nothing to seehere posted:

Yep, it would be another "This new government wants to introduce full Corbynism now" speach

What I'm not sure about is if Corbyn has to try and pass another Queens Speech before he can call for a new election, or if he can just say to the queen "Nah, I don't want to have a go, another election please"

Namtab posted:

I've read that comment piece and it doesn't say anywhere why the left are now the extreme example of a right wing ideology.

Mister Adequate posted:

Josef bugman posted:

So, what does the article actually say? Is it just platitudes about "shhhh, we don't really need to reach out to the young, it'll get better, shhhhh".

XMNN posted:

he only regrets the fact the government is doing a hard brexit though, because his vote was clearly for a soft brexit and how could they misinterpret it

Mugsbaloney posted:

Nobody knows unless they can get past the paywall, which for obvious reasons (prove me wrong Times subscribers!) is quite unlikely. I would actually be quite interested to read what this guy thinks the Tories can offer kids (other than chloroform filled sweets) in a so-i-can-pshaw-at-it type of way, shame.

quote:

The Conservatives have a problem with the young. They don’t like us. As Gideon Skinner and Kully Kaur-Ballagan of Ipsos Mori pointed out in yesterday’s Red Box, age was the greatest dividing factor in the general election since records began in 1979, with Labour enjoying a 20 per cent swing among those aged between 18 and 34.

The worst thing that the Conservatives can do in response to this is to “act cool”, to develop new policies which would be patently targeted at the young. As any parent knows, the one sure way of further alienating a grumpy teenager is to take to the dance floor.

Fortunately, there is no need for them to do this. For as Daniel Mahoney and I explain today in Offering the Young a Good Deal, many Conservative policies would, if properly explained, be inherently attractive to the young. Take “austerity”. There are only three ways to deal with debt: to pay it off, to inflate it away or to default. The last two would be disastrous for everyone, but particularly the young. So the Conservative plan to balance the books (although not until 2025) should have some merit in their eyes. But adding at least £150 billion over five years to the national debt, as Jeremy Corbyn proposed, is simply spending more money now for the young to pay back when they are older.

Or take jobs. The Conservatives were virtually silent on the extraordinary success of the growth in employment since 2010. Shortly before the election, the total number of people in work in the UK hit a new high of 74.8 per cent – the best since records began in 1971. Compare that to youth unemployment in many of the countries of the EU: 24 per cent in France, 35 per cent in Italy, 42 per cent in Spain, 46 per cent in Greece. The UK? Youth unemployment is just 12 per cent. We didn’t hear much about that during the election.

But what we did hear about was Labour’s proposal to remove university tuition fees and restore maintenance grants. How could that not be attractive to students (and indeed their parents)? Yet what was not explained was that, as the Department for Education states, graduates earn an average of nearly £10,000 more a year. So this would in effect be a massive subsidy from low earners to the rich. And it would be expensive, costing at least £11 billion (the equivalent of an additional 3p on the basic rate of income tax). Had the Conservative Party attacked the policy on these grounds, as well as highlighting the progressive way in which tuition fees are paid in proportion to income, this could have done much to counter Labour’s pledge.

Similarly, the Conservatives could have done more to highlight their own socially liberal record. For example, the Equal Marriage Act, the Modern Slavery Act and the reforms to stop and search laws – all recent Conservative initiatives – were barely mentioned. They could also have gone further in addressing the housing crisis where younger voters need to see dramatic action if they are ever to get on the property ladder. And, instead of poorly explained proposals to make the elderly and their families pay for social care, they could have done more to address “intergenerational unfairness”: we are now in the extraordinary position whereby pensioner incomes after housing costs are now higher than those of a typical working age household. The introduction of an Office of Intergenerational Responsibility could, for example, produce inter-generational impact assessments to scrutinise all tax reliefs and exemptions. And a flat rate of income tax relief on pensions could save more than £10 billion a year, freeing up resources could be used for the benefit of all generations.

So, yes, the Conservatives should show a sensitivity to the concerns of the young. Not by pandering to them or by preaching to them. But by treating their arguments with respect and good humour, however intense the provocation from the outer fringes of Labour supporters. And to do this, as the Centre for Policy Studies is now exploring, why not take the battle to the young and tour the universities and sixth form colleges to debate how free-market policies are the best way forward?

Global poverty? Explain that it is not aid but the extension of free markets that has led to the extraordinary and unprecedented fall in absolute poverty from 44 per cent of the world’s population in 1980 to under 10 per cent today. Cheaper fruit and veg? Demonstrate that poorer nations globally, and poorer households domestically, suffer from policies such as the Common Agricultural Policy and that Brexit gives the UK a chance to put this right. More government investment? Show that this means that they, the young, will eventually have to pick up the bill for more state spending, determined by Whitehall.

Those of a conservative disposition have much to be proud of – apart from their failure to extol the benefits of why their policies tend to be so much more effective than those of the left (did anyone mention Venezuela during the election?). So stop being shy and hit the road!

Miftan posted:

Brexit means buttered toast, 2 hash browns, a sausage, 2 pieces of bacon, scrambled eggs, mushrooms and beans.

Maw posted:

One sausage. That's too little a number of sausages

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

The full English brexit

learnincurve posted:

Oh god. They are actually trying to kill us.

Neonicotinoids are basically crack to bees, you spray a tiny bit in a corner of a field and the bees will descend on it like it's their last meal on earth. Which it will be because very shortly afterward they will all be dead. This is not environmentalists pushing some sort of an agenda, this is a proven scientific fact. 2013 they were banned, 2014 the bee population went from; oh god where are they what is happening if we don't find out what's wrong nothing will be pollinated and all our crops will fail, to oh wow was that it, the bee population is starting to thrive, huzzah.

Gove is now trying to block their ban.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/22/tories-aim-block-full-eu-ban-bee-harming-pesticides

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Without a penny going to the Murdoch empire:

learnincurve posted:

Oh god. They are actually trying to kill us.

Neonicotinoids are basically crack to bees, you spray a tiny bit in a corner of a field and the bees will descend on it like it's their last meal on earth. Which it will be because very shortly afterward they will all be dead. This is not environmentalists pushing some sort of an agenda, this is a proven scientific fact. 2013 they were banned, 2014 the bee population went from; oh god where are they what is happening if we don't find out what's wrong nothing will be pollinated and all our crops will fail, to oh wow was that it, the bee population is starting to thrive, huzzah.

Gove is now trying to block their ban.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/22/tories-aim-block-full-eu-ban-bee-harming-pesticides

kustomkarkommando posted:

Fried eggs not scrambled you devil

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Without a penny going to the Murdoch empire:

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Without a penny going to the Murdoch empire:

learnincurve posted:

Oh god. They are actually trying to kill us.

Neonicotinoids are basically crack to bees, you spray a tiny bit in a corner of a field and the bees will descend on it like it's their last meal on earth. Which it will be because very shortly afterward they will all be dead. This is not environmentalists pushing some sort of an agenda, this is a proven scientific fact. 2013 they were banned, 2014 the bee population went from; oh god where are they what is happening if we don't find out what's wrong nothing will be pollinated and all our crops will fail, to oh wow was that it, the bee population is starting to thrive, huzzah.

Gove is now trying to block their ban.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/22/tories-aim-block-full-eu-ban-bee-harming-pesticides

Baron Corbyn posted:

Haha yes. I can't wait to see the "Actually Austerity is Good" university tour

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Without a penny going to the Murdoch empire:

Josef bugman posted:

That and "Mention Venezuela"... Christ that is stupid.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Do you know why Australian bees weren't dying? Had we banned that? Are our bees not affected by them?

Pesmerga posted:

It's like the olds being stunned that 18 year olds didn't really give a poo poo about the IRA.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Without a penny going to the Murdoch empire:

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Do you know why Australian bees weren't dying? Had we banned that? Are our bees not affected by them?

Aphex- posted:

Aren't Caramel Freddos called Taz?

Or am I at least a decade and a half out of the loop? Last Freddo I had was probably in 2004, it was the only way to cope with the bus rides to school.

Miftan posted:

I'll trade you egg version in exchange for keeping all pudding colours off our brexit (scrambled is still the superior version, though)

Rumda posted:

We do not negotiate with anti-pudding extremists.

Josef bugman posted:

That is really self-promoting and really really stupid. Does he believe that the word of random white guy number 545 is going to beat actual economists who think austerity is bullshit, or peoples lived experience of it?

learnincurve posted:

Oh god. They are actually trying to kill us.

Neonicotinoids are basically crack to bees, you spray a tiny bit in a corner of a field and the bees will descend on it like it's their last meal on earth. Which it will be because very shortly afterward they will all be dead. This is not environmentalists pushing some sort of an agenda, this is a proven scientific fact. 2013 they were banned, 2014 the bee population went from; oh god where are they what is happening if we don't find out what's wrong nothing will be pollinated and all our crops will fail, to oh wow was that it, the bee population is starting to thrive, huzzah.

Gove is now trying to block their ban.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/22/tories-aim-block-full-eu-ban-bee-harming-pesticides

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Do you know why Australian bees weren't dying? Had we banned that? Are our bees not affected by them?

learnincurve posted:

They are dying in Australia, Australia does not have special poison immune honey bees.

2006-2014 we lost over 81,000 hives due to bees getting sick and dying, 30% are dying over winter now. The ones that are clinging on are being dosed with antibiotics by 8.5/10 of commercial keepers and no one is saying poo poo about these antibiotics being in the human food chain.

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Gum posted:

Imo part of the reason Corbyn won over the youth is that he's the first politician in a while who seems to understand the difference between an 18 year old and a 14 year old

Gorn Myson posted:

The most damning thing you can take away from TTOI on a re-watch is that the public barely feature in it. The entire show is about pointless politicians being bullied for not dancing properly in front of the press because they don't know how to properly sell their poo poo policies. No one accomplishes anything meaningful in TTOI.

Gum posted:

Imo part of the reason Corbyn won over the youth is that he's the first politician in a while who seems to understand the difference between an 18 year old and a 14 year old