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This speech from Picard about technological advancement is awesome.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Did any of the actors wear corsets or were they all just good and slim for Starfleet uniforms? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik_HA5m7Gps&t=176s
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Jun 26, 2017 04:27
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"My people once lived in caves."
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Jun 26, 2017 04:27
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Weren't people executed for atheism in ancient Greece?
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Jun 26, 2017 04:27
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I wonder if Picard's gonna fake his own death to demonstrate he's not a god. That's what I'd do.
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Jun 26, 2017 04:30
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Oh poo poo he's showing her one of the anthros dying instead.
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Jun 26, 2017 04:32
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Jeb! Repetition posted:The subtitle thing is still happening. Isn't that pretty standard though? Not that I watch much TV with subtitles, but I've noticed that too and I always figured that it was to not fill up the screen with text.
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Jun 26, 2017 04:33
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A whole lot of stuff about mortality and how it's what people in the Federation still share with ancient civilizations but come on, let's be real, if humans are still around in the 24th century we're sure as hell gonna have biomedical immortality.
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Jun 26, 2017 04:34
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Isn't that pretty standard though? Not that I watch much TV with subtitles, but I've noticed that too and I always figured that it was to not fill up the screen with text. I figured the subtitles are the script and onscreen is LeVar adding a bit extra.
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Jun 26, 2017 04:36
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Episode over. So far, that was the prime directive episode. It was completely direct and made a compelling case for why the directive exists.
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Jun 26, 2017 04:42
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Jeb! Repetition posted:A whole lot of stuff about mortality and how it's what people in the Federation still share with ancient civilizations but come on, let's be real, if humans are still around in the 24th century we're sure as hell gonna have biomedical immortality. While yes, odds are good we'll eventually overcome mortality as a species, stories about immortal cybernetic meta-consciousness'es flying around in fully automated starships run by hyper-competent AIs only work when you tell the story from the point of view of someone who's not one of those things.
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Jun 26, 2017 04:47
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I wonder if anyone involved intended the Picard-as-God stuff to be satire of fans treating Star Trek like a religion.8one6 posted:While yes, odds are good we'll eventually overcome mortality as a species, stories about immortal cybernetic meta-consciousness'es flying around in fully automated starships run by hyper-competent AIs only work when you tell the story from the point of view of someone who's not one of those things. I don't even mean that kind of true immortality, just biological mortality where folks don't age. But I guess, unless it's a kid's story, usually the immortality itself is the main focus when it's like that. And mortality is a romantic thing and part of our collective experience so I fully understand why Star Trek went this way even if they knew it was unrealistic. Jewel Repetition fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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Jun 26, 2017 04:53
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Episode over. So far, that was the prime directive episode. It was completely direct and made a compelling case for why the directive exists. Yeah it's pretty good and has a lot of great memorable moments. Plus, as you said, The Picard.
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Jun 26, 2017 04:54
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Episode over. So far, that was the prime directive episode. It was completely direct and made a compelling case for why the directive exists. I think it was weird that after she accepted he wasn't a god, a scene later she was back on the God train. It was a strange flow.
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Jun 26, 2017 04:57
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Zesty posted:I think it was weird that after she accepted he wasn't a god, a scene later she was back on the God train. It was a strange flow. Yeah that was jarring, it really seemed like she was getting it during the Picard's speech. I guess they just needed to fill time or really wanted the scene where she sees humans could die and wouldn't have a reason if she was already redpilled.
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Jun 26, 2017 05:00
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8one6 posted:I feel like I need to defend O'Brien, because he transferred to the job of Transporter Chief. The Ent-D had 20 transporter rooms (I'm not sure if that counted the cargo transporters). Even if you assume half of them aren't in operation at any given time that' still three shifts for 10 rooms for 7 days a week. O'Brien was in charge of at least 80 people. TNG's budget being what it is all of those people were always on special assignment in cetacean ops when the episodes were filming. I bet it would be boring though. 8 or 12 hour shifts every day just to push a couple of buttons to zip someone somewhere. It's not even like it's a starbase and he constantly does stuff. I'm sure there are weeks where not much happens because they are constantly in transit somewhere. There's not even a chair for him to kick back and relax on.
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Jun 26, 2017 05:09
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Jeb! Repetition posted:This speech from Picard about technological advancement is awesome. I love how he says "A bigger hut, a better bow"
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Jun 26, 2017 05:16
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Nullsmack posted:I bet it would be boring though. 8 or 12 hour shifts every day just to push a couple of buttons to zip someone somewhere. It's not even like it's a starbase and he constantly does stuff. I'm sure there are weeks where not much happens because they are constantly in transit somewhere. There's not even a chair for him to kick back and relax on. Honestly the missing chair is the worst part of the whole thing.
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Jun 26, 2017 05:17
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Nullsmack posted:I bet it would be boring though. 8 or 12 hour shifts every day just to push a couple of buttons to zip someone somewhere. It's not even like it's a starbase and he constantly does stuff. I'm sure there are weeks where not much happens because they are constantly in transit somewhere. There's not even a chair for him to kick back and relax on. I've always assumed that they were also doing things like maintaining the transporter systems as well, but yeah, as presented it's got to be the most boring job in starfleet.
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Jun 26, 2017 05:31
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Yeah that was jarring, it really seemed like she was getting it during the Picard's speech. I guess they just needed to fill time or really wanted the scene where she sees humans could die and wouldn't have a reason if she was already redpilled. Also could have just been how the episode got edited after everything was shot.
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Jun 26, 2017 05:39
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MikeJF posted:Counterpoint: Who Watches the Watchers is great and one of the best Prime Directive episodes. Riposte Counterpoint: No it isn't, and the Prime Directive is the worst thing about TNG-onward.
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Jun 26, 2017 05:44
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8one6 posted:I've always assumed that they were also doing things like maintaining the transporter systems as well, but yeah, as presented it's got to be the most boring job in starfleet. He was skilled enough to be the Chief Engineer on board of a space station and could do damned near anything. I just assume he was doing usual engineering stuff around the ship for the hotshot officers in Engineering.
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Jun 26, 2017 05:52
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MikeJF posted:I figured the subtitles are the script and onscreen is LeVar adding a bit extra. I hadn't considered that, but that's a good point. A bit of Googling suggests that the reasons why subs don't always match the dialogue is probably a mix of both our ideas, plus timing considerations, i.e. if someone's talking fast that there is not too much to read before the next line. Of course, there's always the possibility that the subtitler is just poo poo at their job as well. dont even fink about it posted:Riposte Counterpoint: No it isn't, and the Prime Directive is the worst thing about TNG-onward. The Prime Directive is fine, it's just the way it was treated was pretty terrible, especially in Voyager.
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Jun 26, 2017 06:51
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Kibayasu posted:After seeing that final side-by-side the time cops probably should have given him a letter of reprimand for stuffing that blue shirt lieutenant in a locker because how else would he have gotten her notepad. Arglebargle III posted:Weren't people executed for atheism in ancient Greece?
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Jun 26, 2017 07:27
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Had to take a break but I'm watching again. Wesley just said "gigabytes of computer memory," in awe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSHUIEDBbl4
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Jun 26, 2017 09:29
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Knormal posted:There was no single "ancient Greece", just a bunch of city-states that shared a common culture. Lmao
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Jun 26, 2017 12:48
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He is in principle correct though. Greece was not politically unified until the Macedonian kings, and where there's political disunity there will be a variety of cultures and religious mores. Atheism was a theme in Greek philosophy from an early date (Democritus was preaching materialism in the 5th century, Heraclitus while definitely not materialistic disavowed gods in favor of an elemental animating principle even earlier) and most Sophists and all Epicureans were atheistic as a matter of course. Obviously the vast majority of people continued to practice religion and in some places it was a capital crime to blaspheme, which is what they got Socrates for, but there was definitely local variation -- the Athenians seem to have been particularly tetchy about anyone criticizing the state cults.
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Jun 26, 2017 13:00
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skasion posted:He is in principle correct though. Greece was not politically unified until the Macedonian kings, and where there's political disunity there will be a variety of cultures and religious mores. Atheism was a theme in Greek philosophy from an early date (Democritus was preaching materialism in the 5th century, Heraclitus while definitely not materialistic disavowed gods in favor of an elemental animating principle even earlier) and most Sophists and all Epicureans were atheistic as a matter of course. Obviously the vast majority of people continued to practice religion and in some places it was a capital crime to blaspheme, which is what they got Socrates for, but there was definitely local variation -- the Athenians seem to have been particularly tetchy about anyone criticizing the state cults. And those goddamn dirty horsefucking hillfolk Macedonians aren't even real Greeks! ~Demosthenes
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Jun 26, 2017 15:14
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I just rewatched Hard Time last night and it's incredibly messed up that they implanted a memory of killing a dude into O'Brien
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Jun 26, 2017 15:31
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hiddenriverninja posted:I just rewatched Hard Time last night and it's incredibly messed up that they implanted a memory of killing a dude into O'Brien The entire thing is so hosed, but that's the point, by the time you're ready to argue about how hosed it is, it's already been done! Justice must be swift.
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Jun 26, 2017 15:35
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A bunch of clickbaity articles this morning about how Discovery is going against Gene's vision because there will be  interpersonal conflict between Starfleet officers
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Jun 26, 2017 15:55
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The Bloop posted:there will be But technological progress solved all that!
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Jun 26, 2017 15:58
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The Bloop posted:A bunch of clickbaity articles this morning about how Discovery is going against Gene's vision because there will be Maybe there is hope for it, then.
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Jun 26, 2017 16:03
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The Bloop posted:A bunch of clickbaity articles this morning about how Discovery is going against Gene's vision because there will be What bothers me is that's clearly come from people who haven't really seen the show because there was always conflict. And also, tons of people are reading it that 'everyone will hate everyone else'. 
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Jun 26, 2017 16:10
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The_Doctor posted:What bothers me is that's clearly come from people who haven't really seen the show because there was always conflict. And also, tons of people are reading it that 'everyone will hate everyone else'. Doctor, thanks for the Toddy McDoyle FB thingy. Cheers me all the way up, wha?
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Jun 26, 2017 16:17
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We'll settle this like civilized people from the future. On the Anbo-jyutsu mat!
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Jun 26, 2017 16:19
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The_Doctor posted:What bothers me is that's clearly come from people who haven't really seen the show because there was always conflict. And also, tons of people are reading it that 'everyone will hate everyone else'. I mean even watch classics like Balance of Terror from TOS. The Winifred Madgers fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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Jun 26, 2017 16:20
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That whole no inter crew conflict thing was more of a late stage Roddenberry directive for Next Gen, and it was pretty much adhered to in that show. But it was pretty much just that show.
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Jun 26, 2017 16:24
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remusclaw posted:That whole no inter crew conflict thing was more of a late stage Roddenberry directive for Next Gen, and it was pretty much adhered to in that show. But it was pretty much just that show. Yea, it's the bad era of TNG where they're trying to stick to "Gene's vision" then he died and whoops suddenly it got a lot better, hey look at that. Jellico/Shelby would not have been allowed were Gene still alive and in control.
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Ensign Ro: *is angry at everyone*
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Jun 26, 2017 16:30
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