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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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I think there's a lot of value in us staying in the EU for the EU - we're a big economy, significant on the world stage, have significant cultural output worldwide, have  nuclear weapons , and also just not losing a big player in the EU will help maintain its stability.If Corbae is good, he could even finagle some better workers protections/rights from the EU whilst staying in. "This whole leaving thing will be a massive loving ballache for everyone lads. If we can get some eu worker rights changes I can go to the electorate happy and push for another referendum for us to stay". He's already seen as being eurosceptic despite campaigning for remain, so it wouldn't ring false for him to have a change of heart (especially given how awful the whole thing will look a few months down the line)...and a public figure changing his mind might give legitimacy to other (quiet bat/thumb) people doing the same.
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Jun 25, 2017 07:01
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winegums posted:I think there's a lot of value in us staying in the EU for the EU - we're a big economy, significant on the world stage, have significant cultural output worldwide, have yeah i think the EU has a natural interest in maintaining the integrity of the union if the UK says "michel, i've made a huge mistake." but at the same time they were totally willing to brutally murder their southern states in the name of ordoliberalism. it could easily come down to their feelings about the person across the table at that moment.
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Jun 25, 2017 07:15
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Doesn't the UK being in the EU hold up a bunch of tighter integrations that Germany and France want to push? I'm not wording this properly, and I'm not a European, but I remember reading articles talking about the positives of Brexit from the European perspective and one of them had to do with ?tighter Military and Foreign Affairs integrations? (among other things) of the kind the "consensus" was the UK would never ever agree to.
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Jun 25, 2017 07:23
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Antares posted:yeah i think the EU has a natural interest in maintaining the integrity of the union if the UK says "michel, i've made a huge mistake." but at the same time they were totally willing to brutally murder their southern states in the name of ordoliberalism. it could easily come down to their feelings about the person across the table at that moment. On one hand you have a point, on the other hand they gleefully ripped apart Greece with their bare teeth and showed the chewed remains to every uneasy EU member for seemingly no reason, so I'm not so sure they'd go for the sensible choice.
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Jun 25, 2017 07:27
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JFairfax posted:Immortal Technique is def a conspiracy theory crank https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hUPdkxsOV8
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Jun 25, 2017 07:30
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Antares posted:yeah i think the EU has a natural interest in maintaining the integrity of the union if the UK says "michel, i've made a huge mistake." but at the same time they were totally willing to brutally murder their southern states in the name of ordoliberalism. it could easily come down to their feelings about the person across the table at that moment. Point is they need those southern states to sign off on any reversal deal, by the looks of things. So they get to make their own reform demands - and it's in the EU's interests to keep its members happy and fix those issues that threaten to drive them to leave Things aren't going to go on as they are - I really can't see the UK going 'actually let's pretend this never happened' and every other member state going 'ok sure, you can keep your special status and rebates and opt-outs!' out of sheer generosity. There'll have to be a shift into something every state is happy to be a part of - well, meaningful improvements, at least
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Jun 25, 2017 07:30
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Mister Adequate posted:
OwlFancier posted:Well, I mean, if I come out and say all that I'll rightly be identified as a shut in with no friends. I disagree. I may not enjoy larger music gigs but I think there is really something to be said for going and listening to music in interesting venues. One of my best experiences was going to hear a Norwegian folk band play in a church. It was only lit by candles and the music had a lot of very personal touches.
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Jun 25, 2017 07:44
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baka kaba posted:Point is they need those southern states to sign off on any reversal deal, by the looks of things. So they get to make their own reform demands - and it's in the EU's interests to keep its members happy and fix those issues that threaten to drive them to leave someone absolutely gets hosed to some degree and it's going to be whoever is the UK head of government
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Jun 25, 2017 07:45
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From last night, but on the whole socially conscious hip hop thing, my favourite artist is probably P.O.S, anarchist rapper from Minnesota, one of the founders of hip hop co-op Doomtree. https://youtu.be/hNN6Je7XN9U
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Jun 25, 2017 07:46
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Jun 25, 2017 07:48
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baka kaba posted:Point is they need those southern states to sign off on any reversal deal, by the looks of things. So they get to make their own reform demands - and it's in the EU's interests to keep its members happy and fix those issues that threaten to drive them to leave
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Jun 25, 2017 08:09
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That cladding then eh
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Jun 25, 2017 08:09
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PS Schengen is probably dead in Europe within a few years and will be instantly erased from institutional memory as the new laws become The Ancient And Unbreakable Laws of Europe like with everything else with the Union.
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Jun 25, 2017 08:11
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baka kaba posted:Point is they need those southern states to sign off on any reversal deal, by the looks of things. So they get to make their own reform demands - and it's in the EU's interests to keep its members happy and fix those issues that threaten to drive them to leave There's no reason why things couldn't go on as they are. The EU can't just insist on treaty change with a member state. Article 50 is reversible.
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Jun 25, 2017 08:37
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Pissflaps posted:There's no reason why things couldn't go on as they are. The EU can't just insist on treaty change with a member state. Article 50 is reversible. No major party wants to stay in the EU I'm aware the lib dems do, but they're not a major party.
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Jun 25, 2017 08:42
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tithin posted:No major party wants to stay in the EU I know, but that's because of our own political situation not because the EU would strong arm a penitent UK into joining the Euro.
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Jun 25, 2017 08:44
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My favourite concert I've been to so far was in a seated venue where everyone stayed respectfully seated throughout, but then dancing in public is just something i cannot get my brain to do so that's probably more of a statement about myself than any objective truth about live music. Still I will gladly lead the political movement for Acceptance of People Who Aren't Currently Dancing it's a key issue affecting the youth.Jose posted:lol You do realise this is a photoshop, right?
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Jun 25, 2017 08:51
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Angepain posted:My favourite concert I've been to so far was in a seated venue where everyone stayed respectfully seated throughout, but then dancing in public is just something i cannot get my brain to do so that's probably more of a statement about myself than any objective truth about live music. Still I will gladly lead the political movement for Acceptance of People Who Aren't Currently Dancing it's a key issue affecting the youth. i don't expect someone to pain fuk dup on themselves at glastonbury
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Jun 25, 2017 08:57
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I wouldn't expect someone to do that anywhere tbh.
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Jun 25, 2017 08:57
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Apparently that story about a Sun journo impersonating a Grenfell relative wasn't actually true: http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/sun-c...-get-interview/
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Jun 25, 2017 09:18
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Mister Adequate posted:OwlFancier is far too moderate on this topic. Live music is absolutely loving shite. I cannot understand why concerts are even a thing. You're in a hot venue surrounded by countless other people. That's bad enough to make them truly hellish to begin with, but not only that, the music itself is inferior, with imperfections and interfering other sounds and speakers not tuned properly and mic feedback and people not knowing how to use a mic or singing while out of breath or whatever, you have no control over what songs they actually play, you can't change what's being played if your mood changes, you probably have to listen to some talentless wasters opening for whoever you're actually there to see, you've got listen to stupid platitudes about "Wow it's so great to be here in [Town]!" and "Are we having a good time?" and "this next song is bla bla bla" just get loving on with it, and not only can nobody dance but you are expected to as well, despite not enjoying it and not being any good at it. And people voluntarily pay and travel to and from places to do all this, it's mental. If the venue is too hot, try taking your anorak off. Then stop describing poo poo gigs that never happened instead of good ones that did.
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Jun 25, 2017 09:22
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Lifeglug posted:From last night, but on the whole socially conscious hip hop thing, my favourite artist is probably P.O.S, anarchist rapper from Minnesota, one of the founders of hip hop co-op Doomtree. I've been listening to Chill, Dummy a lot recently and superdrone is definitely the best song on a very good album.
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Jun 25, 2017 09:32
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Zephro posted:Apparently that story about a Sun journo impersonating a Grenfell relative wasn't actually true: That reads more like the sun paid them off than didn't do anything wrong.
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Jun 25, 2017 09:47
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"We met privately with the hospital and they reconsidered their position"
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Jun 25, 2017 09:48
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I doubt very much it was just a payment, more likely payment and threat of a very large lawsuit.
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Jun 25, 2017 09:54
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If you don't start dancing at any point during a Mr Scruff set then you're not human
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Jun 25, 2017 09:56
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Thanks Ants posted:If you don't start dancing at any point during a Mr Scruff set then you're not human Hey that's the one whose song came free with Windows. Good for him. stev fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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Jun 25, 2017 09:58
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I want to know how some of you goons got to this place? Is it just crippling social anxiety? I would say live music events are way better than loads of other social situations for this.
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Jun 25, 2017 10:20
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Jippa posted:I want to know how some of you goons got to this place? Is it just crippling social anxiety? I would say live music events are way better than loads of other social situations for this. Yeah, I've always had a touch of crowd anxiety and I've loved the festivals I've been to. Sneak in tons of booze, drink too much of it, be generous with it with strangers, jump around and sing along to the songs you know, scream cheers so loud you lose your voice. Drugs can help too if that's something you're into (low level stims or molly ideally). If you need a moment cause it's getting too much, there's always a quiet corner somewhere you can go and stare at your phone for a bit.
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Jun 25, 2017 10:26
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Wouldn't kicking us out the EU if we decided to stay require unanimous consent of the other countries? And Ireland at the very least would be extremely relieved to not have to worry about the NI border. Given that EU states have said before that article 50 is revocable , if we then revoke it and they "hey, that's not allowed" they have some weasel words to go through, and it would probably go to the EU supreme Court.
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Jun 25, 2017 10:31
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nothing to seehere posted:Wouldn't kicking us out the EU if we decided to stay require unanimous consent of the other countries? And Ireland at the very least would be extremely relieved to not have to worry about the NI border. Given that EU states have said before that article 50 is revocable , if we then revoke it and they "hey, that's not allowed" they have some weasel words to go through, and it would probably go to the EU supreme Court. it's really legally ambiguous, iirc. if we had to formally ask for a revocation of A50 it would require unanimous consent, but A50 was never intended to be used and has never really been challenged in court, so it's not legally very strong. there could be the political will with some legal wrangling to extend the process indefinitely or some other procedural move to possibly defacto turn it off. neither are remotely likely, fwiw. CoolCab fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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Jun 25, 2017 10:37
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Stormzy is very good imo
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Jun 25, 2017 10:49
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Baron Corbyn posted:Stormzy is very good imo i'm the stereotypical bourgie
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Jun 25, 2017 10:51
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Pissflaps posted:There's no reason why things couldn't go on as they are. The EU can't just insist on treaty change with a member state. Article 50 is reversible. I suspect we can't return to the status quo if only because they're fed up of us being special snowflakes
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Jun 25, 2017 10:53
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I'm the people who think politics only happen once every 5 years instead of all the time and affecting everything around u
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Jun 25, 2017 10:58
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We can stay in the EU and join Schengen, Clacton can become an independent nation state led by Farage and Banks and as many fishing boats as they can fit along the coast.
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Jun 25, 2017 10:59
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Mister Adequate posted:OwlFancier is far too moderate on this topic. Live music is absolutely loving shite. I cannot understand why concerts are even a thing. You're in a hot venue surrounded by countless other people. That's bad enough to make them truly hellish to begin with, but not only that, the music itself is inferior, with imperfections and interfering other sounds and speakers not tuned properly and mic feedback and people not knowing how to use a mic or singing while out of breath or whatever, you have no control over what songs they actually play, you can't change what's being played if your mood changes, you probably have to listen to some talentless wasters opening for whoever you're actually there to see, you've got listen to stupid platitudes about "Wow it's so great to be here in [Town]!" and "Are we having a good time?" and "this next song is bla bla bla" just get loving on with it, and not only can nobody dance but you are expected to as well, despite not enjoying it and not being any good at it. And people voluntarily pay and travel to and from places to do all this, it's mental. Man, some of the best bands I've ever seen have been support groups. And if you don't care about the support band then gently caress it, turn up a bit later. Nobody is forcing you to be in the queue before doors open. And nobody expects you to dance, just don't go down the front. Find your ideal spot. When I was younger I'd like to be right down the front, now I prefer to hang in the back half of the venue (assuming it's a smaller one, which it probably is with who I'd go to see live, it's almost all metal shows) so I can be a bit away from the moshpit and have easy access to the bar. Also, "music is inferior with imperfections" oh wow that's bad. That is some bad opinion. And getting mad about the stage patter? Sake, it in total amounts to about 5 minutes over a 90 minute show. Your time ain't that precious and it's just filling up what would otherwise be awkward silence. You can't just jump immediately from Song A to Song B. Live music rules, and if you come out of a gig without a buzz then you've done it wrong.
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Jun 25, 2017 10:59
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As much as I would loving love for this whole Brexit madness to quietly go away, we have to accept reality - it's gonna happen, there's no stopping it at this point. The best possible outcome is a "soft" Brexit where we remain part of the single market (also give passporting to London so the finance industry doesn't up and leave) and we reach an actually reasonable agreement for EU nationals living here - for obvious reasons that is the second most important issue to me, the first being that the economy doesn't get destroyed.
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Jun 25, 2017 11:00
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live music (at least, in the large concert/festival form) is a form of communal worship. you get into a huge mob of people who love the same thing you do, and you then collectively get the experience of seeing your idols perform, just for all of you. this causes you collectively to lose your poo poo. also, you're all probably intoxicated somehow. it absolutely kicks some part of your lizard and/or monkey brain insanely hard and is very hard to articulate in words.
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Jun 25, 2017 11:04
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Also you can physically feel the music in a way that is not really possible outside of perhaps a studio
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