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Florida QBs are amazing once they are freed from the oppressive shackles of Florida's dogshit offense.
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MourningView posted:All the Will Grier hype coming out of WVU seems like a little much. He was good by recent Florida QB standards but he had like three good games. I feel like every time a QB transfers his reputation increases like 20 fold. Like when people decided that Kenny Hill was always going to be September Heisman Kenny when he transferred to TCU. tbf he really only had three games, so 100% of his UF games were good.
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Jun 21, 2017 16:59
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Grier's game vs Ole Miss was just incredible
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Jun 21, 2017 17:04
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Jun 21, 2017 17:06
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I was thinking about Pete Carroll's Seahawks tenure and was wondering if Saban could be successful if given another shot at the NFL? Both ran pro-style offenses in CFB and are considered the best coach during their respective eras, but bombed during their first stints in the NFL.
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Jun 21, 2017 17:42
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MourningView posted:All the Will Grier hype coming out of WVU seems like a little much. He was good by recent Florida QB standards but he had like three good games. I feel like every time a QB transfers his reputation increases like 20 fold. Like when people decided that Kenny Hill was always going to be September Heisman Kenny when he transferred to TCU. Kenny Hill loving sucks and TCU won't be good again until he's benched
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Jun 21, 2017 17:46
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an adult beverage posted:I was thinking about Pete Carroll's Seahawks tenure and was wondering if Saban could be successful if given another shot at the NFL? Both ran pro-style offenses in CFB and are considered the best coach during their respective eras, but bombed during their first stints in the NFL. Grown men aren't afraid of little Napoleon so I doubt his usual tactic of trying to wish death upon a player via eye contact will work as well.
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Jun 21, 2017 18:09
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Saban has no reason to move. As Bama's coach, he gets more respect and gets paid better than all but like four or five NFL coaches (and I'd be willing to bet that if you factor in title bonuses and unofficial perks like boosters paying off his mortgage, he gets paid more than any of em)
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Jun 21, 2017 18:15
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I feel like he could be successful depending on the team he went to. I don't think anyone is finding any sort of success at the Browns no matter who it is, but if he went somewhere that has a history of at least a breath of life, he might be able to do it.
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Jun 21, 2017 18:42
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Crotch Bat posted:Grown men aren't afraid of little Napoleon so I doubt his usual tactic of trying to wish death upon a player via eye contact will work as well. Right, Carroll and Saban's styles are vastly different and where Carroll's first two stints as NFL coaches failed for various reasons, none of them were related to the fact that players just didn't have any respect for him. I'll say it: Saban's success at Alabama has very little to do with his coaching. He's running quite basic offenses and defenses. He's simply got players that are that much better than anyone else's players. He's a plus recruiter, he's hired other plus recruiters, and he's done well at hiding the influence of their boosters (easy to do when an exceptional recruiting class is not unexpected a la Ole Miss). You can get away with being a mediocre coach in the NFL if you're also making excellent personnel decisions, but not if your players think you're an rear end in a top hat.
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Jun 21, 2017 18:44
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KKKLIP ART posted:I feel like he could be successful depending on the team he went to. I don't think anyone is finding any sort of success at the Browns no matter who it is, but if he went somewhere that has a history of at least a breath of life, he might be able to do it. Who cares I just hope the NFL ends our long national nightmare of Alabama success.
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Jun 21, 2017 18:44
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kayakyakr posted:Right, Carroll and Saban's styles are vastly different and where Carroll's first two stints as NFL coaches failed for various reasons, none of them were related to the fact that players just didn't have any respect for him. Posting my favorite vid again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LNA4eiqw4s
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Jun 21, 2017 18:46
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kayakyakr posted:Right, Carroll and Saban's styles are vastly different and where Carroll's first two stints as NFL coaches failed for various reasons, none of them were related to the fact that players just didn't have any respect for him. I agree a lot of his bullshit doesn't work in the NFL but he is a really really really really good defensive coach, come on
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Jun 21, 2017 19:21
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That guy who has won a bunch of championships across two different teams? Nothing special, imo.
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Jun 21, 2017 19:22
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MourningView posted:I agree a lot of his bullshit doesn't work in the NFL but he is a really really really really good defensive coach, come on big money big clit posted:That guy who has won a bunch of championships across two different teams? Nothing special, imo. Plus recruiter, good defensive coach, at schools that are already predispositioned to win national titles. I mean, poo poo, Les Miles won a national championship with LSU.
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Jun 21, 2017 19:35
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Wrong thread
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kayakyakr posted:Plus recruiter, good defensive coach, at schools that are already predispositioned to win national titles. He's a very good defensive coach. And there are a lot of schools (Texas, USC, Notre Dame, Michigan, Florida) that are "pre-dispositioned" to win national titles based on natural advantages, and yet manage to spectacularly underperform routinely under a variety of coaches. LSU wasn't on a long streak of success when Saban got there. He's an exceptional college head coach, which encompasses a lot of disciplines beyond Xs and Os coaching, but he's also a very good Xs and Os defensive coach. Out of the crop of recent National Championship winner's I'd say he's more involved in X's and O's coaching than Urban or Dabo, who are also, get this, exceptionally good coaches. Saying "he runs really basic Offenses and Defenses" like it's a knock on his coaching ability is dumb. Ensuring consistency from game to game is probably the hardest thing for a college head coach and only the truly great ones can field consistent teams. Complicated schemes and playbooks don't benefit anyone. Chip Kelly's offense had like five plays in it, but it worked really really well because his players executed consistently.
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Jun 21, 2017 20:38
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Also Saban's schemes are actually more complicated than most of the programs in Alabama's league, that part just wasn't true.
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big money big clit posted:He's a very good defensive coach. And there are a lot of schools (Texas, USC, Notre Dame, Michigan, Florida) that are "pre-dispositioned" to win national titles based on natural advantages, and yet manage to spectacularly underperform routinely under a variety of coaches. LSU wasn't on a long streak of success when Saban got there. He's an exceptional college head coach, which encompasses a lot of disciplines beyond Xs and Os coaching, but he's also a very good Xs and Os defensive coach. Out of the crop of recent National Championship winner's I'd say he's more involved in X's and O's coaching than Urban or Dabo, who are also, get this, exceptionally good coaches. Urban used to be an X's and O's guy at Florida. He's much less that at Ohio State. Dabo is definitely not an X's and O's guy. There's a reason why Clemson, for many years, has had among the highest paid OC and DC in the nation.
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Raku posted:Also Saban's schemes are actually more complicated than most of the programs in Alabama's league, that part just wasn't true. Under Pruitt it is. I dunno about what Smart was like, but Pruitt is a bit of a mad scientist
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Jun 21, 2017 21:10
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Smart and Pruitt run a very similar system
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kayakyakr posted:Urban used to be an X's and O's guy at Florida. He's much less that at Ohio State. Dabo is definitely not an X's and O's guy. There's a reason why Clemson, for many years, has had among the highest paid OC and DC in the nation. Not really. Lots of long form during his tenure at UF about how he was a broad architect of his system, but it was really built by Brandon and Mullen at BG. He did a lot of hands on with ST though.
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Jun 21, 2017 22:22
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LeeMajors posted:Not really. Lots of long form during his tenure at UF about how he was a broad architect of his system, but it was really built by Brandon and Mullen at BG. Urbz is like the closest thing to a Beamer disciple you'll see. Dude visited Beamer virtually every offseason for the longest time, really bought into what Beamer preached about STs (most of the country bought in to some extent but Meyer was really about it). He and Beamer seemed to share a unique relationship from what I saw, always a lot of praise and respect from Meyer to Beamer even going beyond coach-speak stuff.
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Crotch Bat posted:Urbz is like the closest thing to a Beamer disciple you'll see. Dude visited Beamer virtually every offseason for the longest time, really bought into what Beamer preached about STs (most of the country bought in to some extent but Meyer was really about it). He and Beamer seemed to share a unique relationship from what I saw, always a lot of praise and respect from Meyer to Beamer even going beyond coach-speak stuff. "I want to be the head coach, and I want to run special teams. I want to be the game manager and the motivator," Meyer said. "I'm very involved in the offense, but I try to hire the best possible guys I can to coordinate, because coordinating the offense isn't calling a play. That's the misunderstanding."
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big money big clit posted:"I want to be the head coach, and I want to run special teams. I want to be the game manager and the motivator," Meyer said. "I'm very involved in the offense, but I try to hire the best possible guys I can to coordinate, because coordinating the offense isn't calling a play. That's the misunderstanding." Yep. He was huge on (and very good at) picking trick plays at opportune moments to gut your opponent or flip momentum (see punt fake against Arkansas, 2006 SECCG), but he was never an x-and-o playcalling junky.
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Jun 21, 2017 23:09
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Jimbo is a Saban disciple. This means something. 
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Although I'm 100% sure I'd disagree with his policies, I'd vote for Saban for POTUS in a heartbeat.
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Scarf posted:Although I'm 100% sure I'd disagree with his policies, I'd vote for Saban for POTUS in a heartbeat. He'll probably actually hire THE BEST PEOPLE though
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Jun 22, 2017 01:02
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Scarf posted:Although I'm 100% sure I'd disagree with his policies, I'd vote for Saban for POTUS in a heartbeat. "Russia ran through our digital electoral infrastructure like poo poo through a tin horn"
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Jun 22, 2017 01:05
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Meyer has a strong input as to what he wants the general offensive scheme/philosophy to be but he's never been a playcaller. He went straight from WR coach to head coach. The success of his offense rises and falls a lot depending on who the coordinator is and thankfully he's generally been very good at finding quality OCs
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Jun 22, 2017 01:18
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Scarf posted:Although I'm 100% sure I'd disagree with his policies, I'd vote for Saban for POTUS in a heartbeat. I've read/heard they he's apparently a centrist/blue dog democrat which isn't great but would put him way over on the liberal side when it comes to college football coaches
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Jun 22, 2017 01:21
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MourningView posted:I've read/heard they he's apparently a centrist/blue dog democrat which isn't great but would put him way over on the liberal side when it comes to college football coaches Yeah, this is what I've picked up on. I think being at Kent State during the shooting played some part in it.
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Despite having never been old enough to vote for him, Kirk Ferentz definitely still writes in Ike Eisenhower's name for president every year
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Saban is also one of those guys who low key is obviously ready for them to just legalize weed. Understands that you got to have standards but isn't a prude or anything. His story about midnight pussy and hillary clinton still owns
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Jun 22, 2017 01:28
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MourningView posted:I've read/heard they he's apparently a centrist/blue dog democrat which isn't great but would put him way over on the liberal side when it comes to college football coaches I mean, a blue dog democrat would be a nice change of pace these days...
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Jun 22, 2017 02:26
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I'm pretty sure HC at bama is like 6th in line for the presidency anyway.
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If you look back on the last century of Alabama history, you will find that football is the main driver of progressivism in the state.
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Greg McElroy assured me that because NASA has a station there, Alabama is actually a destination, a hub for physicists, scientists, men of letters and culture
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pillsburysoldier posted:Greg McElroy assured me that because NASA has a station there, Alabama is actually a destination, a hub for physicists, scientists, men of letters and culture I mean, Space Camp IS pretty rad. 
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