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Avalerion posted:Is this not doing well overseas or what? Only two screenings this Saturday and both late in the evening. It's summer time. Kids movies will reign supreme.
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Yea, would have thought super hero movies are popular with kids though.
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Jun 21, 2017 20:00
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I've known a couple parents who had to run out of the theater with crying kids because the violence was too much (one of them specifically because of watching people die painfully from the poison gas)
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Jun 21, 2017 20:05
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Avalerion posted:Yea, would have thought super hero movies are popular with kids though. Most of them (all of them?) are PG-13. Why would someone take little kids to see people getting limbs blown off when Cars 3 is on. 
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Jun 21, 2017 20:23
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Huh. Is that recent? I remember being into super heroes as a kid and marketing suggests likewise, you had batman and even robocop lunchboxes, toys, toothbrushes etc. Don't think anyone actually cared about ratings unless it was outright 18+ (so basically porn) back then.
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Jun 21, 2017 20:50
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Sounds like those kids need to learn about the great darkness simmering within all of us.
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Toady posted:People who don't see the Christian imagery are ignoring what's on the screen. I was, earlier in this thread, accused of being an imperialistic cultural-idiot because I saw Christian imagery in the film, so you're barking up the wrong tree here. I'm taking issue with a specific statement of yours, that you don't actually address in this post, that Steve Trevor teaches that people will be saved through faith in Christ. I'm not disagreeing with the existence of Christian imagery in general. Vegetable posted:I wonder if the studio might have seen an early version of the No Man's Land scene because that poo poo would not be nearly as impressive without the music or CGI. From what I recall, studio push back against the scene was in the drafting stage, prior to filming.
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Jun 21, 2017 20:59
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Sir Kodiak posted:From what I recall, studio push back against the scene was in the drafting stage, prior to filming.
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Avalerion posted:Huh. Is that recent? I remember being into super heroes as a kid and marketing suggests likewise, you had batman and even robocop lunchboxes, toys, toothbrushes etc. Robocop is rated R and full of sex and gore sooooo I don't know why parents would take their kids to see that. Teens yeah sure, but sub 12 years old? lol, no. Seriously though, the WW movie had some brutal shots in it as far as bloody war stuff goes. I loved the movie. My older kids loved the movie. And I'm sure my younger one will love it when they grow up a bit.
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Jun 21, 2017 21:03
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Mr. Apollo posted:The quote I saw from Patty said she received so much pushback that she had to storyboard the whole scene and walk the executives through it with members of the crew explaining how they planned to set up the shot and everything. Yeah, that's what I heard too. I'm not defending the executives, just clarifying that it wasn't that they were trying to cut it because they were seeing footage without music or CGI.
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Jun 21, 2017 21:11
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Sir Kodiak posted:Yeah, that's what I heard too. I'm not defending the executives, just clarifying that it wasn't that they were trying to cut it because they were seeing footage without music or CGI.
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Mr. Apollo posted:edit - One other thing I was wondering, in BvS and in he JL trailer Diana has a different shield. It has a plain front as opposed to the "star burst" pattern in WW. This is obviously deliberate but any ideas why? Would the new shield and sword still be "made by the gods"? A lot can happen in 100 years, anything could have happened. She's also been working in the antiquities department of at least one museum during all that so who knows what historical artifacts she would have access to. I think a much much more important question is why Spider-Man suddenly has a bunk bed in the trailer for Homecoming when he only had a single bed in Civil War. There better be a tie-in comic explaining that or there'll be trouble. 
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Jun 22, 2017 03:01
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Mr. Apollo posted:Plus the official novelization I linked earlier makes it pretty clear that he died (it does a weird "psychic connection" thing between the two of them before he died and that's how she realizes what he was saying to her before he ran to the plane. That really didn't work on film, it's one of my gripes with the third act. Oh, and this movie is totally about a Christianized theology. The first thing the movie does with the Greek pantheon is to cut it down. Most of the gods are killed, leaving only the creator and the evil tempter who is cast down. That's not an accidental parallel with God and Lucifer. Later in the film we find that Diana is the child of the Creator and a She is the Christ with a sword, a luminous figure. Steve is the Lamb, the mortal blood sacrifice. Together, the two fulfill the Christ role. Both ascend into the heavens; he to his death, she in triumph as she realizes her destiny and puts down the source of evil in the world. For love. That's all text, it's all on-screen and some of it is even spoken out loud.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:A lot can happen in 100 years, anything could have happened. She's also been working in the antiquities department of at least one museum during all that so who knows what historical artifacts she would have access to. mllaneza posted:That really didn't work on film, it's one of my gripes with the third act. Continuing with the Christ role, I don't think it's a coincidence that Steve's death results in Diana being "reborn" into her divine form. She even rises up in a cruciform position. The final message of "Humans may not deserve redemption but thy are redeemable with the power of love." meshes up with stuff like John 15:12-13 “My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.” Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:A lot can happen in 100 years, anything could have happened. She's also been working in the antiquities department of at least one museum during all that so who knows what historical artifacts she would have access to. Oh I know this one! Tony gave him the 'ol summer camp counselor routine: "Peter, don't tell your aunt what we did back in the airport, here is some ice cream and a bunk bed. Never tell your aunt" Mr. Apollo posted:Ohhh yeah, that's a good point. With her museum access who knows what kind of weapons and artifacts she's found over the last century. I love this explanation because it's really stupid and fun. "We uh found this immaculate sword that can cut through a mountain, lets put it in a museum. We also found a shield that can deflect nuclear weapons, lets not study but put on display. This cannot possibly have any kind of benefits for mankind." MrJacobs fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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I mean...I admit, I don't really know what people actually do when they discover priceless historical relics, but I'm like ~40% sure they don't shoot them with bullets and try to chop rocks with them. 
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BrianWilly posted:I mean...I admit, I don't really know what people actually do when they discover priceless historical relics, but I'm like ~40% sure they don't shoot them with bullets and try to chop rocks with them. Diana doesn't play by man's rules. She will smash swords on stones like it aint no thing. If the blade breaks, it was unworthy of her museum.
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Jun 22, 2017 11:51
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Well yeah, I mean if you find an ancient shield on an archeological dig you're probably not going to test to see if it's imbued with any magical properties. However, Diana would recognize it for what it is
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BrianWilly posted:I mean...I admit, I don't really know what people actually do when they discover priceless historical relics, but I'm like ~40% sure they don't shoot them with bullets and try to chop rocks with them. Funny that this is exactly what happens in The Mummy (2017)
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BrianWilly posted:I mean...I admit, I don't really know what people actually do when they discover priceless historical relics, but I'm like ~40% sure they don't shoot them with bullets and try to chop rocks with them. 
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Funny niggles I have with the movie * Did Steve and Diana sail all the way from the Aegean Sea to London in that little Amazon sailboat? Wouldn't it have made more sense to land in British-controlled Egypt and take a steamer to London? * Did nobody take one or two hours to give Diana a crash course in how war and politics in Man's World works? Steve keeps saying "I don't know" to all her questions, some of which a child could answer.
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In the movie Themyscria supposed to be located somewhere in the North Sea. That means that Steve flew his plane all the way across Europe. I don't think WW1 planes would have had the range to fly from the Ottoman Empire to the North Sea. I suppose he could have landed and refuelled while maintaining his German disguise but you'd think a message would have gone out to everyone warning of a spy dressed as a German pilot and flying a stolen German plane. As for the questions she's asking, they can all be answered by "Your preconceived notions of humankind are wrong. Yes we're capable of beautiful dreams but also horrible nightmares." and the "why" portion of that answer is pretty complicated. However, Diana is so firm in her beliefs that she really needs to be see it all for herself before it really sinks in. Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Jun 22, 2017 13:28
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Mr. Apollo posted:In the movie Themyscria supposed to be located somewhere in the North Sea. That means that Steve flew his plane all the way across Europe. I don't think WW1 planes would have had the range to fly from the Ottoman Empire to the North Sea. I suppose he could have landed and refuelled while maintaining his German disguise but you'd think a message would have gone out to everyone warning of a spy dressed as a German pilot and flying a stolen German plane. Themyscria is where it needs to be. That's why Steve's compass was spinning like crazy when he was trying to figure out where he was when he was on the island.
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Jun 22, 2017 13:49
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A compass doesn't tell you where you are, it only tells you which way is north. Steve should have known the general area he was in, given the landmarks he passed on the way and the time he spent in the air.
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MrJacobs posted:I love this explanation because it's really stupid and fun. "We uh found this immaculate sword that can cut through a mountain, lets put it in a museum. We also found a shield that can deflect nuclear weapons, lets not study but put on display. This cannot possibly have any kind of benefits for mankind."
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I don't remember, the map that Steve is looking at when he's trying to use the compass, what area does it show?
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Kurzon posted:Funny niggles I have with the movie It's a movie about Zeus' daughter kicking Stormtroopers out of towers, I think we can excuse some questionable geography.
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well why not posted:It's a movie about Zeus' daughter kicking Stormtroopers out of towers, I think we can excuse some questionable geography.
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verisimilitude is inappropriate in works of fantasy.
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I was just rewatching the Doomsday fight scene in BvS and when Lois Lane runs up after the battle to discover Superman is dead it's Diana who turns and looks at her. Diana understood.
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BrianWilly posted:I mean...I admit, I don't really know what people actually do when they discover priceless historical relics, but I'm like ~40% sure they don't shoot them with bullets and try to chop rocks with them. In 1965, a Chinese excavation uncovered a bronze sword from a tomb. Finding it remarkably untarnished, they decided use it to chop a stack of paper with it to see if it was still sharp. (It was.) http://mymodernmet.com/sword-of-goujian/
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Mr. Apollo posted:I was just rewatching the Doomsday fight scene in BvS and when Lois Lane runs up after the battle to discover Superman is dead it's Diana who turns and looks at her. Diana understood. In the Ultimate edition there's an extra shot of Diana's face to further show her emphathy for Lois.
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Equeen posted:In the Ultimate edition there's an extra shot of Diana's face to further show her emphathy for Lois. I didn't pick up on it at the time other then "oh she's feels bad for her that Clark is dead" but after seeing WW it now has additional meaning. Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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poptart_fairy posted:She falls in love with his assumed spy alias, never truly knowing the real Steven, and her actions lead to the Nazis gaining power. Steven's body died but his brain was saved and granted new life in the body of a young German soldier with a funny mustache.
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Actually ran into someone today who was extremely upset that WW had men in it for a different reason that to be killed by WW. She was particularly infuriated that WW wasn't gay and that a romance was forced onto her character in the movie. Also argued that the movie wasn't empowering enough for women. When I asked her to describe "empowering" she basically just wanted a movie where a bunch of super masculine women killed every man they came across.
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I thought romance angle was a bit boring as well op
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Mr. Apollo posted:I was just rewatching the Doomsday fight scene in BvS and when Lois Lane runs up after the battle to discover Superman is dead it's Diana who turns and looks at her. Diana understood. There's some other cool stuff around her in BvS, like introducing us to Diana visually while Lex is blathering on about Greek mythology at the fundraiser--seriously funny as hell while Lex manically bounces from point to point pointlessly while you can see and almost hear her eyes rolling into the back of her head. Also starting off with the definition of philanthropist, etc. Also later on, knowing about the sword of Alexander the Great at the museum event as part of her cover job (where Bruce's interest comes at it from the angle of his crime fighting), etc.
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I've read a few reviews where people expressed disappointment that batman wasn't in the movie even as a cameo role. 
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Mr. Apollo posted:edit - One other thing I was wondering, in BvS and in he JL trailer Diana has a different shield. It has a plain front as opposed to the "star burst" pattern in WW. This is obviously deliberate but any ideas why? Would the new shield and sword still be "made by the gods"? Diana is literally a god, I don't think it's a big concern. Ares kept making swords out of tanks.
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Me and my wife liked the film, Gal Gadot is excellent for the role and bad-rear end. Chris Pine was good also. The final clash with the main baddie was in places a bit stereotypical for a superhero movie, but overall the movie was entertaining. Would watch again. I don't read comics really so can not comment on the source material, but this movie made me interested in seeing more Wonder Woman.
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