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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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forkboy84 posted:You can still go and enjoy it, you just have to say a dozen Hail Jeremys when you get home to atone for your sin. ^^^ strong +1. Royal Blood are great and I'm definitely looking forward to seeing them live. Their opinion on electronic music is objectively wrong  , but I'll still enjoy their show on its musical merit.
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Jun 25, 2017 12:58
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Jun 25, 2017 12:59
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Concerts and festivals are alright and all but nothing is as great as a floor show.
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Jun 25, 2017 13:03
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Barry Foster posted:In this hypothetical situation Labour shouldn't contest her seat purely on her obvious left wing credentials, imo If her credentials are so left wing she would join Labour.
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Jun 25, 2017 13:05
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Go ahead and show her how it's done then, flaps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHi6vR0U31A vvv So you're not left wing and won't join Labour then. Good to know. Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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Jun 25, 2017 13:08
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If I were an SNP member of parliament making a name for myself with supposed left wing credentials I would.
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Jun 25, 2017 13:10
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I mean if the DUP does end up abstaining she needs literally every one of her MPs on-side. That's a preposterously weak position to be in.
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Jun 25, 2017 13:11
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Having a drought in the UK just seems like we are doing it wrong. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/24/quarter-england-rivers-risk-running-dry-finds-wwf
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Jun 25, 2017 13:14
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All the big horse racing meets are loving grim outside of the posh enclosures. The people I know who do medical cover for them see more people getting glassed then at any other event they cover.
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Jun 25, 2017 13:16
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:All the big horse racing meets are loving grim outside of the posh enclosures. The people I know who do medical cover for them see more people getting glassed then at any other event they cover. Horse racing seems really boring so I suppose every one just starts drinking at midday.
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Jun 25, 2017 13:17
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I mean if the DUP does end up abstaining she needs literally every one of her MPs on-side. That's a preposterously weak position to be in. Isn't it wonderful?
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Jun 25, 2017 13:19
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crX4E-dul4Y This seems like an apt metaphor for Conservative - DUP negotiations.
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Jun 25, 2017 13:23
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Andrast posted:I don't really like concerts either. I mean, they are fine but also way down the list of stuff I like to do. This seems appropriate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkCSeMD_-5U
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Jun 25, 2017 13:25
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:All the big horse racing meets are loving grim outside of the posh enclosures. The people I know who do medical cover for them see more people getting glassed then at any other event they cover. https://twitter.com/Muqadaam/status/878923393252429824 useful information : tommeh doesn't seem to be able to throw a straight punch
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Jun 25, 2017 13:36
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Pissflaps posted:If her credentials are so left wing she would join Labour. I agree with Pissflaps. It's ridiculous that an MP who claims Tony Benn is her hero wouldn't join the party led by "Tony Benn's favourite MP".
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Jun 25, 2017 13:39
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:https://twitter.com/Muqadaam/status/878923393252429824 Has he actually been to prison yet? If not, soon right?
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Jun 25, 2017 13:41
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Baron Corbyn posted:I agree with Pissflaps. It's ridiculous that an MP who claims Tony Benn is her hero wouldn't join the party led by "Tony Benn's favourite MP". but the SNP despite being rather centrist was the most far left serious party she could join for the entire time of her teenage/adult until 18 months ago or whenever it was corbyn was surprise elected bro idk if you can blame her for that also why does it matter to have a labour seat there if the person there is clearly going to be a conscience voter most of the time and thinks tony benn is a hero
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Jun 25, 2017 13:54
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brian posted:
cause the SNP have ridiculously strict party discipline and almost literally never break the party whip at westminister or holyrood iirc. presumably they have a pretty loving robust enforcement behind the scenes.
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Jun 25, 2017 13:59
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Please can someone repost that whole article from behind the Wall of Murdoch?
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Jun 25, 2017 14:07
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Pochoclo posted:The only live concert I really want to see is Queen at Wembley 86 whenever they invent time machines For me, this plus Live Aid are two things I would use a time machine for. And I'm not a big concert goer
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Jun 25, 2017 14:08
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brian posted:also why does it matter to have a labour seat there if the person there is clearly going to be a conscience voter most of the time and thinks tony benn is a hero the SNP aren't allowed to vote according to their conscience. They have a very strict party whip.
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Jun 25, 2017 14:12
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brian posted:but the SNP despite being rather centrist was the most far left serious party she could join for the entire time of her teenage/adult until 18 months ago or whenever it was corbyn was surprise elected bro idk if you can blame her for that You're allowed to leave a party & join another. Even when you are an MP.
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Jun 25, 2017 14:19
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It's important to remember the local dimension too. She took the seat from an arch Blairite, and the very deprived constituency she represents evidently didn't feel like that strand of Labour had done much to improve things. I know a lot of Scots my age who grew up under Blair seeing Labour as the establishment and went SNP to vote for change. It's an issue ScotLab in particular really need to deal with, since they are now seen as offering nothing beyond "SNPBAD". And tbh, while I like Mhairi a lot, even further right Nats do like to co-opt Labour thinkers and campaigners of times past to bolster themselves (Mike Russell, looking at you)
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Jun 25, 2017 14:26
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Hammond is making his play: 
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Jun 25, 2017 14:27
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Steve2911 posted:Has he actually been to prison yet? If not, soon right? I think he has, but obviously learned nothing. Strangely enough, recently my YouTube feed has been loaded with him and Rees Mogg.
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Jun 25, 2017 14:29
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forkboy84 posted:You're allowed to leave a party & join another. Even when you are an MP. Doesnt that trigger a byelection though? And as an SNP MP, she would presumably get some punishment from nationalist voters for not being true to Scottyland? Its open to debate as to if that would unseat her or not though. Also Labour might decide to not field her as a candidate in that seat because Scotlab seem to be a bunch of idiots.
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Jun 25, 2017 14:30
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TheCrushinator posted:Doesnt that trigger a byelection though? And as an SNP MP, she would presumably get some punishment from nationalist voters for not being true to Scottyland? Its open to debate as to if that would unseat her or not though. Also Labour might decide to not field her as a candidate in that seat because Scotlab seem to be a bunch of idiots. No? MPs are elected as local reps, party affiliation is entirely secondary, constitutionally.
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Jun 25, 2017 14:33
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Nope: you election the individual, not the party. The two Tories who defected to UKIP called (and won) by-elections to prove their legitimacy, but it's not required.
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Jun 25, 2017 14:33
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Switching parties doesn't necessarily trigger a by-election but it is usually the done thing. Shaun Woodward, for example, didn't trigger one when he switched from the Tories to Labour and Blair moved him from his Tory safe seat in Witney and dropped him into a nice Labour safe seat in 2001.
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Jun 25, 2017 14:34
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I feel like there is at least one issue that Mhairi might disagree with Scottish Labour on, i.e. scottish independence, and I can definitely see ScotLab refusing to accept her based on that due to how much NO INDYREF EVER is a key part of their messaging that a sizable chunk of the party won't compromise without a fight even if a candidate is only in favour of it at some point rather than proposing a referendum Right Now. I imagine her overall goal at the moment is to move the SNP in a leftwards direction from the inside. If she was going to jump ship, which I doubt she will tbh, then she'd probably be more likely to join the Greens at this point, and she might have the name recognition to still keep the seat.
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Jun 25, 2017 14:37
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OwlFancier posted:No? MPs are elected as local reps, party affiliation is entirely secondary, constitutionally. nothing to seehere posted:Nope: you election the individual, not the party. The two Tories who defected to UKIP called (and won) by-elections to prove their legitimacy, but it's not required. Baron Corbyn posted:Switching parties doesn't necessarily trigger a by-election but it is usually the done thing. Shaun Woodward, for example, didn't trigger one when he switched from the Tories to Labour and Blair moved him from his Tory safe seat in Witney and dropped him into a nice Labour safe seat in 2001. Thanks! I see where my misunderstanding came from. Also from a really poorly remembered BBC show from about 20 years ago called Crossing the Floor (I think) which had as the name suggests this scenario and it triggered a byelection.
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Jun 25, 2017 14:38
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It is true that people like triggering byelections but it's definitely not required. Though I would say in a majority of situations an MP crossing the floor can expect to lose their seat next election.
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Jun 25, 2017 14:41
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Angepain posted:I feel like there is at least one issue that Mhairi might disagree with Scottish Labour on, i.e. scottish independence, and I can definitely see ScotLab refusing to accept her based on that due to how much NO INDYREF EVER is a key part of their messaging that a sizable chunk of the party won't compromise without a fight even if a candidate is only in favour of it at some point rather than proposing a referendum Right Now. I imagine her overall goal at the moment is to move the SNP in a leftwards direction from the inside. If she was going to jump ship, which I doubt she will tbh, then she'd probably be more likely to join the Greens at this point, and she might have the name recognition to still keep the seat. from her maiden speech where she talked about Tony Benn, she didn't come across as someone ideologically obsessed with the idea of independence for independence's sake like other SNP people but someone disillusioned with the state of Labour quote:I like many SNP members come from a traditional socialist Labour family and I have never been quiet in my assertion that I feel that it is the Labour party that left me, not the other way about. The SNP did not triumph on a wave of nationalism; in fact nationalism has nothing to do with what’s happened in Scotland. We triumphed on a wave of hope, hope that there was something different, something better to the Thatcherite neo-liberal policies that are produced from this chamber. Hope that representatives genuinely could give a voice to those who don’t have one. now, it's Labour that's offering that hope and the SNP aren't offering anything different to Thatcherite neo-liberal policies.
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Jun 25, 2017 14:45
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We'll see if that's backed by action, personally I doubt she'll change party.
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Jun 25, 2017 14:50
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Mhairi is really really big on independence and is one of the best speakers I've heard on the issue. I saw one of her first speeches during the indyref at an event a Labour pal of mine organised and she was incredible. A lot of newer and younger SNP folk are very much to the left of the party traditionally. I have a lot of SNP friends who have similar political opinions to myself, but think that independence is the first step towards a socialist Scotland.
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Jun 25, 2017 14:58
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Reading through the old UKMT OPs has been a really grim but fascinating summary of how things have gone to poo poo over this Tory government. Each post feels like it's the worst it could possibly get and then the next one gets even darker. There's so many lovely things that have happened in the last 5 years that I'd completely forgotten about.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:07
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Baron Corbyn posted:from her maiden speech where she talked about Tony Benn, she didn't come across as someone ideologically obsessed with the idea of independence for independence's sake like other SNP people but someone disillusioned with the state of Labour I get the impression that she's pretty disillusioned by the SNP as well. If it hadn't been for the snap election she had said she wasn't going to stand again.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:11
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Jedit posted:I get the impression that she's pretty disillusioned by the SNP as well. If it hadn't been for the snap election she had said she wasn't going to stand again. What I can find her saying about being an MP was about being disillusioned by politics in Westminster rather than about the SNP specifically, though of course if she had anything against them she wouldn't be saying it now.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:I went to every Reading bar one between 1996 and 2009, and saw three of my favourite live performances ever in The Prodigy 96, Rage Against The Machine '08 and Limp Bizkit in 2000. Yes, Limp loving Bizkit. The worst was the Red Hot Chili Peppers in 2007, which saw easily 33% to 50% of the crowd gently caress off before they'd done an hour, they were just really, really bad Did you throw piss bombs at daphne And celeste?
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