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Cymoril posted:The person I was arguing with has shifted the goal posts. First, they were concerned about the London apartment building vs WTC 7. Now it has mutated into the New American Century, the Iraq war and the "convenience" of a Pearl Harbor-esque attack, and how the hi-jackers even pulled it off. Conspiracists are not interested in having an argument, nor even in winning one. They just want people who listen to their bilge so they can feel important, kick him to the curb.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I'm thinking gangstalking meets whatever the hell he thinks is being done with his brainwaves. "His" brainwaves
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Tias posted:Conspiracists are not interested in having an argument, nor even in winning one. They just want people who listen to their bilge so they can feel important, kick him to the curb. This would be " Thief, Thief"
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El Puerco posted:"His" brainwaves apologies if I got your gender wrong
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Those towers were designed to withstand 2 707 impacts Looks like the fool I was responding to removed his gay post El Puerco fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Data Graham posted:I wanna hear more about this one In a demolition the supports are removed, significant structural elements are weakened, but more importantly, the oxygen is consumed by the Thermate, Thermite, or C4, instantly. This allows a faster than gravity fall into the foot of the structure which is impossible without controlled demolition.
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El Puerco posted:Those towers were designed to withstand 2 707 impacts * low-speed, low-fuel impacts
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QuarkJets posted:* low-speed, low-fuel impacts You are a female divider dumbshit
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El Puerco posted:Those towers were designed to withstand 2 707 impacts A 707's empty weight is 74 tons and change. A 767's empty weight is 94 tons. I don't recall the buildings being built to withstand two impacts, but I won't argue the point. But the scenario that was proposed when the 707 was the expected plane was one lost in fog or weather at low speed with low fuel because they would be coming in to land, not a nearly full and much larger plane slamming into them with the throttles wide open.
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QuarkJets posted:* low-speed, low-fuel impacts As in, a 707 lost on approach to JFK or LaGuardia that's already burned off most of its fuel en route to New York and is lost in the fog. The crashes that happened in the September 11th attacks were 767's with a full fuel load due to being configured for a cross country flight out of Boston. Which meant that there was way more fuel was in the planes when they hit than the buildings were designed for. Not only that, but the hijackers gunned the engines so that the planes would hit the towers at high speed, far faster than the WTC was designed to withstand.
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El Puerco posted:In a demolition the supports are removed, significant structural elements are weakened, but more importantly, the oxygen is consumed by the Thermate, Thermite, or C4, instantly. This allows a faster than gravity fall into the foot of the structure which is impossible without controlled demolition. Appx. how much % is a building's fall slowed by oxygen How come no office workers remarked on the sudden absence of structural supports throughout their floor or the enormous packs of explosives strapped to the elevator shafts in the days leading up to it listen to yourself
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I know I should know this, but can someone explain the "faster than gravity" stuff? Demolition or not, the building isn't going to fall faster than free fall unless something is propelling it down, which means the alleged demolition explosives would...shoot upward? Or something?
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:I know I should know this, but can someone explain the "faster than gravity" stuff? Demolition or not, the building isn't going to fall faster than free fall unless something is propelling it down, which means the alleged demolition explosives would...shoot upward? Or something? it's brain damaged nonsense. the real conspiracy talking point is that the towers fell at free-fall speeds which relies on cartoon physics to imply the non-collapsing structure of the towers should have impeded debris falling from above which is pretty much not how buildings work at all. once any portion of your building starts to move downwards in an uncontrolled way you're going to have a real bad time
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boner confessor posted:it's brain damaged nonsense. the real conspiracy talking point is that the towers fell at free-fall speeds which relies on cartoon physics to imply the non-collapsing structure of the towers should have impeded debris falling from above which is pretty much not how buildings work at all. once any portion of your building starts to move downwards in an uncontrolled way you're going to have a real bad time Ah, ok.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:A 707's empty weight is 74 tons and change. A 767's empty weight is 94 tons. The architect said very clearly that the building was built to withstand 2 impacts. He elaborated by using a pencil and stabbing it through a screen like on a screen door, the pencil just sticking in the mesh, the mesh absorbs the impact, the building stabilizes in several minutes. They made it clear that it is impossible to knock down a metal framed building like a skyscraper.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:Ah, ok. They fell just faster than gravity according to measurements
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El Puerco posted:The architect said very clearly that the building was built to withstand 2 impacts. He elaborated by using a pencil and stabbing it through a screen like on a screen door, the pencil just sticking in the mesh, the mesh absorbs the impact, the building stabilizes in several minutes. They made it clear that it is impossible to knock down a metal framed building like a skyscraper. turns out that guy you met in rehab with meth mouth was not minoru yamasaki no matter how many times he insisted he was
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boner confessor posted:it's brain damaged nonsense. the real conspiracy talking point is that the towers fell at free-fall speeds which relies on cartoon physics to imply the non-collapsing structure of the towers should have impeded debris falling from above which is pretty much not how buildings work at all. once any portion of your building starts to move downwards in an uncontrolled way you're going to have a real bad time It actually has to overcome the inertia as it falls, each floor having its own inertia, this inertia causes the collapse to be slower than gravity, assuming you buy into the idea that a steel skyscraper can collapse at all without demolition
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El Puerco posted:It actually has to overcome the inertia as it falls, each floor having its own inertia, this inertia causes the collapse to be slower than gravity your trolls are so lazy you can't even keep track of when you're saying the building fell faster or slower than gravity. try harder
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boner confessor posted:your trolls are so lazy you can't even keep track of when you're saying the building fell faster or slower than gravity. try harder Your contribution appears to be be Recovery , try again
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El Puerco posted:They fell just faster than gravity according to measurements How?
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El Puerco's posts manage to make even less sense than the "magic...magic..." that gave Freep it's title for a while, and I have to admit, I'm kind of impressed by that.Evil Fluffy posted:Why would they try harder when you idiots won't stop responding to them? I don't think you "get" boner confessor. Keeshhound fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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boner confessor posted:your trolls are so lazy you can't even keep track of when you're saying the building fell faster or slower than gravity. try harder Why would they try harder when you idiots won't stop responding to them?
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El Puerco posted:The architect said very clearly that the building was built to withstand 2 impacts. He elaborated by using a pencil and stabbing it through a screen like on a screen door, the pencil just sticking in the mesh, the mesh absorbs the impact, the building stabilizes in several minutes. They made it clear that it is impossible to knock down a metal framed building like a skyscraper. You are leaving out the difference in mass, speed, and fuel load between the theoretical 707 and the real 767s. Also, no engineer is ever going to say that it's impossible to knock down any building. That's loving ridiculous.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Why would they try harder when you idiots won't stop responding to them? mocking bad posts isn't the same as biting on trolls
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El Puerco posted:In a demolition the supports are removed, significant structural elements are weakened, but more importantly, the oxygen is consumed by the Thermate, Thermite, or C4, instantly. This allows a faster than gravity fall into the foot of the structure which is impossible without controlled demolition. Ah, so your assertions are based on a tenuous grasp of physics, chemistry, engineering, mathematics and common sense. Proceed, governor.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:You are leaving out the difference in mass, speed, and fuel load between the theoretical 707 and the real 767s. Also, no engineer is ever going to say that it's impossible to knock down any building. That's loving ridiculous. Wrong again homo
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Dirk the Average posted:Ah, so your assertions are based on a tenuous grasp of physics, chemistry, engineering, mathematics and common sense. No, homo, I live in reality (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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El Puerco posted:No, homo, I live in reality Your wit is on par with your understanding of the world.
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El Puerco posted:Wrong again homo Would you deign to explain to us why Mister Humorous Legwear is in the wrong on this subject, or are you just tossing out slurs at people and pretending like you've accomplished something?
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Dirk the Average posted:Your wit is on par with your understanding of the world. Hello Home O follow
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SatansOnion posted:Would you deign to explain to us why Mister Humorous Legwear is in the wrong on this subject, or are you just tossing out slurs at people and pretending like you've accomplished something? I like telling Home O to gently caress off
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:There's a video on YouTube of a guy like this who just yells about how stupid it is and heats a piece of metal up just to show how much it bends, and then shouts "so shut up!" And the video ends I know the thread has moved on to ... other things, but here's that video. I just watched it again, it's great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA
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Data Graham posted:How come no office workers remarked on the sudden absence of structural supports throughout their floor or the enormous packs of explosives strapped to the elevator shafts in the days leading up to it? From a quick google for "how many people worked at the world trade centers" I got this from the Guardian: quote:Number working in World Trade Centre on average working day prior to 11 September: 50,000. So you have 50 thousand people who work there every day and - assuming the government managed to prepare the building for collapse in just a week, rather than the months it would normally take - you have just under 1 million people passing through the towers. But not a single person noticed anything out of the ordinary? Not a single person has ever come forward and said, "Hey, I saw a bunch of MiB removing supports." I mean there are still 47 thousand people out there who used to work in the towers who are still alive and not one has come forward? If we even needed any more proof these "controlled demolition" people were deluded idiots it's right here.
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El Puerco posted:Wrong again homo
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El Puerco posted:You are a female divider dumbshit Mods change my name to "female divider"
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What did Mitt Romney use to organize his "binders full of women"?El Puerco posted:a female divider 
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Gorilla Salad posted:From a quick google for "how many people worked at the world trade centers" I got this from the Guardian: All 2823 people who died knew! They were chained in the top floor of the WTC when the bombs went off!!! 
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El Puerco posted:In a demolition the supports are removed, significant structural elements are weakened, but more importantly, the oxygen is consumed by the Thermate, Thermite, or C4, instantly. This allows a faster than gravity fall into the foot of the structure which is impossible without controlled demolition. Gravity is an acceleration not a velocity, fuckhead
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El Puerco posted:I like telling Home O to gently caress off Why must you resort to attacks when people question your ideas?
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