the speed limit or bellow and maybe you wont be endangering peoples lives by passing on the right. lol Thanks for the advice grandma 
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Jun 21, 2017 01:23
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Yeah. I try and take public transit when I can. But then the only bus coming into my neighborhood breaks down from having too many tech interns on it. Literally happens everyday since summer started. It's easier and less frustrating just to walk.
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Jun 21, 2017 01:32
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"But it's THE LAW!!!" *commits reckless driving and illegally undertakes on the right in a fit of rage*
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Jun 21, 2017 01:43
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ElCondemn posted:Maybe not an excuse to oppress minorities directly, but certainly a way to appeal to straight white males. Did you notice how these left lane guys are so militant about it? Why do you think the police force is promoting that? Do you think police don't know who this kind of public declaration of enforcement appeals to? They do public enforcement campaigns on all sorts of stuff, from HOV violations, late merging, drunk driving, speeding, and now this. They get complaints, State Patrol doesn't have the resources/manpower/willpower to ticket it on a regular basis, so they do public awareness campaigns to remind everyone, that yes, it is still against the law. They have all the resources they need right now to apply the law as it is, unfairly to minorities, without notice or a public campaign. Why do you assume this is targeted oppression rather than the opposite? After 15 years of driving on PWN highways, left lane campers that I notice are almost exclusively elderly and white. You could argue that there is something fundamentally unfair about warning white people ahead of time that they might get busted, but that assumes that everyone is equally ignorant of the law and that minorities aren't on notice about other crimes that they are disproportionately targeted for. Such a point of view would ignore that the purpose of the increased enforcement and public relations campaign is not to give out more tickets, but to remind people that it's illegal in the first place. There's tons of issues with racism and policing in Washington, but it seems weird to try and make this specific circumstance part of it.
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Jun 21, 2017 02:24
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Javid posted:"But it's THE LAW!!!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6cyDsuNx_U
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Jun 21, 2017 02:37
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ElCondemn posted:Better than playing the 300/mo just to park game, really doesn't seem reasonable to drive to me. I get real loving sick of relying on Trimet's capricious and fey-like definition of the word "schedule" not to mention tacking an extra hour on my commute anywhere but yeah it's the price you pay to avoid the rest of this horseshit. Even using Lyft two or more times a week on top of paying 100/mo for my monthly bus pass it's still miles cheaper.
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Jun 21, 2017 02:51
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Javid posted:"But it's THE LAW!!!" It's legal on multi-lane roadways in Washington. 
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Jun 21, 2017 03:23
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anthonypants posted:I also just did some driving, and it turns out that Washington drivers are extremely bad at it
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Jun 21, 2017 05:16
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anthonypants posted:They're not going to be able to get onto the highway to get to the hospital because you won't let them merge in. Uh, then why the gently caress did I previously respond to you directly, agreeing that people suck at merging? Why the hell are you yelling at me about this poo poo?
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Jun 21, 2017 05:43
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Solkanar512 posted:Uh, then why the gently caress did I previously respond to you directly, agreeing that people suck at merging? Why the hell are you yelling at me about this poo poo?
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Jun 21, 2017 05:46
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anthonypants posted:I didn't know I was yelling? Answer my question.
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Jun 21, 2017 05:47
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anthonypants posted:I didn't know I was yelling? Ignorance is no excuse Blaow blaow blaow
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Solkanar512 posted:Answer my question.
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