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Ytlaya posted:Um, ThisIsWhyTrumpWon is kinda correct about that graph being disingenuous. If you want to make the point better, there's no reason not to just compare deaths caused by inadequate health care (since the whole health-related* reason lack of insurance is bad is that it results in people not getting care). It's mildly misleading, but that's a bit of a jump from calling "the biggest bullshit chart in the world."
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Mister Facetious posted:Bang, kill, marry
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Jun 23, 2017 02:23
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Got it, thanks all did my civic duty and voted
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Jun 23, 2017 02:45
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Digiwizzard posted:It's Bow, Kiss or Murder. Being the darling of the left, many posters in this thread would gladly kiss Tom Perez for the incredible service he has done getting the Democrats back into fighting shape. Kiss him like Michael kissed Fredo, yeah.
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Jun 23, 2017 05:13
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:BTW just personally I've watched my parents go from Clinton voters to full on right-wing Republicans in the last 6 years. They both have teacher's pensions that new teachers don't have access to, which is *delightful* and really sums it all up, don't you think? The US has a right-wing propaganda problem and until it is addressed nothing is ever going to get better.
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Jun 23, 2017 06:20
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Yeah, the faster Democratic Party leaders stop spreading GOP talking points, the better.
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Jun 23, 2017 06:38
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Paolomania posted:The US has a right-wing propaganda problem and until it is addressed nothing is ever going to get better. enough about CNN and Madow
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Jun 23, 2017 07:28
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Paolomania posted:The US has a right-wing propaganda problem and until it is addressed nothing is ever going to get better. The U.K. has an even bigger right-wing propaganda problem, but that didn't stop a certain Absolute Boy from pulling off the biggest electoral upset since 1945 while literally running on nationalizing the railroads.
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Nancy Pelosi gave an interview on Pod Save America earlier today and it's heartening that at least some of the leadership seem to get it. She went on to talk about how Hillary won when she talked about her economic policies and how Hillary lost when she made it all about Trump. For the healthcare fight she said democrats should push to expand the age covered by Medicare to 55 and up and allow other Americans to buy into it as a public option. Furthermore Pelosi claimed she was for the states taking the baseline of the new federal public option and experimenting with single payer. Do you think this is a sign the establishment realized they can't run the same old "Trump Bad" campaign after Ossof?
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Jun 23, 2017 09:50
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Yadoppsi posted:Nancy Pelosi gave an interview on Pod Save America earlier today and it's heartening that at least some of the leadership seem to get it. She went on to talk about how Hillary won when she talked about her economic policies and how Hillary lost when she made it all about Trump. You can tell she's saying all this reluctantly. Pelosi and Schumer need to be removed from office. They are both full of poo poo and up to their eyeballs in big pharma & United Health buyouts.
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RedSpider posted:You can tell she's saying all this reluctantly. Pelosi and Schumer need to be removed from office. They are both full of poo poo and up to their eyeballs in big pharma & United Health buyouts. That's because you need money and connections to stay afloat in the deep state swamp.
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No you really don't. Yadoppsi posted:Nancy Pelosi gave an interview on Pod Save America earlier today and it's heartening that at least some of the leadership seem to get it. She went on to talk about how Hillary won when she talked about her economic policies and how Hillary lost when she made it all about Trump. Pelosi and most of the old guard Democrats need to leave now. You have no reason to be encouraged by her tepid support of incremental health care reform.
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The Kingfish posted:No you really don't.
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Jun 23, 2017 13:09
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If her constituents like her how are you going to get them to vote her out? If that's not what you are suggesting should happen, what is?
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Yadoppsi posted:Nancy Pelosi gave an interview on Pod Save America earlier today and it's heartening that at least some of the leadership seem to get it. She went on to talk about how Hillary won when she talked about her economic policies and how Hillary lost when she made it all about Trump. Pelosi repeated and slurred word like the stupid old fool she is. Hillary lost when her annurism kicked in, stumbled and had to be put in the van like the dead piece of meat she is. The whole world got to she her "perfect" health. Yadoppsi posted:For the healthcare fight she said democrats should push to expand the age covered by Medicare to 55 and up and allow other Americans to buy into it as a public option. Furthermore Pelosi claimed she was for the states taking the baseline of the new federal public option and experimenting with single payer. The country already has a hundred trillion in unfunded liability. You want to see the country go like Illinois is? Yadoppsi posted:Do you think this is a sign the establishment realized they can't run the same old "Trump Bad" campaign after Ossof? The Dems are living in a alternate reality where they still thing they are relevant. Like Trump said, he doesn't want Pelosi to quit. She's a gigt the keeps on giving. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Cerebral Bore posted:The U.K. has an even bigger right-wing propaganda problem, but that didn't stop a certain Absolute Boy from pulling off the biggest electoral upset since 1945 while literally running on nationalizing the railroads. Let's not confuse rallying the resistance to prevent a rout with holding the reins and forming a government.
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Lapua posted:The Dems are living in a alternate reality where they still thing they are relevant. Like Trump said, he doesn't want Pelosi to quit. She's a gigt the keeps on giving. We should definitely plan party strategy around Trump tweets.
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Nevvy Z posted:If her constituents like her how are you going to get them to vote her out? If that's not what you are suggesting should happen, what is? She doesn't have to stay as Speaker just because she gets voted back in, we can pick a new one.
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WampaLord posted:She doesn't have to stay as Speaker just because she gets voted back in, we can pick a new one. And what difference will that make?
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Avirosb posted:And what difference will that make? It would show the Dems are interested in preparing for the future and that they're willing to try something different for once.
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Avirosb posted:And what difference will that make? not having an anti-singlepayer speaker would be good. pelosi is too two-faced wrt to singlepayer. she says she doesn't want to try it at the federal level till she sees it working at the state level, then works to make sure singlepayer plans can't pass at the state level either
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Jun 23, 2017 15:01
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Lapua posted:The country already has a hundred trillion in unfunded liability. You want to see the country go like Illinois is? Actually if things keep going how they are we over thousands and millions of years into eternity have to spend an infinite amount of money on people. How the hell are we going to do that? 
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Jun 23, 2017 15:03
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WampaLord posted:It would show the Dems are interested in preparing for the future and that they're willing to try something different for once. But but who’s gonna be able to whip like her?
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gohmak posted:But but who’s gonna be able to whip like her? When the caucus is irrelevant, so to is the ability to whip it.
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Glazier posted:When the caucus is irrelevant, so to is the ability to whip it. holding the line with respect to providing Democratic votes for any compromise with the Republican agenda matters when the Republican caucus is as fractious as it is
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Avirosb posted:Then why do third parties struggle so with gaining acceptance and support? Show me a current third party in the United States that isn't run by a literal crazy person. Even if you didn't have a FPTP system, the third party choices are really loving terrible. You have the anti-nuclear, anti-vaxx, economically illiterate Greens, and then you have a literal boot-for-a-hat Vermin Supreme Libertarian Party. Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Mister Facetious posted:Show me a current third party in the United States that isn't run by a literal crazy person. I thought Vermin Supreme was more like the UKs monster raving looney party - I remember him pledging free ponies for all so they could turn pony poo poo into methane gas. Is he libertarian? Cos thats way less fun.
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Avirosb posted:Then why do third parties struggle so with gaining acceptance and support? Because the two parties have colluded on ballot access and debate stage rules to suppress those views.
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Mister Facetious posted:Show me a current third party in the United States that isn't run by a literal crazy person. What about the Party for Socialism and Liberation?
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Tesseraction posted:What about the Party for Socialism and Liberation? Who?
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Mister Facetious posted:Show me a current third party in the United States that isn't run by a literal crazy person. http://www.justicepartyusa.org/
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Tesseraction posted:What about the Party for Socialism and Liberation? Admit it; you had to look it up to know it existed. 
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Jun 23, 2017 16:34
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The actual socialist party in the United States. Funnily enough they poll absolute dogshit because America is bad to good people and good to bad people.
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Jun 23, 2017 16:35
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Mister Facetious posted:Admit it; you had to look it up to know a third third party even existed. I voted PSL in the election
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Mister Facetious posted:Admit it; you had to look it up to know a third third party even existed. Nah, PSL aren't that unknown. They got *coughs embarrassedly* 70,000 votes in November!
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Tesseraction posted:Nah, PSL aren't that unknown. They got *coughs embarrassedly* 70,000 votes in November! That's only ten thousand less than the three combined ridings of my city!  It's too bad the large/remaining unions won't simply give the finger to the Democratic party and publicly endorse a third party. That'd make for some interesting press, at least. Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Jun 23, 2017 16:50
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Only the Fire Brigades Union broke with the British Labour Party over New Labour. And they rejoined after The Absolute Boy Jeremy "Jam Stalin" Corbyn became leader.
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Mister Facetious posted:That's only ten thousand less than the three combined ridings of my city! that nurses union is pretty rebellious. it's weird seeing dems calling unions (and nurses) evil
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