Elyv posted:

oath was a bad set with some good cards, all but one of which had diamonds in their mana cost

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"Rebuilding Khenra"
1G
Creature - Jackal Wizard
When this creature enters the battlefield, you may give target creature +X/+X until end of turn, where X is Rebuilding Khenra's power.

Eternalize 4GG
2/2

YggdrasilTM posted:

Elyv posted:

On an unrelated note, I want to say that I dislike how demons are giant dudes with an eeeeevil ability, instead of giant dudes who could potentially have a drawback. It doesn't even need to be something like Lord of the Pit, I just want there to be scenarios where your deal with the devil backfires. Don't want to draw a card and lose a life whenever something dies because you're already at 1? Well, maybe you shouldn't have cast that Kothophed. Can't cast your demon of dark schemes because it wipes the board? Oh I'm sorry. Cards like Griselbrand, Herald of Anguish, and this new dude I'm not even going to try to spell annoy me a bit (obviously, Griselbrand is annoying for other reasons too)

Mikujin posted:

They probably don't do this because when they do it sucks and no one wants to play it:

Mikujin posted:

They probably don't do this because when they do it sucks and no one wants to play it:

Elyv posted:

In that case the card is really built around the drawback. There's a reason I mentioned Demon of Dark Schemes; it barely has a drawback, but at least there's a semi-realistic scenario where you wouldn't want to make your deal with the devil.

Mikujin posted:

The problem with drawback cards is that, typically, if the drawback is noticeable or able to occur with any degree of frequency the card sees zero play or hype. No one wants to open a Treacherous Pit-Dweller or equivalent, and no one is excited to play it regardless of how thematically fitting it is. This is especially problematic when you start dealing with creature types that are considered iconic - like Angels, Demons, Dragons. Everyone excepts them to be powerful or cool and not just poo poo that makes your life miserable to play with.

Rinkles posted:

There are ways of weaving that into a powerful effect. Perfect example: Bob.

Mikujin posted:

What I was getting at is the cost/benefit analysis of the card itself. There's virtually no drawback to playing Bob (if memory serves the math on Bob in a traditional deck list, for example, was that it costs something on the order of 0.7 life per turn). Similarly, there's virtually no drawback on cards like Griselbrand or Bloodgift demon (even though it's there).

Cards like Treacherous Pit-Dweller employ punisher mechanics rather than drawbacks you can mitigate in deck design. Punisher mechanics are never good or fun so they really hit that "not even casuals want to play this card" sweet spot.

Angry Grimace posted:

Razaketh is not only horrible, it's one of the dumbest designs in recent memory - who the gently caress is playing a deck full of sac-cable creatures plus an 8 drop.

uninverted posted:

There was a cryptolith rite deck in SOI standard that played Dragonlord Atarka

Elyv posted:

paincaster, what a name

Elyv posted:

paincaster, what a name

Tainen posted:

Newbie question. Let's say your opponent is attacking with a glorybringer. Can I defend with this card then exert it to cause the one extra damage so the glorybringer dies as well? I feel like on streams I have seen people activate card abilities as they are about to die / be exiled but I am not quite sure which abilities can and can't be used like that.

Attorney at Funk posted:

Yes and no. Activating abilities after blocks are declared works like you want it to, but Fervent Paincaster can't block Glorybringer in the first place because Glorybringer has flying.

Star Man posted:

You remember how Moses spoke to Ramses in The Ten Commandments or in The Prince of Egypt and threw his staff to the ground and it turned into a snake?

Elyv posted:

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YggdrasilTM posted:

uninverted posted:

Could T1 mana creature, T2 counter your fetchland be a real thing in modern?

Attorney at Funk posted:

Shadow of Doubt does the same thing with less work and that effect has only seen rare play in Modern.

Attorney at Funk posted:

Shadow of Doubt does the same thing with less work and that effect has only seen rare play in Modern.

Typhus733 posted:

Shadow of Doubt cantrips while stifling, this stifles while leaving a 3/1 flyer. While there is overlap, this is definitely a different card. It's not bonkers but it seems good enough to warrant at least trying out.

Typhus733 posted:

Shadow of Doubt cantrips while stifling, this stifles while leaving a 3/1 flyer.

Typhus733 posted:

Shadow of Doubt cantrips while stifling, this stifles while leaving a 3/1 flyer. While there is overlap, this is definitely a different card. It's not bonkers but it seems good enough to warrant at least trying out.

Star Man posted:

Not it doesn't. You either get the bird or you cycle for Stifle. You don't get both.

YggdrasilTM posted:

Typhus733 posted:

Shadow of Doubt cantrips while stifling, this stifles while leaving a 3/1 flyer. While there is overlap, this is definitely a different card. It's not bonkers but it seems good enough to warrant at least trying out.

the Orb of Zot posted:

I don't see this seeing standard play; Griselbrand was unfathomably stronger and still only was playable in Standard due to the presence of an incredible reanimation spell, and the cost for the tutor means you aren't even drawing cards off of it.

I am also disappointed that you can't even sacrifice it to itself for the tutor effect if needed.