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Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK18KJciHlU&t=18m20s

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No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004


oh my gooooooood

AbstractNapper
Jun 5, 2011

I can help
For a thing that they update on weekly basis, they sure waited until the Avocados date had passed to announce an up to a month delay. It's almost as if there is zero thought put into their estimates and the regular updates are just another marketing trick.

Also, a month delay, for the early testing of a pre-alpha build.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
"It's like I'm making nothing at all... Nothing At All... NOTHING AT ALL!" -Stupid sexy Croberts

Thoatse
Feb 29, 2016

Lol said the scorpion, lmao

Jobbo_Fett posted:

"It's like I'm making nothing at all... Nothing At All... NOTHING AT ALL!" -Stupid sexy Donnel

Warhawk109
Mar 13, 2017

Damnit, now I have the urge to play TIE Fighter.

boviscopophobic
Feb 5, 2016



AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer
https://clips.twitch.tv/QuaintTolerantPresidentHassanChop



https://clips.twitch.tv/GlutenFreeAverageTeaOneHand

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

The commercial for the Nox is so sexy that it convinced everybody to get one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFjq3VrLYDw

crisp roberts
Oct 13, 2016
I think star citizen: the video game is right on track. Cant wait for 4.0

his nibs
Feb 27, 2016

:kayak:Welcome to the:kayak:
Dream Factory
:kayak:
Grimey Drawer

crisp roberts posted:

I think star citizen: the video game is right on track. Cant wait for 4.0

FINALLY a voice of reason

Sillybones
Aug 10, 2013

go away,
spooky skeleton,
go away
Is 3.0 actually the old 2.6? Or is it not even up to what was promised there. I can't remember all these numbers because their meaning changes daily. I can at least know that bigger numbers have less in them than smaller numbers.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Sappo569 posted:

I have a team of highly trained moose that pull me

Just watch out for German auditors. Sweden occasionally has problems with Germans coming here as tourists and stealing the moose warning road signs, to the point where fake signs are sold at certain tourist shops just to keep them from taking the real ones.

D_Smart posted:

Catte tax while we wait for the new shedool!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XW-XdDe6j0

This is good. I wonder... if he can make a rusty knife that sharp, is there a way to make a rusty Roberts sharp enough to realize what he's doing?

Nah, probably not

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016

No Mods No Masters posted:

oh my gooooooood

STAR. CITIZEN. :catstare: :colbert:

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

Quavers posted:

:toot: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/schedule-report

Evocati start window pushed back to 7th-20th July.

So 20th July.

Until the next delay.

:laffo:

LOL!! Totally called it!

http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg1728#msg1728

quote:

**BREAKING*** two sources have now confirmed that 3.0 is such a technological nightmare, and performance hog, that nobody knows how they are going to end up releasing it within the current time frame; let alone for GamesCom.

Croberts working on his new justification speech (aka newsletter), in which he may have no choice but to admit that the switch to LY hasn't been as straightforward (gee, who knew!?) as they made it out to be - seven months ago.

It's amazing to me that since July 2015, I've been right about so many things, that those guys don't even bother recapping them anymore. This despite the fact that I document them religiously in my blogs and forum posts - for a reason.

All that aside, the primary claim that "they can't build the game as pitched" and which everyone was saying that I was wrong about, remains true.

Ignoring the $150m (they were at $85, and have since passed this) + proper engine (they switched to the more advanced LY) that I said they would need to pull it off.

Recently (well, before GamesCom 2016), I said that they simply didn't have the tech to do procedurally generated planets, that the pitched 3.0 was bullshit dipped in Ether. Less than 6 months later, 3.0 has been significantly scaled back. And has moons - in a level - instead of procedural planets (shown in an elaborate R&D video showcase posing as in-game).

I have no doubt that they will probably release something called 3.0, then continue to update it. They did the same thing with 2.0. Right up to 2.6.x

ps: There is another JPEG sale tomorrow June 23rd. So they're probably going to lie in tomorrow's 3.0 schedule update, then update it again the following week with the proper data.

http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg1714#msg1714

quote:

But 3.0 is on the way. The Evocati "aim" date, as per last week's schedule update, is 06-21-17 to 07-05-17. We know that's probably not going to happen. And when it eventually drops, we'll see what the performance is like.

Last week Evocati was 06/21/17 to 07-05-17. This week it's 07/07/17 - 07/20/17

D_Smart fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Jun 24, 2017

shrach
Jan 10, 2004

daylight ssssaving time
So it seems they ran out of money. But there is a good news. CIG uk has taken out a (presumably) big old loan, which you can take a look at on their filing. They have split the terms with F42 so you can read it in their filing too. The collateral for the loan? Everything. All game rights, recordings they've made including music, future tax credits, any insurance policies they've taken out. Any agreements they've made with anyone else (sponsors, membership fees). It's section 4 / 5.

It doesn't list the amount of the loan but I would assume with that security it is a substantial one.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08815227/filing-history
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08703814/filing-history

shrach fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Jun 24, 2017

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



shrach posted:

So it seems they ran out of money. But there is a good news. CIG uk has taken out a (presumably) big old loan, which you can take a look at on their filing. They have split the terms with F42 so you can read it in their filing too. The collateral for the loan? Everything. All game rights, recordings they've made including music, future tax credits, any insurance policies they've taken out. Any agreements they've made with anyone else (sponsors, membership fees). It's section 4 / 5.

It doesn't list the amount of the loan but I would assume with that security it is a substantial one.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08815227/filing-history
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08703814/filing-history

Oh dear, time for a sale, I think!

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Will the loan show up when they have to publish their books? Funny they take the loan a week after publishing their books, even if it was for 2016s year.

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

shrach posted:

So it seems they ran out of money. But there is a good news. CIG uk has taken out a (presumably) big old loan, which you can take a look at on their filing. They have split the terms with F42 so you can read it in their filing too. The collateral for the loan? Everything. All game rights, recordings they've made including music, future tax credits, any insurance policies they've taken out. Any agreements they've made with anyone else (sponsors, membership fees). It's section 4 / 5.

It doesn't list the amount of the loan but I would assume with that security it is a substantial one.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08815227/filing-history
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08703814/filing-history

Yup. I was messaged that last night, and just saw the message. Going to look into it closely in a bit.

This completely confirms what sources recently told me, and which I recently reported.

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Will the loan show up when they have to publish their books? Funny they take the loan a week after publishing their books, even if it was for 2016s year.

Yeah, it will.

As to disclosure, remember when I wrote this on June 12th?

http://dereksmart.com/forums/topic/sc-scoop/#post-5325

Excerpt:

quote:

Section 19 is very curious. Due to the huge restated amount of £2.4m ($3.0m) from 2015, it reads like the sort of thing that would result from either a govt audit, or them just cleaning up their books in order to pass any due diligence muster.  Also, as they’re now taking tax credits, it makes sense that these sort of numbers should be devoid of any such discrepancies, or they would also be in some serious problems with the govt. If you look at the chart from the previous analysis, with these restated numbers, it is now also clear that though the company doesn’t sell anything, they’re using money received from the parent (the backer piggy bank) company, as their income/turnover cash flow.




D_Smart fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Jun 24, 2017

shrach
Jan 10, 2004

daylight ssssaving time

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Will the loan show up when they have to publish their books? Funny they take the loan a week after publishing their books, even if it was for 2016s year.

It would show the amount if it were taken out in the year of the accounts (Next CIG accounts are for the year ending 31 December 2016). Something this substantial when there was already a disclaimer in the CIG accounts for going concern may put a note in as a post balance sheet event. Would be some note saying something like, "after the year end the company ran out of cash but is still a going concern because it secured a long term loan". The amounts probably wouldn't be disclosed until they are in the relevant accounting period.

Also to answer the obvious question. Coutts & Co were the bank. Coutts is owned by RBS. RBS is owned 73% by the UK Government.

his nibs
Feb 27, 2016

:kayak:Welcome to the:kayak:
Dream Factory
:kayak:
Grimey Drawer

shrach posted:

So it seems they ran out of money. But there is a good news. CIG uk has taken out a (presumably) big old loan, which you can take a look at on their filing. They have split the terms with F42 so you can read it in their filing too. The collateral for the loan? Everything. All game rights, recordings they've made including music, future tax credits, any insurance policies they've taken out. Any agreements they've made with anyone else (sponsors, membership fees). It's section 4 / 5.

It doesn't list the amount of the loan but I would assume with that security it is a substantial one.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08815227/filing-history
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08703814/filing-history

I think you'll find this is good for Star Citizen

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

lol

has reddit handwaved this yet? "The bank just wants to be a part of gaming history so they gave chris a shitload of cash, no strings attached"

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



It's just the bank Amazon uses in the UK obv

Virtual Captain
Feb 20, 2017

Archive Priest of the Stimperial Order

Star Citizen Good, in all things forevermore. Amen.
:pray:
This might be a stretch for all you zealots in the thread but I think CIG might be having cashflow problems.

shrach posted:

Also to answer the obvious question. Coutts & Co were the bank. Coutts is owned by RBS. RBS is owned 73% by the UK Government.

Star Citizen: State Sponsored

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Squadron 38

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon
This is just too good.

Maw
Feb 18, 2013

Mere minutes after discovering the new technology, it was used to send me a crude ASCII dong.


Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

This is just too good.

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

This is just too good.

bbchops
Jul 26, 2001

Ho ho ho! I'll have the same again!
Nap Ghost

shrach posted:


Also to answer the obvious question. Coutts & Co were the bank. Coutts is owned by RBS. RBS is owned 73% by the UK Government.

Also known as the Queen's bank!

MedicineHut
Feb 25, 2016

lol, come on, there got to be a way to find out the amount!

his nibs
Feb 27, 2016

:kayak:Welcome to the:kayak:
Dream Factory
:kayak:
Grimey Drawer

big nipples big life posted:

lol

has reddit handwaved this yet? "The bank just wants to be a part of gaming history so they gave chris a shitload of cash, no strings attached"

Cue spite buying pledging

Breetai
Nov 6, 2005

🥄Mah spoon is too big!🍌
This is legitimately the biggest blow to SC since the evaporation of SQ42 prelude's release last year and the Spectrum-focussed convention.

'We absolutely have enough money to finish the game as promised' vs. using the entire loving thing as collateral?

The only question is what stupid fuckwit decided to actually grant the loan on those terms.

tooterfish
Jul 13, 2013

Gradis posted:

Really? drat who is making that?
BBC.

They're filming it now, it'll be shown in 2018.

Sillybones posted:

Is 3.0 actually the old 2.6? Or is it not even up to what was promised there. I can't remember all these numbers because their meaning changes daily. I can at least know that bigger numbers have less in them than smaller numbers.
It's fairly simple, let me explain.

2.7 was delayed forever. So they rolled 2.7 into the 3.0 update. 3.0 has a YUGE list of features, so made a convenient excuse for the delays and mollified the backers idiots.

Fast forward a year. 3.0 has been delayed forever. So they're cutting the YUGE list of features to the bone to get it out "early" (it's still 6 months late by their own hosed up schedule).

So, what the backers are actually getting in 3.0 is a rebranded 2.7 that's well over a year late at this point.

It's a massive and not particularly subtle shell game.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





reddit scheduler science man, 18 days ago:

"There's a one in three chance that 3.0 will be delayed past July 20th."

reddit scheduler science man, today:

"Minimum Disappointment" release window:
if CIG cuts features: Aug 4 - 10 (originally July 14 - Aug 28)
no cuts: Aug 4 - 16 (originally Jul 26 - Sep 13)"

lol

MedicineHut
Feb 25, 2016

Breetai posted:

This is legitimately the biggest blow to SC since the evaporation of SQ42 prelude's release last year and the Spectrum-focussed convention.

'We absolutely have enough money to finish the game as promised' vs. using the entire loving thing as collateral?

The only question is what stupid fuckwit decided to actually grant the loan on those terms.

The level of fuckwitery is going to vary depending on the actual loan amount, repayment conditions and actual real cash flows that may have been demonstrated to the "Chargee".

Virtual Captain
Feb 20, 2017

Archive Priest of the Stimperial Order

Star Citizen Good, in all things forevermore. Amen.
:pray:
Some old favorites:

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

I wonder how many staunch CIGologists are already mentally preparing how to dish out blame when the ship sinks

I know I'm mentally preparing to take credit for all of it if need be :patriot:

AP posted:

Star Citizen is the funniest poo poo ever.

It's a $130 million train wreck happening in slow motion and the first class passengers are resisting all attempts at a rescue. "I'm telling you I'm fine, I'm positive the train driver knows what he's doing". *clank, crash, bump bump* "see it's fine, we didn't derail completely that time either".

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

To bank with Coutts you must have at least £1,000,000 in tangible assets and in any event they are selective about their clientele; which implies CIG is doing well.


It is a good sign. They wont get a loan if they were in bad shape.

BeigeJacket
Jul 21, 2005

I went to Coutts office once to deliver some Cisco kit.

Well that's my story thanks for reading peace glory to stimpire

his nibs
Feb 27, 2016

:kayak:Welcome to the:kayak:
Dream Factory
:kayak:
Grimey Drawer


Needs Crobber's head

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Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

One guy is already trying to rules lawyer it off the subreddit

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