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Worshiping the Twelve is only fine because they're plainly fake as all hell.
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So this idea that the Garleans attacked Eorzea because of the powerful primals, did I make that up, did I dream it? Maybe it was just one particular Count, like von Baelsar, who I heard in the main story, I heard, or I dreamt, I heard that they attacked with extra force *because* they were worried about too many primals. Is that a part of the story? That some Garlean person sent the meteor specifically because he was worried about too many primals? Or am I misremembering?
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Jun 24, 2017 04:37
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Jun 24, 2017 04:41
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Cool Bear posted:So this idea that the Garleans attacked Eorzea because of the powerful primals, did I make that up, did I dream it? Maybe it was just one particular Count, like von Baelsar, who I heard in the main story, I heard, or I dreamt, I heard that they attacked with extra force *because* they were worried about too many primals. You made it up. Primals weren't being summoned until the Empire attacked and Midgardsomr dunked their flagship into silvertear lake. Baelsar hates primals, but the rest of the empire doesn't seem too interested in eliminating them, and in some cases are researching how to control or harness them. The Garlean who summoned meteor was researching it and got semi-tempered by Bahamut to bring it down and ruin everyone. That this happened slightly after their initial assault doesn't depend much on the existence of the beast tribe primals.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:43
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Cool Bear posted:So this idea that the Garleans attacked Eorzea because of the powerful primals, did I make that up, did I dream it? Maybe it was just one particular Count, like von Baelsar, who I heard in the main story, I heard, or I dreamt, I heard that they attacked with extra force *because* they were worried about too many primals. little of column a, little of column b. Garleans were the laughing stock of Eorzea because they had no magical power, no aetherical connection. Building magitek was their way of becoming great, and they didn't forget about getting picked on, so they went and conquered everything in revenge. also, the empire is loving big and failing at this point. it spans an entire continent and it's still trying to expand and subjugate entire kingdoms while all its rulers become psychopaths like every evil kingdom does before collapsing; of course it's lost sight of its own goals and missions and the left hand's never aware of what the right hand's doing.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:44
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The game isn't necessarily anti-faith, but is definitely anti-extremism. Someone wanting to undermine religious study in Ishgard was a villain (even if he was previously a sympathetic victim himself) in a lengthy questline, after all.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:48
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Minrad posted:little of column a, little of column b. Garleans were the laughing stock of Eorzea because they had no magical power, no aetherical connection. Building magitek was their way of becoming great, and they didn't forget about getting picked on, so they went and conquered everything in revenge. Garlemald isn't anywhere near Eorzea, but they were the laughingstock in the region of their homeland for those reasons. Conquering Eorzea was just another notch to add. First Emperor of Garlemald was getting old, so may as well add more to the list of his accomplishments. Eorzea was to be another of the grand achievements under his reign, but then that went pear-shaped. It would remain a blemish on his record which is partly why Project Meteor was given support. No need to build more airships or lose more armies if they just destroyed Eorzea.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:49
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My understanding was that primals did exist before the invasion, but their summoning was very rare and extremely difficult. Until Silvertear blew up and released so much aether that that now individuals can even summon them accidentally.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:51
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Gruckles posted:My understanding was that primals did exist before the invasion, but their summoning was very rare and extremely difficult. Until Silvertear blew up and released so much aether that that now individuals can even summon them accidentally. If anyone really wanted to draw an analogy to real life events, groups embracing self-destructive religious extremism as a reaction to imperial encroachments seems more fruitful than dragon god = atom bomb.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:54
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Sinteres posted:The game isn't necessarily anti-faith, but is definitely anti-extremism. Someone wanting to undermine religious study in Ishgard was a villain (even if he was previously a sympathetic victim himself) in a lengthy questline, after all. What questline is this?
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Jun 24, 2017 04:55
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Argas posted:Garlemald isn't anywhere near Eorzea, but they were the laughingstock in the region of their homeland for those reasons. Conquering Eorzea was just another notch to add. First Emperor of Garlemald was getting old, so may as well add more to the list of his accomplishments. Eorzea was to be another of the grand achievements under his reign, but then that went pear-shaped. It would remain a blemish on his record which is partly why Project Meteor was given support. No need to build more airships or lose more armies if they just destroyed Eorzea. Right, yeah. I keep forgetting it's actually three? distinct continents since we can't actually see the true borders of the game world yet thanks to loving CLOUDS  (plus at least two known continents to the north/south)
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Jun 24, 2017 04:56
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SKULL.GIF posted:What questline is this? It's the Scholasticate questline.
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Minrad posted:Right, yeah. I keep forgetting it's actually three? distinct continents since we can't actually see the true borders of the game world yet thanks to loving CLOUDS Yeah it's basically one big super continent, much like Africa, Europe, and Asia. Eorzea is Africa in this analogy.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:59
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Brother Entropy posted:not every powerful magic thing is an atomic bomb No, but any time a powerful magic thing is used as a tool to attain global power, to destroy cities/nations or to destroy a hated enemy regardless of the cost, it usually is
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Jun 24, 2017 05:00
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Everything is an atomic bomb when you think about it
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Jun 24, 2017 05:02
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UHD posted:Everything is an atomic bomb when you think about it Your body is made of atoms.
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Jun 24, 2017 05:04
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Defiance Industries posted:No, but any time a powerful magic thing is used as a tool to attain global power, to destroy cities/nations or to destroy a hated enemy regardless of the cost, it usually is nah see the thing about most final fantasy things of the kind that you're describing is that they're almost always super ancient and lost from common knowledge and imo anything trying to evoke the atomic bomb should be about a new horror sprouting from modern society's constant need for progress
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Jun 24, 2017 05:13
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So... the Warrior of Light is an atom bomb?
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Jun 24, 2017 05:26
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Garlemald is Persia, not WW2 Japan
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Jun 24, 2017 05:29
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Coughing Hobo posted:So... the Warrior of Light is an atom bomb? no see, the atom bomb is cruel and uncaring and brings only destruction to whatever the guys in charge point to hey wait a sec
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Jun 24, 2017 05:32
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Well, poo poo, now I have to level Machinist. I don't even know what it plays like beyond "do flips and things explode."
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Jun 24, 2017 05:34
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Brother Entropy posted:nah The atom bomb is fueled by one of the fundamental forces of all existence being harnessed for destruction. Any time that the crystals or crystal-adjacent things (like Magicite or the summon stones from FF9) are weaponized you're doing the same thing, turning a building block of the world into a weapon.
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Jun 24, 2017 05:43
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Midnightghoul posted:Think I am done with MCN. I picked the job to be a patient marksman, not flip around and fire lasers and do exploding dabs like some millennial Millennials FTW.
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Jun 24, 2017 05:44
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This is the game series where the most powerful spell in the very first game was NUKE.
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Jun 24, 2017 05:44
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reading on reddit rn that fell cleave out of berserk is a dps loss, lmao
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Jun 24, 2017 06:07
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back at it again at krispy kreame
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Jun 24, 2017 06:29
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Did Susano EX with some pubs and there were two other red mages in the party and yet I was still the only person who ever used addle, mana shift, or revive. And still managed to pull 3200 dps. How are people this incompetent, part of why I love RDM is I can do all this utility poo poo without missing a beat at all damage wise.
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Jun 24, 2017 06:34
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Harrow posted:Well, poo poo, now I have to level Machinist. Deploy turrets, use them as explosives after a bit. Shoot gun until your special barrel hits 50, become Neo and also deploy tiny satellites when you shoot the gun. Hit 70 get the Flamethrower go nuts now that you have a way to get to 50 Heat that doesn't involve Barrel Stabilizer being off cooldown/spamming Hot Shot. Reload so you never hit 100 heat and Cooldown when above 75 heat.
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Jun 24, 2017 06:37
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:You made it up. Primals weren't being summoned until the Empire attacked and Midgardsomr dunked their flagship into silvertear lake. Baelsar hates primals, but the rest of the empire doesn't seem too interested in eliminating them, and in some cases are researching how to control or harness them. Also there literally wasn't as much aether/ambient magic kicking around until Midgardsomr crashed the Dreadnaught into Silver Tear Falls because it blowing up broke the seal on Momma Crystal and all of the sudden Echo users were everywhere and magic was flowing out super hard (It's kind of why all the ancient and seal magical things are all kind of slowly unsealing themselves/popping off now). That plus the Ascians goading the beast tribes about the Garleans' invasion lead to the beastmen resorting to summoning their gods.
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Jun 24, 2017 06:56
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I've been playing DRK a little bit it more and discovered that syphon strike (or whatever the 2nd in the dps combo) consumes dark arts. Why? In grit it looks almost mop neutral so I guess you can DA both SS and soul eater?
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Jun 24, 2017 07:24
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Did Susano EX with some pubs and there were two other red mages in the party and yet I was still the only person who ever used addle, mana shift, or revive. I did Bardum's 'cos I'm only level 67 with another Red Mage and he never once used Scatter spam for AOE or Enhanced Moulinet and he still won the god-drat sword drop argh Ban all bads ~level 67 Story stuff: It's all well and good sending important files via snail mail from Ala Mhigo to Kugane but why didn't they just ask me, the teleporting Warrior of Light, to pick it up and deliver it within 5 minutes? Josuke Higashikata fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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Jun 24, 2017 07:38
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Have you SEEN the cost of teleporting between Eorzea and Othard recently? It's a bloody disgrace, is what it is
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Jun 24, 2017 07:46
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I can't loving believe right as you're about to actually fight Nidhogg with Answers going in the background...they make you wait 30 minutes for a queue! This fight better be as good as Thordan. At least i've got some good music to listen to while i wait i suppose 
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Jun 24, 2017 07:55
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Minrad posted:little of column a, little of column b. Garleans were the laughing stock of Eorzea because they had no magical power, no aetherical connection. Building magitek was their way of becoming great, and they didn't forget about getting picked on, so they went and conquered everything in revenge. The Encyclopedia Eorzea presents a another reason as to why. The short answer is Garlemand the actual land where they come from sucks and Eorzea is a paradise by comparison. The long answer is although their natural home region is very abundent in ceruleam, there's bugger all else there in terms of farm lands or grazing grounds, and the region is beset by tornado's and other extreme weather conditions. And then Eorzea is this beautiful fertile landscape with food everywhere and natural resources in huge quantities and the worst the weather gets is occasional thunderstorms. So of course they want that poo poo for themselves. TheNabster fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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Jun 24, 2017 08:03
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:I can't loving believe right as you're about to actually fight Nidhogg with Answers going in the background...they make you wait 30 minutes for a queue! This fight better be as good as Thordan. Isn't that Dragonsong?
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Jun 24, 2017 08:05
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hobbesmaster posted:I've been playing DRK a little bit it more and discovered that syphon strike (or whatever the 2nd in the dps combo) consumes dark arts. Why? In grit it looks almost mop neutral so I guess you can DA both SS and soul eater? Its part of the change to dark. You should be using DA on as many syphon strikes AND souleaters as possible.
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Jun 24, 2017 08:11
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TheNabster posted:The Encyclopedia Eorzea presents a another reason as to why. This is directly explained in the SB MSQ too.
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Jun 24, 2017 08:27
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pissdude posted:no reason to get those either with pvp/palace/sb items What else exactly are you gonna do with those poetics? Upgraded Shire gear can functionally carry you to 67, might as well.
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Jun 24, 2017 08:35
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Captain Oblivious posted:What else exactly are you gonna do with those poetics? Upgraded Shire gear can functionally carry you to 67, might as well. Upgraded shire gear is obsolete by level 64, and is showing its age by the 65 dungeon especially with the extreme defense bloat we're seeing. By the time you get tomestone gear it has literally over double the defense stats as upgraded shire. May as well get it anyway so you can replace it by running the level 65 dungeon though.
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bought ffxiv, excited to try it, sure wish excalibur would open
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