UKMT General Elextravaganza 2017: Lord Buckethead would have won

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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is: This poll is closed.
Labour	907	49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative)	48	2.64%
Liberal Democrats	31	1.71%
UKIP	13	0.72%
Plaid Cymru	25	1.38%
Green	22	1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party	12	0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party	1	0.06%
Scottish National Party	59	3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist	4	0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian	3	0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist	36	1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots	35	1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash	8	0.44%
Monster Raving Loony	49	2.70%
Space Navies Party	39	2.15%
Independent / Single Issue	2	0.11%
Can't Vote	188	10.35%
Won't Vote	8	0.44%
Spoiled Ballot	15	0.83%
Pissflaps	312	17.17%
Total:	1817 votes

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pumpinglemma: Apr 28, 2009; DD: Fondly regard abomination.

Another issue is that the work is by necessity seasonal, so you need to combine it with another job, and in the middle of nowhere, so there aren't any other jobs to combine it with.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 12:43

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 18:50

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

pumpinglemma posted:

Another issue is that the work is by necessity seasonal, so you need to combine it with another job, and in the middle of nowhere, so there aren't any other jobs to combine it with.

Clearly it's Summer -> fruit picking, Autumn -> leaves sweeping, Winter -> snow shovelling, Spring -> ummmm, street wrestling for the locals' entertainment?

# ? Jun 23, 2017 12:45

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

u do planting in spring

e/ i think, I am not a horticulturalist

# ? Jun 23, 2017 12:46

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

It's meant to be leaf sweeping as the term, isn't it? But it makes me imagine trying to sweep away a single, giant leaf.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 12:46

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

JFairfax posted:

u do planting in spring

e/ i think, I am not a horticulturalist

r u the son of a horticulturalist

# ? Jun 23, 2017 12:47

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

VideoGames posted:

Here is a question for the thread (because I genuinely don't know), but is the only reason he is panicking because he hires cheap migrants who'll do terrible work for terrible pay and without them he'd have to hire people at proper wages which would eat into his profits?

I hate that the west exploits people desperate for a good standard of living and is this an example of the exploiters no longer being allowed to?

Crop-picking is notoriously exploitative, but the uncomfortable truth is that with all the worker protections in the world (which we should add anyway because Jesus loving Christ), it would still be best-suited to unskilled migrant work - it's seasonal, low-paid (even if it was a healthy living wage), and has zero barriers to entry, so it's an absolutely excellent idea if you just pop over for a few months, make some money, and then head back to somewhere with a lower cost of living before the bills start adding up (and, ideally, with the sort of climate that lets you pick over there until the British crops are ready again). Seasonal work is always way more appealing if you can skip the downsides.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 12:50

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

VideoGames posted:

Here is a question for the thread (because I genuinely don't know), but is the only reason he is panicking because he hires cheap migrants who'll do terrible work for terrible pay and without them he'd have to hire people at proper wages which would eat into his profits?

Well, there are a few things that could happen

The farmers pay workers more and maintain prices. Their margins - thin already on account of their goods being easily substituable for some other farmer's goods - get thinner, and some farms go bankrupt. The UK imports more food instead.
The farmers pay workers more and raise prices. The UK consumer buys more cheap foreign food instead, and some farms go bankrupt. The UK imports more food instead.
The farmers pay the workers the same and maintain prices. Some farms can't get any labour and go bankrupt. The UK imports more food instead.

Prices might rise a tiny bit from all these farms going bankrupt, but the UK contributes a tiddling amount of the global food supply so it won't change much.

Here's the thing: if you let goods enter your country freely but not workers, all the production ends up going to places with cheap workers. This is generally good for poor workers on a global scale (since it transports money from rich countries to poor countries), but generally bad for poor workers on a local scale.

We don't have any super-poor workers though so really the only people who are going to suffer are farmers and people who care about food security. Personally: gently caress 'em. The destruction of farm subsidies (both labour and outright) is going to be one bright star in the constellation of Brexit poo poo.

coffeetable fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Jun 23, 2017

# ? Jun 23, 2017 13:02

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Tesseraction posted:

To some extent, yeah, but Poland's proximity to Germany aided that.

First time in history that's been said referring to a positive outcome.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 13:02

VideoGames: Aug 18, 2003

the thread to me posted:

Really interesting points

If this is the case then that seems OK to me.
There's no mandate that things have to stay the same and all these people support the free market anyway, so if they cannot provide someone else will. If not, we will change society a little bit and hopefully get even better.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 13:08

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

JFairfax posted:

u do planting in spring

e/ i think, I am not a horticulturalist

You plant all year depending on crops.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 13:11

School Nickname: Apr 23, 2010; *fffffff-fffaaaaaaarrrtt*

VideoGames posted:

Here is a question for the thread (because I genuinely don't know), but is the only reason he is panicking because he hires cheap migrants who'll do terrible work for terrible pay and without them he'd have to hire people at proper wages which would eat into his profits?

Gnashing his teeth at the fact that his potential slave labour is stopped at Calais and can't swim the Channel to earn the privilege of picking his English produce.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 13:22

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

jBrereton posted:

You plant all year depending on crops.

Turnip and potato in spring, tomato and corn in summer, grass spring to fall, there's a gnome in the hollow tree that will give you the golden sickle.

Source: I am a real farmer.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 13:29

FishHead: Nov 3, 2004

I propose that our newly nominated ambassador is re-branded Dick�.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 13:33

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

We gave the world Boris as foreign minister, why wouldn't trump take the piss just out of reciprocal amusement?

# ? Jun 23, 2017 13:39

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

VideoGames posted:

If this is the case then that seems OK to me.
There's no mandate that things have to stay the same and all these people support the free market anyway, so if they cannot provide someone else will. If not, we will change society a little bit and hopefully get even better.

Problem is the two situations being offered are 'managed migration to meet the needs of local business (primarily skills not available locally but to lower wages where possible is also a need for them)' and 'selectively open borders which allow businesses to do that anyway but also allow more people to move for their own benefits like family or they like the weather there more'. The change isn't really guaranteed to improve anything for the locals but will harm people who want to do things for their own reasons.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 13:42

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Post-Brexit there will be plenty of British people grateful for that kind of farm work.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 13:49

dispatch_async: Nov 28, 2014; Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/22/how-did-2015-voters-cast-their-ballot-2017-general/

# ? Jun 23, 2017 13:53

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

XMNN posted:

the crash of the pound is also gonna make it more difficult to attract foreign workers as they're basically offering 80% or whatever of what they were paying last year

and there's no guarantee it won't fall further if eg we send a bunch of loving morons to negotiate brexit and they gently caress us even more than they already hosed us

fortunately there's no danger of that

sounds like someone doesn't believe in brexit

# ? Jun 23, 2017 13:59

Crankit: Feb 7, 2011; HE WATCHES

So there's no magic worker tree?

You'd expect a farmer of all people to know which trees are magic.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:00

waffle: May 12, 2001; HEH

dispatch_async posted:

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/22/how-did-2015-voters-cast-their-ballot-2017-general/

The fact that Lab net gained from the Tories is really interesting.

Also, after taking out the didn't votes from the 2015 voters, the Tories led in 2015 voters 42.5% to 37.9%. Given the actual result was Tory +2.3, that means non-2015 voters were worth +2.3 for Labour.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:00

Gorn Myson: Aug 8, 2007

Lord of the Llamas posted:

His wife hosed the right wing out of him. There were even rumours he would defect to Labour before he became speaker.

Not unheard of.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:01

Bobstar: Feb 8, 2006; KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

namesake posted:

Problem is the two situations being offered are 'managed migration to meet the needs of local business (primarily skills not available locally but to lower wages where possible is also a need for them)' and 'selectively open borders which allow businesses to do that anyway but also allow more people to move for their own benefits like family or they like the weather there more'. The change isn't really guaranteed to improve anything for the locals but will harm people who want to do things for their own reasons.

This is very true, and I'm not sure quite who the thumb people are trying to keep out, if taking their "coming over here" arguments at face value.

Another type of person, the useful smugiot, loves to point out that it's fine, you can just get a visa to work abroad "if you're in demand". One of the things I loved about moving to NL is that we could just rock up at the town hall and say "we're moving in, here are our passports", and we're not left with a sword hanging over us, only being allowed to remain as long as we have jobs or the government decide that they need to reduce immigrant numbers or something*. And this goes for everyone in the EU.

Now if there was a guaranteed complete stop to all EU migration in March 2019, at least that would be consistent. As it is, I think we're going to spend huge amounts of time, money, effort and government bandwidth to end up with something ridiculous that doesn't even keep the Brexit voters happy.

*Yes I'm aware that this is still a privileged position to be in. I would like to see everyone have the means to move around the socialist EU whenever they fancy. And then have free movement between the EU, the US, the communist union of Central and South America, and everywhere else.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:17

GEORGE W BUSHI: Jul 1, 2012

waffle posted:

The fact that Lab net gained from the Tories is really interesting.

hardly surprising considering that's what happened to the seats though? It was only the SNP being poo poo that kept them in power.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:19

waffle: May 12, 2001; HEH

Baron Corbyn posted:

hardly surprising considering that's what happened to the seats though? It was only the SNP being poo poo that kept them in power.

Well, I would've expected Labour won seats based on winning green + LD + non-voters, not on convincing ex-Tory voters, where in reality they did get more Tory voters than they lost to the Tories. Of course a huge part of the swing was the green+LD+nonvoter group, but it still seems significant because it means the platform appealed to some tories as well.

waffle fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Jun 23, 2017

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:21

Tenebrais: Sep 2, 2011

Also that the move away from neoliberalism hasn't generally made labour voters move to a party that stuck with it.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:28

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

waffle posted:

Well, I would've expected Labour won seats based on winning green + LD + non-voters, not on convincing ex-Tory voters, where in reality they did get more Tory voters than they lost to the Tories. Of course a huge part of the swing was the green+LD+nonvoter group, but it still seems significant because it means the platform appealed to some tories as well.

It would be great to know the details of those flippers from Tories; Remainers, children of the upper petit bourgeois?

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:28

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

i'm glad everyone is throwing the magic money tree back in the faces of tories and hope tories are doing it to whoever decided it was a good idea

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:30

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Tories die, they don't have to change their minds.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:31

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Jose posted:

i'm glad everyone is throwing the magic money tree back in the faces of tories and hope tories are doing it to whoever decided it was a good idea

It's a magic trolling tree.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:31

Paul.Power: Feb 7, 2009; The three roles of APCs:
Transports.
Supply trucks.
Distractions.

Anecdotal, but during the GOTV operation in Gower we ran into at least two Tories who switched to Labour purely on the back of the Tory plan to repeal the fox hunting ban.

Just generally, I suspect a few of them must have looked at the Tory manifesto and gone "too evil for my blood".

Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Jun 23, 2017

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:32

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

https://twitter.com/StefanLeifert/status/878163251804164096

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:34

Noxville: Dec 7, 2003

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/878240261121298432

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:36

a pipe smoking dog: Jan 25, 2010; "haha, dogs can't smoke!"

Paul.Power posted:

Anecdotal, but during the GOTV operation in Gower we ran into at least two Tories switched to Labour purely on the back of the Tory plan to repeal the fox hunting ban.

I thought that people might flip in Gower over that. There were occasional attempts to organise a hunt in south Gower but it just pissed a lot of people off because of all the disruption they cause.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:39

Vitamin P: Nov 19, 2013; Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

Paul.Power posted:

Anecdotal, but during the GOTV operation in Gower we ran into at least two Tories switched to Labour purely on the back of the Tory plan to repeal the fox hunting ban.

Canvassing London I met two tory voters switching because they thought Corbyn would be safer than the tories on brexit and 1 tory switching to help her daughter go to university.

But that was far outweighed by the people we had down as labour voters saying they wouldn't vote for Corbyn, even quite late in the campaign, so just based on my experience I'm surprised that we got a net swing from the tories.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:40

El Pollo Blanco: Jun 12, 2013; by sebmojo

Noxville posted:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/878240261121298432

What the hell is this?

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:41

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Noxville posted:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/878240261121298432

erm is she losing her goddamn mind?

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:41

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Noxville posted:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/878240261121298432

Obviously she saw Oborne on the tv last night, quite pissed (him and probably her too), and thought: That's the line to take!

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:41

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

I mean, technically accurate? But what kind of Brexit is rather the more important question.

Edit: pretty sure leaving the customs union (as opposed to the general notion of Brexit) wasn't in the Labour manifesto?

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:42

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Noxville posted:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/878240261121298432

Buh...wuh?!

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:42

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JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

https://twitter.com/BenRTWeisz/status/878195125360312321

I think this is his entrance music now, someone do the needfull with a WWE entrance plz

# ? Jun 23, 2017 14:46

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