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Masks has nice art, but man, I would have been happier if they'd cut back on the art to find room to put the actual playbooks in the printed book. This isn't the first PbtA game I've seen to push playbooks to a web supplement, but I still don't like it.
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Why are they called playbooks and not classes or roles anyway?
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SunAndSpring posted:Why are they called playbooks and not classes or roles anyway? I presume it's based on the idea of printing out each one for play into a small folded booklet? It's AW terminology that the rest of the PbtA community has just run with.
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I thought it was because they contain all the special moves (or plays) your character can do, like a sports team's playbook.
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SunAndSpring posted:
Nah I'm right there with you.
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I feel really left out now.
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You might be right! I really think it comes down to it being a term that Vincent Baker liked, for whatever reason, and nobody else really messed with. In retrospect, Apocalypse World being a huge breakout hit as a generic engine is kind of fascinating given how very idiosyncratic and personal-feeling the original game itself is.
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Antivehicular posted:You might be right! I really think it comes down to it being a term that Vincent Baker liked, for whatever reason, and nobody else really messed with. In retrospect, Apocalypse World being a huge breakout hit as a generic engine is kind of fascinating given how very idiosyncratic and personal-feeling the original game itself is. IIRC, Dungeon World helped get more people in it as the writting and sex moves kept people away from AW initially.
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DalaranJ posted:I thought it was because they contain all the special moves (or plays) your character can do, like a sports team's playbook.
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Cease to Hope posted:This isn't true at all. FATE came out in 2003, for one. It's is based on FUDGE, which was even slimmer, and did originally come out in the 90s. There was even another FUDGE clone, Kobalds Ate My Baby, that was successful enough to run multiple editions and also get reused for Ninja Burger. I was counting FUDGE, because Fudge and Fate are basically the same game except Fate is written much more legibly and is significantly cleaned up. If you don't count that I guess FATE is only 14 years old instead of 25 years old. SunAndSpring posted:Every PbtA game I've read has had really bad art, save for Masks which alright. Like, I was gonna give Fellowship a go but that would require looking at the book and I cannot do so because it's a compilation of every art trend I hate You're not even the first person to say this about the book but it confuses me every time. The art does exactly what I want it to do - portray a more hopeful world, and show the diversity available to each playbook. A lot of people have told me they got into the game because when they looked at the Orc art, they didn't see only green murderboys represented, but also a lava princess and a mushroom. Its good art, and exactly what I wanted it to be.
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It looks like a Steven Universe fan webcomic
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Plutonis posted:It looks like a Steven Universe fan webcomic Still not seeing a problem here.
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Yeah, no. The art is good, it serves its purpose and it sets the tone of the game. This is like complaining about chrome and neon lights in a cyberpunk game.Plutonis posted:It looks like a Steven Universe fan webcomic I am not surprised to see someone who finds things too nice and cute to be unpleasant using that as an insult. paradoxGentleman fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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paradoxGentleman posted:I am not surprised to see someone who finds things too nice and cute to be unpleasant using that as an insult. I love Ryuutama's art, dude. It looks legit cute and whimsical instead of trying too hard and looking weird.
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It's flat and ugly and the proportions are weird. Like conceptually it has a bunch of good qualities, it's diverse, it isn't titty armor every other page, it illustrates a bunch of possible interpretations of each playbook, but it could do all of that without looking like it came from DeviantArt.
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Hell, I own Fellowship just for the art.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:It's flat and ugly and the proportions are weird. For some reason, that's just a strange thing to say to me. I mean, of course it looks like something from DeviantArt. I can guarantee you all those artist had a DeviantArt account. I can guarantee you many artists in TRPGs have DeviantArts. On more than one occasion, I've looked for artists to hire using DeviantArt as one of my resources and, when I was trying to get the guy from Masks to do art for a 3rd party playbook, I checked for him (and found him) on DeviantArt. It might be a lovely, old social media site, but its where a lot of artists (including many professionals) hang out and it's place where people know to look when they need a commission. I'm not even defending the site, it just seems like an odd complaint because, well, of course that art is from DeviantArt.
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Covok posted:For some reason, that's just a strange thing to say to me. I mean, of course it looks like something from DeviantArt. I can guarantee you all those artist had a DeviantArt account. I can guarantee you many artists in TRPGs have DeviantArts. On more than one occasion, I've looked for artists to hire using DeviantArt as one of my resources and, when I was trying to get the guy from Masks to do art for a 3rd party playbook, I checked for him (and found him) on DeviantArt. It might be a lovely, old social media site, but its where a lot of artists (including many professionals) hang out and it's place where people know to look when they need a commission. there is so much amazing, professional and amateur art on DA I don't think people should trash it because others who aren't so good post to it as well
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Jun 22, 2017 17:00
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We should be slagging off on Poser instead; there is no good poser art.
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A lot of good games have incredibly lovely art in any case. Ex3's is all over the place and has several cases of plagiarism and crappy poser stuff compared to 2E yet its a far superior edition. And then there's Nobilis.
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 It came from DeviantArt so it must be garbage am I right??? 
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Halloween Jack posted:We should be slagging off on Poser instead; there is no good poser art.
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Yawgmoth posted:Poser isn't even supposed to be art, is it? I thought it was just supposed to be a tool for sketching your own art and getting things like shadows and joints correct. Tell that to the comics industry.    And Roosterteeth.  Yes, I know they use Maya now, but the first 3 seasons used Poser Covok fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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I'm sorry if I was flippant and got too defensive. I'm just very much in favor of happy, bright fantasy. We need more of it, and I say this as someone who looks at Mortasheen and loves every second of it.
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Halloween Jack posted:We should be slagging off on Poser instead; there is no good poser art. Are there any bad RPGs with poser art though? Don't answer that.
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DalaranJ posted:Are there any bad RPGs with poser art though? Don't answer that. Chris Fields
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Covok posted:Tell that to the comics industry. Greg Lands' overly shadowed, porn traced, garbage art is 100% hand made, not poser models.
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why does iron man's suit have muscles
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DalaranJ posted:Are there any bad RPGs with poser art though? Don't answer that. exalted Tuxedo Catfish posted:why does iron man's suit have muscles why not give it muscles?
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:why does iron man's suit have muscles They only paid for one model.
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The Gantz guy traces backgrounds from photos and it looks incredibly lovely too
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:why does iron man's suit have muscles Because the naked man the artist traced did.
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Serf posted:why not give it muscles? It makes it look like it's skintight, which is a weird thing for power armor to be. I mean I realize this is a very obvious and well-trod line of criticism that could be directed at comic book costumes at large but still.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:why does iron man's suit have muscles why is he cosplaying as captain america?
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:It makes it look like it's skintight, which is a weird thing for power armor to be. clearly tony is compensating for his own reedy figure
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:why does iron man's suit have muscles That's not Iron Man, that's Norman Osborn as the "Iron Patriot." See, Norman Osborn, the Green Goblin, was president, Iron Man was a criminal and Captain America was dead because of Civil War. So, Norman stole Iron Man's suit and merged it with Captain America's persona so he can claim to be the "Iron Patriot," the new leader of the Avengers.
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fool_of_sound posted:why is he cosplaying as captain america? Because he's the Iron Patriot, a New hero for the Pepsi Generation.
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Covok posted:That's not Iron Man, that's Norman Osborn as the "Iron Patriot." See, Norman Osborn, the Green Goblin, was president, Iron Man was a criminal and Captain America was dead. So, Norman stole Iron Man's suit and merged it with Captain America's persona so he can claim to be the "Iron Patriot," the new leader of the Avengers. Superhero comics suck rear end!!!
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:why does iron man's suit have muscles He's a real patriot
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Covok posted:That's not Iron Man, that's Norman Osborn as the "Iron Patriot." See, Norman Osborn, the Green Goblin, was president, Iron Man was a criminal and Captain America was dead because of Civil War. So, Norman stole Iron Man's suit and merged it with Captain America's persona so he can claim to be the "Iron Patriot," the new leader of the Avengers. i'm glad i was too poor to read comics during this arc
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