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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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OwlFancier posted:We'll see if that's backed by action, personally I doubt she'll change party. Having changed allegiance recently after being very involved in the last lot it's a very strange thing to do. A bit like changing football team. A bunch of your mates still play there. Edit: On this day in 2002 I'm sure someone somewhere was eating a tasty sausage at exactly this time.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:23
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Darth Walrus posted:Hammond is making his play: I see Hammond and Davidson as the only Tory candidates that might have some success in gaining leadership. Tories are incredibly incompetent on average, so it's not like it's a high bar
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Jun 25, 2017 15:24
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Pochoclo posted:I see Hammond and Davidson as the only Tory candidates that might have some success in gaining leadership. Tories are incredibly incompetent on average, so it's not like it's a high bar Damien Green might be able to do some damage as well.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:26
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Gradis posted:Did you throw piss bombs at daphne And celeste? funny story. We left our tents to try and watch the mauling about 30 minutes before they were due to start. The queue to get into the arena that day was loving enormous, and we joined the back about 20 minutes before they were due on and missed them by about 10 minutes. I was a little to close to the front when 50 Cent got absolutely pelted and had to leave the pit after 10 minutes or so, not because I was getting covered in gently caress knows what, but people were legitimately raging and it was becoming an extremely dangerous situation
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Jun 25, 2017 15:28
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It was extremely bad that 50 cent got bottled off imo.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:30
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Baron Corbyn posted:from her maiden speech where she talked about Tony Benn, she didn't come across as someone ideologically obsessed with the idea of independence for independence's sake like other SNP people but someone disillusioned with the state of Labour Nah, during her Owen Jones interview she said if given the choice between Scottish independence or socialism in the UK she'd go for Scottish independence. She's a nationalist first and foremost, and nothing wrong with that, but definitely unlikely she'd cross the floor. And definitely still a legitimate target for Corbyn Labour.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:31
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Mister Adequate posted:Perhaps we would all indeed be better off if takes this hot were kept from public consumption. clearly you've never been to a jazz show in a decent well air conditioned venue, sitting at a table with absolute professionals playing on a well set up sound system.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:32
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Mister Adequate posted:
I'd always been sceptical but when I went to a live concert for a band I really liked it was the overall atmosphere that really sealed it. I agree that live performances played back on recording are a bit rear end and generally get annoyed if they're included on a CD, but I think it's worth appreciating that the music is only one part of the experience when you go to a live venue.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:42
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The imperfections in the music make live performances great. You can hear your favourite songs being played and the band gets to try new things. Sometimes there's improvisation, sometimes there are new solos, sometimes they just do a poo poo job playing it. What I hate is when they play a note for note version of a song and it sounds identical to what I have on my phone already.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:44
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Kurtofan posted:mhairi black kind of looks like a girl i dated, face wise lol oh dear, goondolences
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Jun 25, 2017 15:44
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Mhari black latched onto a cause as an angry teenager and now is abit bored of it but unfortunately for her she ended up elected and can't move onto to slash fiction, deviant art or whatever her next phase was going to involve
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Jun 25, 2017 15:45
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Angepain posted:What I can find her saying about being an MP was about being disillusioned by politics in Westminster rather than about the SNP specifically, though of course if she had anything against them she wouldn't be saying it now. That was my impression also. I do think she'd be a better ideological fit for Labour now, but I imagine swapping parties is a delicate and risky thing and in 2015 and before there was plenty of reason for someone on the left in Scotland to prefer the SNP. Her majority took a blow this election and if Labour stood a solidly socialist candidate against her they'd likely do well. Paisley is a very deprived area and one of the more left wing parts of the country going by vote share, and was overall No for independence so unionist Scotlab aren't as toxic as they could be. But at the same time there's a strong sense of local identity and Renfrewshire was overwhelmingly Remain, so I imagine pro-Brexit Labour that still doesn't really pay much attention to Scotland even with Corbyn still has a bit of work to do.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:47
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Steve2911 posted:The imperfections in the music make live performances great. You can hear your favourite songs being played and the band gets to try new things. Sometimes there's improvisation, sometimes there are new solos, sometimes they just do a poo poo job playing it. What I hate is when they play a note for note version of a song and it sounds identical to what I have on my phone already. at the other end of that spectrum, you do what the Foo Fighters did last night and spin every song out to double it's length to the point it becomes tedious
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Jun 25, 2017 15:47
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mediadave posted:Nah, during her Owen Jones interview she said if given the choice between Scottish independence or socialism in the UK she'd go for Scottish independence. She's a nationalist first and foremost, and nothing wrong with that, but definitely unlikely she'd cross the floor. And definitely still a legitimate target for Corbyn Labour. in that case, then yeah, Labour should try its best to get her out of parliament. And imo there is something wrong with that. To say that you'd rather maybe help a few million people with Scottish independence than help tens of millions in the UK with socialism is bad and wrong.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:52
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big scary monsters posted:That was my impression also. I do think she'd be a better ideological fit for Labour now, but I imagine swapping parties is a delicate and risky thing and in 2015 and before there was plenty of reason for someone on the left in Scotland to prefer the SNP. Her majority took a blow this election and if Labour stood a solidly socialist candidate against her they'd likely do well. Paisley is a very deprived area and one of the more left wing parts of the country going by vote share, and was overall No for independence so unionist Scotlab aren't as toxic as they could be. But at the same time there's a strong sense of local identity and Renfrewshire was overwhelmingly Remain, so I imagine pro-Brexit Labour that still doesn't really pay much attention to Scotland even with Corbyn still has a bit of work to do. Does Corbyn have a ton of agency about that, though? Scottish Labour is effectively devolved as I understand it. A lot of Scottish people are going to have to join Labour and try to reform their power structures to get people like Dugdale out.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:52
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Steve2911 posted:What I hate is when they play a note for note version of a song and it sounds identical to what I have on my phone already. Yeah, I love live music and bands that play a note perfect version of their studio recordings are generally boring in my experience. It seems to me they generally play less interactive shows, no speaking with the audience, no "here's a new thing we're trying", no stage presence at all. You might as well have poured a beer on the carpet at home, turned the heating up and stood in the squelchy patch with your eyes shut, listening to their CD. At the same time really good live shows have probably been some of the most ecstatic, memorable experiences of my life. With the right band, crowd and atmosphere they are an incredible thing. And even when they're not some transcendental pseudoreligious experience you can have a lot of fun just screaming and dancing and going slightly deaf (please wear earplugs). e: ^^ I don't know how much Corbyn can do really, as you say Scottish Labour is not quite the same thing as Labour and I doubt he wants to go undermining the regional party by making pronouncements on Scotland that go against Dugdale's line. It's a good thing that he's been visiting Scotland and holding speeches and rallies there so that Westminster maybe doesn't feel quite so remote as usual, but as you say I think that Scotlab itself is going to need reform if Labour are going to regain anything like their historical presence. big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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Jun 25, 2017 15:57
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GlyphGryph posted:Concerts and festivals are alright and all but nothing is as great as a floor show. Those are the things you find in the seedier bits of Asia where women do things you'd have assumed were impossible with their vaginas, right?
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Jun 25, 2017 15:57
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Gradis posted:Did you throw piss bombs at daphne And celeste? I was there for that and I gained infinite amounts of respect for Daphne and Celeste for not only turning up to what was going to be an absolute shitshow, but actually performing a couple of songs.
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Jun 25, 2017 16:14
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Live events are amazing, and I'm saying this as a hyper-dork with a computer science PhD. I've spent 18 years now listening to and DJing electronic dance music and without exception the most memorable nights of my life have been either playing live or attending live events. Dance music is made for giant club soundsystems, hearing it in your headphones isn't the same no matter how good they are. Particularly with techno, I feel an intensity in those drums and percussion lines that just puts me in a different universe when I hear it on a big system.
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Jun 25, 2017 16:21
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ookiimarukochan posted:Those are the things you find in the seedier bits of Asia where women do things you'd have assumed were impossible with their vaginas, right? Nah, its when there is no stage and the audience and band both are on the same floor, usually with the musicians interacting with and mingling directly with the audience during their set.
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Jun 25, 2017 16:23
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Acaila posted:Mhairi is really really big on independence and is one of the best speakers I've heard on the issue. I saw one of her first speeches during the indyref at an event a Labour pal of mine organised and she was incredible. A lot of newer and younger SNP folk are very much to the left of the party traditionally. I have a lot of SNP friends who have similar political opinions to myself, but think that independence is the first step towards a socialist Scotland. Eh. There's been a strong left wing voice in the SNP for literally decades now. Like, Alex Salmond, Kenny MacAskill & some other current big hitters in the party were expelled in the early '80s by Gordon Wilson (fitting to be talking about him today with him having just died). It didn't amount to poo poo, even after they all came back. Sure, they wore Labours clothes but they've gone no further than that. It bewilders me that people can look at 10 years now of the SNP in government, with supposedly centre-left leaders in Salmond & Sturgeon, & convince themselves that poo poo would somehow change post-independence. They'll continue being firmly opposed to anything radical.
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Jun 25, 2017 16:23
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Re: music shows In theory id love em In practice i have a hard time picking out sounds over volume, my ears start to hurt even when they havent notched up to 11, and Im painfully aware of how awkward I am so I cant 'trance out' even after a good measure of inebriation.
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Jun 25, 2017 16:34
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Re: music shows A half decent set of plugs will help a lot, they cut out the painful part of the sound and a great deal of the noise. Not only can you leave the show with your hearing intact, but you can actually pick out the melody much better over the crowd and feedback buzz. Try the Etymotic ER-20s - they're pretty cheap and I've been very happy with a couple successive pairs.
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Jun 25, 2017 16:38
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The bass from dance music needs to be felt in your chest, if your rib cage isn't vibrating its not good enough.
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Jun 25, 2017 16:50
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needs to be making your nose bridge vibrate imho
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Jun 25, 2017 16:54
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:Mhari black latched onto a cause as an angry teenager and now is abit bored of it but unfortunately for her she ended up elected and can't move onto to slash fiction, deviant art or whatever her next phase was going to involve this makes a lot of money and should set her up for whatever she wants after tbf
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Jun 25, 2017 17:00
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Angepain posted:I feel like there is at least one issue that Mhairi might disagree with Scottish Labour on, i.e. scottish independence, and I can definitely see ScotLab refusing to accept her based on that due to how much NO INDYREF EVER is a key part of their messaging that a sizable chunk of the party won't compromise without a fight even if a candidate is only in favour of it at some point rather than proposing a referendum Right Now. I imagine her overall goal at the moment is to move the SNP in a leftwards direction from the inside. If she was going to jump ship, which I doubt she will tbh, then she'd probably be more likely to join the Greens at this point, and she might have the name recognition to still keep the seat. What about the Scottish Socialist party? Or are they too far left?
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Jun 25, 2017 17:05
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I'm going to reiterate forkboy's recommendation of seeing Sunn O))) live at least once. If your eyeballs aren't shaking in their sockets and you can't feel the air thickly vibrating with each laboured breath then you're at a show for small babbies.
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Jun 25, 2017 17:08
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big scary monsters posted:I'm going to reiterate forkboy's recommendation of seeing Sunn O))) live at least once. If your eyeballs aren't shaking in their sockets and you can't feel the air thickly vibrating with each laboured breath then you're at a show for small babbies. are they only half jewish?
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Jun 25, 2017 17:12
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Jose posted:this makes a lot of money and should set her up for whatever she wants after tbf Your first job? Member of Parliament for Paisley and Renfrewshire South Yeah seems like that would go over fairly well
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Jun 25, 2017 17:16
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Private Speech posted:Your first job? it also provides her loads of time to actually think about the next job
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Jun 25, 2017 17:20
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big scary monsters posted:I'm going to reiterate forkboy's recommendation of seeing Sunn O))) live at least once. If your eyeballs aren't shaking in their sockets and you can't feel the air thickly vibrating with each laboured breath then you're at a show for small babbies. Just looked at this and gently caress me.
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Jun 25, 2017 17:20
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I guess that's probably the other reason I don't like a lot of live music because I don't like loud noises. The RAF were dicking about over ullswater when I was there and I nearly fell out of my boat.
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Jun 25, 2017 17:22
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JFairfax posted:are they only half jewish? lol
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Jun 25, 2017 17:25
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Another vote for seeing Sunn O))) live. Of the four times I've seen them live, every one has been utterly amazing and made my organs rattle around inside my torso. Ear plugs aren't so much recommended as required to stop your brain from leaking out of your ears. The magic of live music. Some of ny other favourate live moments include watching Dream Theater's over the top wanking. Or my mates' thrash band, in some pub back room, too pissed to play in time and just going extra fast to make up for it.
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Jun 25, 2017 17:38
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Jose posted:it also provides her loads of time to actually think about the next job Is there a different pension/redundancy package if you lose your seat as opposed to stepping down?
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Jun 25, 2017 17:38
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chippocrates posted:Is there a different pension/redundancy package if you lose your seat as opposed to stepping down? Yup. It's quite good if you lose your seat. Not sure about if you resign but I gather it's less good if it exists at all
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Jun 25, 2017 17:43
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Jippa posted:I want to know how some of you goons got to this place? Is it just crippling social anxiety? I would say live music events are way better than loads of other social situations for this. I do have crippling social anxiety but I've always hated live music. Kid, teenager, young adult, all before my anxiety got real bad, always hated every show I went to/was dragged to. I got to this place because I have my head on right. forkboy84 posted:Man, some of the best bands I've ever seen have been support groups. And if you don't care about the support band then gently caress it, turn up a bit later. Nobody is forcing you to be in the queue before doors open. And nobody expects you to dance, just don't go down the front. Find your ideal spot. When I was younger I'd like to be right down the front, now I prefer to hang in the back half of the venue (assuming it's a smaller one, which it probably is with who I'd go to see live, it's almost all metal shows) so I can be a bit away from the moshpit and have easy access to the bar. Also, "music is inferior with imperfections" oh wow that's bad. That is some bad opinion. And getting mad about the stage patter? Sake, it in total amounts to about 5 minutes over a 90 minute show. Your time ain't that precious and it's just filling up what would otherwise be awkward silence. You can't just jump immediately from Song A to Song B. Yes. This is all my point. The fact that live shows by their nature mean these things are inevitable or impossible is what I said to begin with, and is the very reason live shows are poo poo. If I'm on Spotify then it can jump from Song A to Song B, for example, so why the gently caress would I want a situation that can't?
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Jun 25, 2017 17:45
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Mister Adequate posted:
Because then you don't get to see Fat Mike go down into the audience and punch out some mother fucker for being an idiot. Spotify doesn't do that poo poo.
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Mister Adequate posted:I do have crippling social anxiety but I've always hated live music. Kid, teenager, young adult, all before my anxiety got real bad, always hated every show I went to/was dragged to. I got to this place because I have my head on right. 
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