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Pander posted:I want a Democratic candidate who repeatedly yells two things over and over again The next Democratic Candidate will almost certainly support Medicare for all. I don't think anyone could make it through a dem primary without it, especially after AHCA. 
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Petr posted:Individual cops don't, but a lot of departments are funded by the war on drugs. Trabisnikof posted:Doesn't matter what the rank and file think, it matters if the Local Police Association is running ads against your candidate or not. Don't these organizations already pull for Republicans almost all the time though? It rings like a lot of the arguments against progressive policies where if you actually fight for them more people show up and the same assholes keep complaining at the same max volume they never turn down.
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Petr posted:Al Franken was on the Blabbermouth podcast and apparently they asked him if he's going to run. Haven't listened to it yet though. Everyone's going to say no, the last thing we want is to give the GOP in general a great big target. That being said Franken 2020.
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TARDISman posted:Everyone's going to say no, the last thing we want is to give the GOP in general a great big target. That being said Franken 2020. I couldn't sleep on Tuesday night and I read about half of his newest book. It's actually really great.
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Jun 23, 2017 00:17
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TARDISman posted:Everyone's going to say no, the last thing we want is to give the GOP in general a great big target. That being said Franken 2020. I'd love to vote for Al Franken, but there is a TON of oppo on stuff he's said in the past before his political career. The first election he won by the skin of his teeth was incredibly negative, with people calling him a rapist and stuff.
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RasperFat posted:Don't these organizations already pull for Republicans almost all the time though? It rings like a lot of the arguments against progressive policies where if you actually fight for them more people show up and the same assholes keep complaining at the same max volume they never turn down. The point is that for Congressional races, where legalization won't be effected by the outcome of the race, it doesn't help you get out the vote to adopt the position but it can help you get on some right-wing PAC hit list to prove a point. By all means, candidates should support legalization if they already do, but the idea that Congressional candidates should change their opinion on legalization to GOTV doesn't make sense.
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Al would make a very good Vice President, even if he wouldn't have the Senate clout Biden had.
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Hellblazer187 posted:I couldn't sleep on Tuesday night and I read about half of his newest book. It's actually really great. Al Franken's books are what got me to start giving a poo poo about politics during the Dubya years, I'm really glad to hear the new one's good.
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Petr posted:I'd love to vote for Al Franken, but there is a TON of oppo on stuff he's said in the past before his political career. The first election he won by the skin of his teeth was incredibly negative, with people calling him a rapist and stuff. Oh word oppo? We're in the age of trump now
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Just nominate someone with charisma and a personality. That's more than half the battle.
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Trabisnikof posted:The point is that for Congressional races, where legalization won't be effected by the outcome of the race, it doesn't help you get out the vote to adopt the position but it can help you get on some right-wing PAC hit list to prove a point. I think it would work if they couched it as, "Let's stop the drug war, so we don't have to keep wasting your tax bucks by throwing non-violent offenders into the prison system."
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Jun 23, 2017 00:24
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nachos posted:Oh word oppo? We're in the age of trump now Dem voters are dumb as poo poo and care about decency lol
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Hellblazer187 posted:I couldn't sleep on Tuesday night and I read about half of his newest book. It's actually really great. I've been listening to the audiobook on my way to and from work. Sometimes I'll look for excuses to run errands so I can listen to more of it. It's so drat good, my first vote was for him and I'm super happy about it. 
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Homeless Friend posted:Dem voters are dumb as poo poo and care about decency lol Yeah that's true actually. There would be so much more talk about it in the media than was the case with Trump too.
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nachos posted:Oh word oppo? We're in the age of trump now "This just in: Trump accuses Franken of Rape for the 29th time, we now cut to Trump's comments..."
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I think Al Franken is a bad option for president.
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nachos posted:Oh word oppo? We're in the age of trump now Oppo still works on Democrats.
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Pander posted:He said no, which is the only sane answer a person can give at this point in time. Whoa whoa whoa Obama didn't do angry. He made big loud speeches but he was not a fire and brimstone politician, nor do I think it likely that he could have succeeded as one. That might be what we need now, but it sure wasn't Obama.
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:I think Al Franken is a bad option for president. I think you're a bad troll rereg.
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Trump is going to accuse literally everyone of rape that runs against him. LOL if you don't realize this. Rape will probably be the least offensive thing he tries to accuse them of.
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Jaxyon posted:Trump is going to accuse literally everyone of rape that runs against him. I mean, he did accuse Hillary of all people of infidelity.
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:I think Al Franken is a bad option for president. He's...the comedy option
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Jaxyon posted:Trump is going to accuse literally everyone of rape that runs against him. Yeah, but most of them won't have hours of recordings of them saying "offensive" things. Look, I like Franken, I just think that's something that needs to be taken into consideration.
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Petr posted:Yeah, but most of them won't have hours of recordings of them saying "offensive" things.  The primaries might be, ahem, difficult for him.
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Petr posted:Yeah, but most of them won't have hours of recordings of them saying "offensive" things. I don't think Franken plays well against a trump, he's not really charismatic. I'm just saying that Trump Holding On Desperately To Office is going to plumb some new depths.
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boner confessor posted:*candidate narrowly defeated in closest election in recent memory* "ugh this isn't working, HUGE electoral losses!" This isn't kindergarten. There are no participation trophies. You either win or lose. "Narrow defeat" is still a defeat.
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enraged_camel posted:This isn't kindergarten. There are no participation trophies. You either win or lose. "Narrow defeat" is still a defeat. You're right this isn't kindergarten, and that shiny pebble is a nice to have, not a must have.
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enraged_camel posted:This isn't kindergarten. There are no participation trophies. You either win or lose. "Narrow defeat" is still a defeat. By the margins that the electorate seems to be shifting a "narrow defeat" in one area means a "solid victory" in another.
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Boon posted:You're right this isn't kindergarten, and that shiny pebble is a nice to have, not a must have. If you want to win, sometimes you must promise the shiny pebble.
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Jaxyon posted:Trump is going to accuse literally everyone of rape that runs against him. Well yeah, he's a rapist and protection is all he does
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Petr posted:I'd love to vote for Al Franken, but there is a TON of oppo on stuff he's said in the past before his political career. The first election he won by the skin of his teeth was incredibly negative, with people calling him a rapist and stuff. yeah, really what sunk obama was all that oppo about jeremiah wright, the choom gang, saul alinsky, his nefarious chicago connections, to say NOTHING of his madrassa upbringing as a kenyan muslim terrorist! that oppo stuff sure is killer
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Majorian posted:If you want to win, sometimes you must promise the shiny pebble. But you shouldn't throw a tantrum if it doesn't work out. At the end of the day, it's just a pebble. E: Unless you think certain Dem voters are immature and without perspective but need baubles to be happy, then yeah I think we agree. Boon fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Jaxyon posted:I don't think Franken plays well against a trump, he's not really charismatic. I'm just saying that Trump Holding On Desperately To Office is going to plumb some new depths. Who'd play better against Trump? All Duckworth would do is prove that there is more and it is always worse.
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Majorian posted:Yeah that's true actually. There would be so much more talk about it in the media than was the case with Trump too. In the wise words of that 1 rando Clinton staffer: I'd rather lose than win the way you guys did.
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Boon posted:You're right this isn't kindergarten, and that shiny pebble is a nice to have, not a must have. In a system where those with the most pebbles call the shots, it loving is a must have. But yeah, with your attitude the Democrats will never make the sort of comeback that can undo the damage this administration is causing.
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enraged_camel posted:In a system where those with the most pebbles call the shots, it loving is a must have. Oh? Did Ij black out and the President dissolved Congress to hold elections Tuesday?
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Jaxyon posted:Trump is going to accuse literally everyone of rape that runs against him. Democrats need to run a tall fat white guy with bad hair whose name has been legally changed to 'Donald Trump.' Just gently caress it at this point.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:By the margins that the electorate seems to be shifting a "narrow defeat" in one area means a "solid victory" in another. We have no hard evidence that the electorate is shifting by any appreciable amount. After all, almost all the GA-6 polls favored Ossoff by 1-4%. He lost by 4%.
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Boon posted:Oh? Did Ij black out and the President dissolved Congress to hold elections Tuesday? I have no idea what you mean.
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enraged_camel posted:We have no hard evidence that the electorate is shifting by any appreciable amount. Georgia is a concern that needs to be examined post-mortum. But at the same time you had a shockingly competitive race in South Carolina that matches up with Montana and Kansas. And Trump remains about as popular as poison. And the AHCA has an approval rating of 16%.
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